Fans Reporting "Fungal Growth" on Amazon Exclusive Nacelle Figure

Bumblevivisector wrote:But seriously, this is more disturbing than real life instances of MISP Cosmic Rust infections. We eventually got another MP Megatron, but in MW Starscream's case, it seemed like some some sort of curse the mold suffered for trying to escape Skyquake's GPS.

Not sure how this makes me feel about falling behind on a lot of online exclusives lately. If this is from improper storage somehow related to Amazon's ------ TF exclusive distribution, maybe this will be the straw that breaks the Carbombian camel's back and gets Hasbro to stop giving them so many.

Here's hoping Nacelle isn't just patient zero in what does turn out to be a toy-demic.

Bounti76 wrote:None on mine, thankfully. It does make me a rich leery about ordering another one to keep MISB, though.

Sabrblade wrote:Well, this is one way to give us a new kind of Seeker mold.

It's not mold! It's release fluid they use to get the plastic out of the metal tooling.

Till-all-R1 wrote:^ That's what I kept trying to wrap my head around, how in the world would mold even be able to grow on plastic unless it was sitting in actual mold for several years. If it was a simple case of them being stored in damp conditions where the mold would first appear on cardboard packaging, it would then be so sever there in order for it to move to the product.

Something about this supposedly being mold never made any sense to me.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

Till-all-R1 wrote:^ That's what I kept trying to wrap my head around, how in the world would mold even be able to grow on plastic unless it was sitting in actual mold for several years. If it was a simple case of them being stored in damp conditions where the mold would first appear on cardboard packaging, it would then be so sever there in order for it to move to the product.

Something about this supposedly being mold never made any sense to me.

For assurance, I did Google "mold on plastic", and it can actually happen. The circumstances for that to happen are quite specific however; molds have a hard time breaking down plastic into something they can actually process (tho some of the fillers are easier), but if there's an, o say, a crack that allows it to get to the center and take hold, it can stick around.

That said, glad we got an answer on what it actually is (and making us look silly in the progress. Our fault entirely). Better update that News Item.

SpaceEagle wrote:Good to know it's likely not a fungus! Still hope this gets rectified nonetheless because that'd suck having a splotchy mess on your copy.
Makes me feel a bit more confident to get one later. Maybe even as Chuckdawg suggested with a rerelease in the Toxitron line (though hopefully they consider using the Thrust mold instead in my honest opinion).

chuckdawg1999 wrote:So far my Nacell is fine, I wonder if the figure is going to be retroactively added to the Toxictron line.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

Till-all-R1 wrote:^ That's what I kept trying to wrap my head around, how in the world would mold even be able to grow on plastic unless it was sitting in actual mold for several years. If it was a simple case of them being stored in damp conditions where the mold would first appear on cardboard packaging, it would then be so sever there in order for it to move to the product.

Something about this supposedly being mold never made any sense to me.

For assurance, I did Google "mold on plastic", and it can actually happen. The circumstances for that to happen are quite specific however; molds have a hard time breaking down plastic into something they can actually process (tho some of the fillers are easier), but if there's an, o say, a crack that allows it to get to the center and take hold, it can stick around.

That said, glad we got an answer on what it actually is (and making us look silly in the progress. Our fault entirely). Better update that News Item.

AcademyofDrX wrote:

SpaceEagle wrote:Good to know it's likely not a fungus! Still hope this gets rectified nonetheless because that'd suck having a splotchy mess on your copy.
Makes me feel a bit more confident to get one later. Maybe even as Chuckdawg suggested with a rerelease in the Toxitron line (though hopefully they consider using the Thrust mold instead in my honest opinion).

It comes off with water

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:On the subject of the regular line... Did the US release of Armada Optimus get postponed to 2024 or something? Or is Hasbro's US distribution network just completely hopeless at this point? I know it's been doing wonders for my Lego Star Wars collection.

SpaceEagle wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:

SpaceEagle wrote:Good to know it's likely not a fungus! Still hope this gets rectified nonetheless because that'd suck having a splotchy mess on your copy.
Makes me feel a bit more confident to get one later. Maybe even as Chuckdawg suggested with a rerelease in the Toxitron line (though hopefully they consider using the Thrust mold instead in my honest opinion).

It comes off with water

I figured one could wash it off, just more concerned with more seeping out later down the road. I'm not an expert on plastics or anything so I ain't sure!

