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Sabrblade wrote:Genders =/= sexes.
Super robot lifeforms (or autonomous robotic organisms) don't have sexes, but they do have genders.
gothsaurus wrote:I'm guessing he's getting at the notion these bots can visibly look like a girl/guy without actually having reproductive parts.
As for me, I think this is one topic to just smile and accept, knowing this all started with a kids' cartoon. Trying to pick this one apart is like unmasking Vader to find a pubescent whiny kid. Best to leave this one to mystery.![]()
Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:So uh, yeah I don't know a thing about Japanese culture. So saying that I'm ignorant because of that, well it's mostly true! I'm ignorant to the majority of Japanese culture so I have no idea what a Kabuki is. The only reason I know what a Gesha is is because my sister wouldn't shut up about Memoirs of a Geisha for about two years. The only other thing I know is some of the anime that has robots in it, and Akira.
I was more interested in Scandinavian and Native American culture. The only reason I see for the decision to make Windblade look like... THAT, is because it's Japanese-ish, and kids love Japanese things these days.
Her name works on many levels: "Wind Blade" is a real variety of industrial fan blade; she turns into a jet with VTOL turbofans; Hasbro designers had said they envisioned her coursing more energy into her sword blade through a spinning turbine fan in the hilt; She has a tessen, or iron fan; and, of course, she was the fans' choice character.
Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:So uh, yeah I don't know a thing about Japanese culture. So saying that I'm ignorant because of that, well it's mostly true! I'm ignorant to the majority of Japanese culture so I have no idea what a Kabuki is. The only reason I know what a Gesha is is because my sister wouldn't shut up about Memoirs of a Geisha for about two years. The only other thing I know is some of the anime that has robots in it, and Akira.
I was more interested in Scandinavian and Native American culture. The only reason I see for the decision to make Windblade look like... THAT, is because it's Japanese-ish, and kids love Japanese things these days.
Sex is a biological attribute, while gender is a cultural attribute. The two are related but are not 100% synonymous.shockblast2 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Genders =/= sexes.
Super robot lifeforms (or autonomous robotic organisms) don't have sexes, but they do have genders.
O.......k......
You want to explain the difference? I must have been ditching class the day they explained it in sex ed.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
shockblast2 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Genders =/= sexes.
Super robot lifeforms (or autonomous robotic organisms) don't have sexes, but they do have genders.
O.......k......
You want to explain the difference? I must have been ditching class the day they explained it in sex ed.
gothsaurus wrote:Okay, one is a stage actor... one is a high-class escort girl.
I hate that we know so little about other cultures, history...well, and current affairs, too. I have to redouble my efforts to get a decent look around.
gothsaurus wrote:Okay, one is a stage actor... one is a high-class escort girl.
Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:So uh, yeah I don't know a thing about Japanese culture. So saying that I'm ignorant because of that, well it's mostly true! I'm ignorant to the majority of Japanese culture so I have no idea what a Kabuki is. The only reason I know what a Gesha is is because my sister wouldn't shut up about Memoirs of a Geisha for about two years. The only other thing I know is some of the anime that has robots in it, and Akira.
I was more interested in Scandinavian and Native American culture. The only reason I see for the decision to make Windblade look like... THAT, is because it's Japanese-ish, and kids love Japanese things these days.
william-james88 wrote:Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:So uh, yeah I don't know a thing about Japanese culture. So saying that I'm ignorant because of that, well it's mostly true! I'm ignorant to the majority of Japanese culture so I have no idea what a Kabuki is. The only reason I know what a Gesha is is because my sister wouldn't shut up about Memoirs of a Geisha for about two years. The only other thing I know is some of the anime that has robots in it, and Akira.
I was more interested in Scandinavian and Native American culture. The only reason I see for the decision to make Windblade look like... THAT, is because it's Japanese-ish, and kids love Japanese things these days.
If you like Native American culture, I know a TF that is right up your alley:
Sabreback!
Delta Magnus wrote:Ah, Sabreback. Owner of the oh-so-wonderful Triffid Mode.
william-james88 wrote:Delta Magnus wrote:Ah, Sabreback. Owner of the oh-so-wonderful Triffid Mode.
Care to illuminate the matter?
