Randomus wrote:It worth noting though that (I assume) few complained when they made Blurr a Targetmaster.
I know what you’re going to say: it was justified by the fiction. However, there’s no reason to assume that IDW won’t include most of Titans Returns as well, just as they included Ultra Prime.
No, it's different. When Blurr was made a Targetmaster, something was added. He got a gun partner that you could ignore if you so chose.
The core toy and character were unchanged.
william-james88 wrote:Randomus wrote:It worth noting though that (I assume) few complained when they made Blurr a Targetmaster.
Or Optimus a Powermaster. Or when Grimlock became a Pretender.
But there were massive complaints from kids when they all became action masters.
Oh, people complained about Pretenders at the time and moreso about the characters that
became Pretenders.
BUT...
When this all happened, Prime, Grimlock, Bumblebee etc had been off the shelves for a long while and kids were happy to be able to get ANY version of that character.
Decepticon Sunstorm wrote:Not to defend the new-stuff haters, but that was when all of the GEEWUNers were still kids, so they would have seen it as a cool new feature.
First off, I don't think I was so obtuse as to be mentioned in the same breath as anything that could be considered a "new-stuff hater." Before most current board members were on their way to see the 2007 movie, I was taking up the sword and shield for RiD and Armada, two franchise elements much harder to defend that CW or TR, against a sea of G1 purists.
So I'll have no one on this board inferring any bit of close mindedness on my part.
On to the point...
Make whatever cool, different, radical, innovative updates you care to make for any character. I support all of it.
The only thing I'm arguing and I cannot understand why I have to do so with such frequency or in such plain blunt terms, is that classic, traditional characters should be given a quality toy, with modern engineering, without gimmicks, that homages the original character.
Is this point really so hard to digest?
If the only Classics/Generation Soundwave we ever get is a Headmaster, then we really haven't gotten a Classics/Generations Soundwave; have we?
No one would disagree with me if this was a discussion about Masterpiece figures. Classics/Generations does for retail lines what MP figures do for collector lines. Sure, there is more leverage to alter/update the design. If Blaster was a set of turntables or Starscream's jet mode was updated to a more modern jet, I have no issue with that. Must like Bumblebee, Sideswipe, Hound etc all got updates but still kept their core attributes. Prime went from an 80's flat nose cab to a sleeker more modern semi.
They didn't have designs that diverged into a different category.
You don't see me complaining about Combiner Wars Autobot cars who can combine now. For one, they all have true classic styled versions. For another, the design change could be ignored for those who don't like it or embraced by those who do.
Disagree with me or not over the scale of the problem, but turning non-headmasters into HM characters is not a similar update.
Randomus wrote:When you think about it though, we're basically saying that you can tweek a character for the first two years of existence, then he's locked that way forever.
I am 100% specifically NOT saying that. Tweak away! Change ad nauseam. Pervert beyond all recognizable distinction! Change. Transform. Kiss Play for all I care.
But give me that one, unadulterated, modern update first.
Then proceed on your way to any and everything ya'll can imagine.
, but I feel the base mode really compromised the engineering. I'm just getting a huge "meh" feeling from this, and that's all I can really pin it on. That, and the fact it's over priced, like all recent Hasbro leaders. 
