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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:You see, my jumping on point to G1 was The Movie. So I don't have the sentimentality for Season One and Two. So when it comes to seeing what I want to see, I only have the evidence presented within the context of The Movie. I don't have the exchange in episode 16 to colour my perceptions of what I was watching in the moment. To me, Prowl was "the one with smoking eyes", Ironhide was that red guy, put down at Megatron's feet and Prime died by his own making, because he couldn't finish a fight he started.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:You see, my jumping on point to G1 was The Movie. So I don't have the sentimentality for Season One and Two. So when it comes to seeing what I want to see, I only have the evidence presented within the context of The Movie. I don't have the exchange in episode 16 to colour my perceptions of what I was watching in the moment. To me, Prowl was "the one with smoking eyes", Ironhide was that red guy, put down at Megatron's feet and Prime died by his own making, because he couldn't finish a fight he started.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
AllNewSuperRobot wrote::lol: Sunbow wasn't Shakespeare.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
AllNewSuperRobot wrote: As such it was viewed in isolation, I saw the Movie and its characterisation without bias or attachment. I was also a child, so there was no value judgements or other such psychological notions involved.
Anyway What Prime started, was a fight to the death. He set the tone of this particular battle. As I said before, Prime didn't think Megatron was sincere in his plea, no. However, rather than contain the situation he mocked him and toyed with him, via monologue. Thus the fight was drawn out beyond Primes control and he was killed.
Omega_Abyss wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote: As such it was viewed in isolation, I saw the Movie and its characterisation without bias or attachment. I was also a child, so there was no value judgements or other such psychological notions involved.
That is a incorrect assessment you have about child psychology, but this isn't the time or the place for that conversation.Anyway What Prime started, was a fight to the death. He set the tone of this particular battle. As I said before, Prime didn't think Megatron was sincere in his plea, no. However, rather than contain the situation he mocked him and toyed with him, via monologue. Thus the fight was drawn out beyond Primes control and he was killed.
The way in which you characterize the fight is entirely different than they way I would.
Megatron started the fight by attacking the shuttle and invading Autobot City. Prime simply defending his troops as he should. As I thought we previously agreed, there was very little denoting the stakes were raised on Prime's part. There is nothing in his dialogue defining this as a final battle; whereas, Megatron killed: Brawn, Prowl, Ratchet and Ironhide. but Prime had no direct knowledge of this. If anyone started the fight and set the tone, it was Megatron.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:We are going around in circles here, with semantics, so lets reign this in.
To correctly evaluate the flaws or weaknesses of a character, you have to be Objective, not subjective. I gave an answer to the question of this thread, because I have a complete lack of attachment to this character. So I can do that. As I see it, defending his character and actions as if he were a real person, means you can't. To that end, if you can't give an answer to the purpose of the thread, there is no point in going any further.
To say I missed some greater nuance or understanding of the character, in the most superficial interpretation of him in the entire 36 years of the franchise, is nonsense. That's fanboying.
In other words, you do you. I've answered the question of the thread with my own viewpoint on the source material. Whether or not it is agreed with is neither here nor there. Fans rarely agree with critique.
Lastly, I wasn't generalising child psychology, I was specifically referencing myself at that 3 years old. I watched what was put in front of me, enjoying it or not.
Fin
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
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