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

SpaceEagle wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:

SpaceEagle wrote:Good to know it's likely not a fungus! Still hope this gets rectified nonetheless because that'd suck having a splotchy mess on your copy.
Makes me feel a bit more confident to get one later. Maybe even as Chuckdawg suggested with a rerelease in the Toxitron line (though hopefully they consider using the Thrust mold instead in my honest opinion).

It comes off with water

I figured one could wash it off, just more concerned with more seeping out later down the road. I'm not an expert on plastics or anything so I ain't sure!

Not a worry in this case, since it didn't seep out of the plastic in the first place. It's the stuff they grease the molds with to keep the plastic from sticking.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Yes. That scaremongering clickbait needs to be amended right away.

Emerje wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Yes. That scaremongering clickbait needs to be amended right away.

I refuse, not until Hasbro addresses it directly. The whole "it's just mold release" is still just a theory as far as I'm concerned. If it really is then why have we never seen it on another Transformer before? Why is it fuzzy? Mold can grow on plastic, we've all seen mildew develop on toys, it only takes a little moisture and none of know what the conditions are like in that factory. Until Hasbro says otherwise I'm going to remain cautious and recommend others do the same.

Emerje

Sabrblade wrote:Update on the Nacelle mold that... may not actually be mold:

https://twitter.com/damnyouwillis/status/1697973275198902778

It's not mold! It's release fluid they use to get the plastic out of the metal tooling.

ScottyP wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Update on the Nacelle mold that... may not actually be mold:

https://twitter.com/damnyouwillis/status/1697973275198902778

It's not mold! It's release fluid they use to get the plastic out of the metal tooling.

I've had toys arrive with that stuff on them and that is not at all what the mold release stuff looks like, or at least what it used to. Last time I had that happen with a Hasbro product was the TRU MP Grimlock reissue. That stuff had the consistency and feel of petroleum jelly and was more or less clear.

Emerje wrote:

ScottyP wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Update on the Nacelle mold that... may not actually be mold:

https://twitter.com/damnyouwillis/status/1697973275198902778

It's not mold! It's release fluid they use to get the plastic out of the metal tooling.

I've had toys arrive with that stuff on them and that is not at all what the mold release stuff looks like, or at least what it used to. Last time I had that happen with a Hasbro product was the TRU MP Grimlock reissue. That stuff had the consistency and feel of petroleum jelly and was more or less clear.

Yeah, it was always my understanding that mold release for injection molds is oily and very thin, anything thick could effect the molding.

I can't believe one random person on Twitter saying it's mold release with no evidence is enough to get people to make a 180 on the issue.

Emerje

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:

ScottyP wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Update on the Nacelle mold that... may not actually be mold:

https://twitter.com/damnyouwillis/status/1697973275198902778

It's not mold! It's release fluid they use to get the plastic out of the metal tooling.

I've had toys arrive with that stuff on them and that is not at all what the mold release stuff looks like, or at least what it used to. Last time I had that happen with a Hasbro product was the TRU MP Grimlock reissue. That stuff had the consistency and feel of petroleum jelly and was more or less clear.

Yeah, it was always my understanding that mold release for injection molds is oily and very thin, anything thick could effect the molding.
He is one of the people behind TFWiki iirc
I can't believe one random person on Twitter saying it's mold release with no evidence is enough to get people to make a 180 on the issue.

Emerje

To be fair, David Willis isn't some random person.

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:

ScottyP wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Update on the Nacelle mold that... may not actually be mold:

https://twitter.com/damnyouwillis/status/1697973275198902778

It's not mold! It's release fluid they use to get the plastic out of the metal tooling.

I've had toys arrive with that stuff on them and that is not at all what the mold release stuff looks like, or at least what it used to. Last time I had that happen with a Hasbro product was the TRU MP Grimlock reissue. That stuff had the consistency and feel of petroleum jelly and was more or less clear.

Yeah, it was always my understanding that mold release for injection molds is oily and very thin, anything thick could effect the molding.

I can't believe one random person on Twitter saying it's mold release with no evidence is enough to get people to make a 180 on the issue.

Emerje

To be fair, David Willis isn't some random person.

Emerje wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:

ScottyP wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Update on the Nacelle mold that... may not actually be mold:

https://twitter.com/damnyouwillis/status/1697973275198902778

It's not mold! It's release fluid they use to get the plastic out of the metal tooling.

I've had toys arrive with that stuff on them and that is not at all what the mold release stuff looks like, or at least what it used to. Last time I had that happen with a Hasbro product was the TRU MP Grimlock reissue. That stuff had the consistency and feel of petroleum jelly and was more or less clear.