Sabrblade wrote:Sex is a biological attribute, while gender is a cultural attribute. The two are related but are not 100% synonymous.shockblast2 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Genders =/= sexes.
Super robot lifeforms (or autonomous robotic organisms) don't have sexes, but they do have genders.
O.......k......
You want to explain the difference? I must have been ditching class the day they explained it in sex ed.
In the case of the Transformers, in the broadest, most generalizing manner speaking (as there are specifics that may very well contradict what I'm about to say, but I wish to point out that I'm not speaking of all cases and only of the most unspecific viewpoint there is), the Transformers do not have sexes, but do have genders.
Think of it this way, Barbie and Ken dolls are not biologically female and male (being artificially made inanimate objects), and thus have no sexes. BUT, they are culturally viewed as representing the female and male sexes, and thus are considered to have genders of their own (even in all their plastic glory).
And are you any official authority who has legitimate say on the matter?shockblast2 wrote:"Sex is a biological attribute, while gender is a cultural attribute. The two are related but are not 100% synonymous."
What are you basing this on, because to me they are one in the same?
No, she has sculpted plastic that is molded into a shape that serves only to emulate the physical appearance of breasts in terms of aesthetics only. The plastic itself serves no functional purposes beyond those pertaining to structure and visual imitation through artificial means.shockblast2 wrote:Your example of Ken and Barbie fails when you think of the fact that Barbie has boobs.
Not in the real world sense that I was speaking of, unless you sincerely believe that Mattel's plastic dolls have all the biological functions that flesh and blood organisms do.shockblast2 wrote:And you are comparing apples to oranges. Ken and Barbie are also human beings that would have a sex
If you truly knew the fiction, you'd know that Windblade exists in a post-war setting, and that she originated from a Cybertronian colony planet that had largely been isolated from warfare. Ergo, she's not built for combat. She's a civilian.shockblast2 wrote:Therefore they would have no use in combat with a fragile form vs a strong one, save for recon.
For Earthlings, yes. But is this a universal truth for all extra-terrestrial lifeforms in existence? Not all aliens conform to the same bodily functions of us humans, and it is arrogant for us to always think so.shockblast2 wrote:And that would be fine, except for the fact that they have boobs! And just what are boobs for? Feeding the offspring of one who reproduces.
Sure, because it's the female audiences who are predominately attracted to boobs.shockblast2 wrote:Now, you can see why it is silly, and is nothing more than a marketing ploy to attract females to a male dominated brand.
Sure doesn't look like any Earth model jet I've ever seen.shockblast2 wrote:And that doesn't even touch the fact that Windblade has never been to earth to copy the form to begin with!
No prob, Bob.shockblast2 wrote:Thanks for the input though Sabre as I get what you were trying to say.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
For Earthlings, yes. But is this a universal truth for all extra-terrestrial lifeforms in existence? Not all aliens conform to the same bodily functions of us humans, and it is arrogant for us to always think so.shockblast2 wrote:And that would be fine, except for the fact that they have boobs! And just what are boobs for? Feeding the offspring of one who reproduces.
shockblast2 wrote:For Earthlings, yes. But is this a universal truth for all extra-terrestrial lifeforms in existence? Not all aliens conform to the same bodily functions of us humans, and it is arrogant for us to always think so.shockblast2 wrote:And that would be fine, except for the fact that they have boobs! And just what are boobs for? Feeding the offspring of one who reproduces.
You do know aliens do not exist, right? So you have no basis of comparison in which to make this statement......lol. Unless you are basing this on every sci fi movie you have ever seen, to which there is no standard because it changes depending on the writer of the fiction. Either or, it is a silly statement to make.
And your comment about sex vs gender, again, does NOT apply to a race of alien robots! Why? because they are alien robots that do not reproduce and both sex and gender are based on the fact that we do have a difference because of reproduction.
Windblade's civilian origins are irrelevant as most autobots were not war machines either. Still doesn't explain why a fragile robot who is not built for combat would have a sword as its weapon.
Delta Magnus wrote:Also, Shockblast, I find it amusing that your signiature declares you president of the Anti-Nerdrage Coalition (whatever the slag that is)...and yet here you are, nerdraging about the big bad writers getting yucky girly bits in your big boy's robot franchise.
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