Yeah, it was always my understanding that mold release for injection molds is oily and very thin, anything thick could effect the molding.

I can't believe one random person on Twitter saying it's mold release with no evidence is enough to get people to make a 180 on the issue.

Emerje

To be fair, David Willis isn't some random person.

He's never worked in a plastics factory has he? I'm going to guess he's no more an authority on this than any of us.

Emerje

First-Aid wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:And let's face it. Many of the complaints about the Animated Stunticons not being a combiner came from people who wanted a new Classics-style Menasor and didn't really care about the Animated universe or its aesthetic. They just wanted a modern G1-ish Menasor and were mad that BotCon 2011 wasn't gonna give them one (as if they would have ever happened in 2011 regardless).

This is what bugs me about Geewunners. They are never, EVER happy. Unless it's exactly the same g1 figures EVERY SINGLE DAMN TIME, they whine, wail, gnash teeth, and cry until the streets are flowing with saliva and tears. Each "new" line (and I have to put new because at this point HasTak has no damned originality and can't create but Geewun redux) the Geewunners complain that it's not, you know, G1 despite it still essentially being g1. You know what current toys have that G1 toys never had? Knees and elbows. Seriously they need to quit their crying and just accept that we aren't in G1 anymore and either move on or sulk and hide in a corner and STFU.


(panting as annoyed rage subsides)

Quantum Surge wrote:On your left, we have a debate on Willis being reliable. And on your right, we have a discussion on Geewunners being mad over the Animated Stunticons.

Quantum Surge wrote:On your left, we have a debate on Willis being reliable. And on your right, we have a discussion on Geewunners being mad over the Animated Stunticons.

sol magnus wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:And let's face it. Many of the complaints about the Animated Stunticons not being a combiner came from people who wanted a new Classics-style Menasor and didn't really care about the Animated universe or its aesthetic. They just wanted a modern G1-ish Menasor and were mad that BotCon 2011 wasn't gonna give them one (as if they would have ever happened in 2011 regardless).

This is what bugs me about Geewunners. They are never, EVER happy. Unless it's exactly the same g1 figures EVERY SINGLE DAMN TIME, they whine, wail, gnash teeth, and cry until the streets are flowing with saliva and tears. Each "new" line (and I have to put new because at this point HasTak has no damned originality and can't create but Geewun redux) the Geewunners complain that it's not, you know, G1 despite it still essentially being g1. You know what current toys have that G1 toys never had? Knees and elbows. Seriously they need to quit their crying and just accept that we aren't in G1 anymore and either move on or sulk and hide in a corner and STFU.


(panting as annoyed rage subsides)

As a G1 fan, eff that 'Geewunner' BS, I'm very happy with the current direction of things in general with Transformers. We're getting the staple guys drib drabbed out, deep cuts, and even widening the tent.

I think you just talk to the wrong people.

Rtron wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:And let's face it. Many of the complaints about the Animated Stunticons not being a combiner came from people who wanted a new Classics-style Menasor and didn't really care about the Animated universe or its aesthetic. They just wanted a modern G1-ish Menasor and were mad that BotCon 2011 wasn't gonna give them one (as if they would have ever happened in 2011 regardless).

This is what bugs me about Geewunners. They are never, EVER happy. Unless it's exactly the same g1 figures EVERY SINGLE DAMN TIME, they whine, wail, gnash teeth, and cry until the streets are flowing with saliva and tears. Each "new" line (and I have to put new because at this point HasTak has no damned originality and can't create but Geewun redux) the Geewunners complain that it's not, you know, G1 despite it still essentially being g1. You know what current toys have that G1 toys never had? Knees and elbows. Seriously they need to quit their crying and just accept that we aren't in G1 anymore and either move on or sulk and hide in a corner and STFU.


(panting as annoyed rage subsides)

As a G1 fan, eff that 'Geewunner' BS, I'm very happy with the current direction of things in general with Transformers. We're getting the staple guys drib drabbed out, deep cuts, and even widening the tent.

I think you just talk to the wrong people.

Dude, of course you don't mind it if you're a geewunner. But if you like animated, prime, or bayverse, then really there's barely anything at all, really nothing if you like animated or prime.

Rtron wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:And let's face it. Many of the complaints about the Animated Stunticons not being a combiner came from people who wanted a new Classics-style Menasor and didn't really care about the Animated universe or its aesthetic. They just wanted a modern G1-ish Menasor and were mad that BotCon 2011 wasn't gonna give them one (as if they would have ever happened in 2011 regardless).

This is what bugs me about Geewunners. They are never, EVER happy. Unless it's exactly the same g1 figures EVERY SINGLE DAMN TIME, they whine, wail, gnash teeth, and cry until the streets are flowing with saliva and tears. Each "new" line (and I have to put new because at this point HasTak has no damned originality and can't create but Geewun redux) the Geewunners complain that it's not, you know, G1 despite it still essentially being g1. You know what current toys have that G1 toys never had? Knees and elbows. Seriously they need to quit their crying and just accept that we aren't in G1 anymore and either move on or sulk and hide in a corner and STFU.


(panting as annoyed rage subsides)

As a G1 fan, eff that 'Geewunner' BS, I'm very happy with the current direction of things in general with Transformers. We're getting the staple guys drib drabbed out, deep cuts, and even widening the tent.

I think you just talk to the wrong people.

Dude, of course you don't mind it if you're a geewunner. But if you like animated, prime, or bayverse, then really there's barely anything at all, really nothing if you like animated or prime.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rtron wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:And let's face it. Many of the complaints about the Animated Stunticons not being a combiner came from people who wanted a new Classics-style Menasor and didn't really care about the Animated universe or its aesthetic. They just wanted a modern G1-ish Menasor and were mad that BotCon 2011 wasn't gonna give them one (as if they would have ever happened in 2011 regardless).

This is what bugs me about Geewunners. They are never, EVER happy. Unless it's exactly the same g1 figures EVERY SINGLE DAMN TIME, they whine, wail, gnash teeth, and cry until the streets are flowing with saliva and tears. Each "new" line (and I have to put new because at this point HasTak has no damned originality and can't create but Geewun redux) the Geewunners complain that it's not, you know, G1 despite it still essentially being g1. You know what current toys have that G1 toys never had? Knees and elbows. Seriously they need to quit their crying and just accept that we aren't in G1 anymore and either move on or sulk and hide in a corner and STFU.


(panting as annoyed rage subsides)

As a G1 fan, eff that 'Geewunner' BS, I'm very happy with the current direction of things in general with Transformers. We're getting the staple guys drib drabbed out, deep cuts, and even widening the tent.

I think you just talk to the wrong people.

Dude, of course you don't mind it if you're a geewunner. But if you like animated, prime, or bayverse, then really there's barely anything at all, really nothing if you like animated or prime.

I think you misread what he wrote. He said "eff that 'Geewunner' BS", meaning he's against the Geewunner mentality. He's a G1 fan, but not a Geewunner.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rtron wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:And let's face it. Many of the complaints about the Animated Stunticons not being a combiner came from people who wanted a new Classics-style Menasor and didn't really care about the Animated universe or its aesthetic. They just wanted a modern G1-ish Menasor and were mad that BotCon 2011 wasn't gonna give them one (as if they would have ever happened in 2011 regardless).

This is what bugs me about Geewunners. They are never, EVER happy. Unless it's exactly the same g1 figures EVERY SINGLE DAMN TIME, they whine, wail, gnash teeth, and cry until the streets are flowing with saliva and tears. Each "new" line (and I have to put new because at this point HasTak has no damned originality and can't create but Geewun redux) the Geewunners complain that it's not, you know, G1 despite it still essentially being g1. You know what current toys have that G1 toys never had? Knees and elbows. Seriously they need to quit their crying and just accept that we aren't in G1 anymore and either move on or sulk and hide in a corner and STFU.


(panting as annoyed rage subsides)

As a G1 fan, eff that 'Geewunner' BS, I'm very happy with the current direction of things in general with Transformers. We're getting the staple guys drib drabbed out, deep cuts, and even widening the tent.

I think you just talk to the wrong people.

Dude, of course you don't mind it if you're a geewunner. But if you like animated, prime, or bayverse, then really there's barely anything at all, really nothing if you like animated or prime.

I think you misread what he wrote. He said "eff that 'Geewunner' BS", meaning he's against the Geewunner mentality. He's a G1 fan, but not a Geewunner.

Rtron wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rtron wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:And let's face it. Many of the complaints about the Animated Stunticons not being a combiner came from people who wanted a new Classics-style Menasor and didn't really care about the Animated universe or its aesthetic. They just wanted a modern G1-ish Menasor and were mad that BotCon 2011 wasn't gonna give them one (as if they would have ever happened in 2011 regardless).

This is what bugs me about Geewunners. They are never, EVER happy. Unless it's exactly the same g1 figures EVERY SINGLE DAMN TIME, they whine, wail, gnash teeth, and cry until the streets are flowing with saliva and tears. Each "new" line (and I have to put new because at this point HasTak has no damned originality and can't create but Geewun redux) the Geewunners complain that it's not, you know, G1 despite it still essentially being g1. You know what current toys have that G1 toys never had? Knees and elbows. Seriously they need to quit their crying and just accept that we aren't in G1 anymore and either move on or sulk and hide in a corner and STFU.


(panting as annoyed rage subsides)

As a G1 fan, eff that 'Geewunner' BS, I'm very happy with the current direction of things in general with Transformers. We're getting the staple guys drib drabbed out, deep cuts, and even widening the tent.

I think you just talk to the wrong people.

Dude, of course you don't mind it if you're a geewunner. But if you like animated, prime, or bayverse, then really there's barely anything at all, really nothing if you like animated or prime.

I think you misread what he wrote. He said "eff that 'Geewunner' BS", meaning he's against the Geewunner mentality. He's a G1 fan, but not a Geewunner.

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rtron wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:And let's face it. Many of the complaints about the Animated Stunticons not being a combiner came from people who wanted a new Classics-style Menasor and didn't really care about the Animated universe or its aesthetic. They just wanted a modern G1-ish Menasor and were mad that BotCon 2011 wasn't gonna give them one (as if they would have ever happened in 2011 regardless).

This is what bugs me about Geewunners. They are never, EVER happy. Unless it's exactly the same g1 figures EVERY SINGLE DAMN TIME, they whine, wail, gnash teeth, and cry until the streets are flowing with saliva and tears. Each "new" line (and I have to put new because at this point HasTak has no damned originality and can't create but Geewun redux) the Geewunners complain that it's not, you know, G1 despite it still essentially being g1. You know what current toys have that G1 toys never had? Knees and elbows. Seriously they need to quit their crying and just accept that we aren't in G1 anymore and either move on or sulk and hide in a corner and STFU.


(panting as annoyed rage subsides)

As a G1 fan, eff that 'Geewunner' BS, I'm very happy with the current direction of things in general with Transformers. We're getting the staple guys drib drabbed out, deep cuts, and even widening the tent.

I think you just talk to the wrong people.

Dude, of course you don't mind it if you're a geewunner. But if you like animated, prime, or bayverse, then really there's barely anything at all, really nothing if you like animated or prime.

I think you misread what he wrote. He said "eff that 'Geewunner' BS", meaning he's against the Geewunner mentality. He's a G1 fan, but not a Geewunner.

I'm not going to insist that factionalism doesn't exist, because I know it does and I've seen it. But I frankly see far more anti-Geewunner than pro-Geewunner posts, and I think any kind of purists are a small minority. Most people are "I like this the most, but I also like X, and I don't like Y." So there's still plenty of stuff to argue about, but most arguments aren't "this is always bad and you're wrong."

At least, in my experience. If someone says they hate everything about X in a confrontational way, then I mute them. Unless they hate everything about TransTech, because that's obviously objectively correct.

Rtron wrote:I personally like G1 as an aesthetic on its own, my problem is that clearly Hasbro is trying to make it the only Transformers aesthetic, when until about 2015 Transformers was an eclectic brand with a little something for everyone, that was constantly reinventing itself and presenting new looks and possibilities for the Transformers.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rtron wrote:I personally like G1 as an aesthetic on its own, my problem is that clearly Hasbro is trying to make it the only Transformers aesthetic, when until about 2015 Transformers was an eclectic brand with a little something for everyone, that was constantly reinventing itself and presenting new looks and possibilities for the Transformers.

The irony of this is, Hasbro is clearly allowing Beast Wars to keep its aesthetic in Legacy, when it's clearly a very distinct look from the G1 aesthetic that G2, RID 2001, and the Unicron Trilogy all held onto. Prime and Animated get G1-ified, but Beast Wars does not, when its aesthetic is based less on G1 and more on The Guyver (true story).

Can you guys imagine how outraged people would have been if the Legacy toys of Tarantulas and Inferno had had the blocky mechanical machine aesthetic of the G1 Dinobots/Insecticons/Predacons/etc. instead of the rounded, organic-textured look that they received?