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AcademyofDrX wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:

SpaceEagle wrote:Okay but I'd honestly love to see a take on the Beastie Bots being done in the chunky, 80's mecha style of the G1 bots...
Would it probably upset fans? Probably, can't really deny that, but I would find it very fascinating. Maybe that could've been their "Cybertronian" counterparts if HasTak needed a marketing gimmick to excuse why chunky bugs and cheetahs turned into organic ones. Shrug.

I love Burcham's designs for Cybertronian Beasties in the last IDW comic with those characters. They weren't blocky and overly G1, but sleek and angular and something else entirely.

This?

It's kinda like a "Beast Machines meets Movieverse" aesthetic. Really alien like those two.

No, this:

I wouldn't mind getting either of those two now that the beasts have proper toys, although I'd rather get more guys from the japanese side of things first. The story of the IDW Beast Wars comic felt a bit too in the middle to my taste, though. Like it needed to either be more different to the show, or more similar (preferably, more different). Perhaps it would have gone in a more interesting direction if it had more issues, who knows.

Rtron wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Rtron wrote:I personally like G1 as an aesthetic on its own, my problem is that clearly Hasbro is trying to make it the only Transformers aesthetic, when until about 2015 Transformers was an eclectic brand with a little something for everyone, that was constantly reinventing itself and presenting new looks and possibilities for the Transformers.

This is simply untrue. You could certainly make a claim that Generations exclusive of Studio Series as a toyline umbrella is overly devoted to G1 and the toons, but even then you need exceptions like Beast Wars and Armada. Cyberverse is G1-ish, but no more so than Animated was.

On the other end of the spectrum, BotBots and Rescue Bots are arguably dead brands now, but the former postdates 2015, and the latter has continued past that point in multiple ways. I would be shocked if Hasbro isn't looking for the next weird brand spin-off even now. You can also compare TF to other legacy and evergreen properties like He-Man and GI Joe, where there is much less narrative and product innovation. Transformers is positively dynamic in contrast to those.

Yeah, well, but that's like saying that snails are faster that dead snails, lol. There's few toylines more stuck in time than those two you mentioned.

Botbots was different, yeah, but Hasbro always treated it as a secondary thing, to the point where they gave it a single season cartoon, and they waited until the toyline was over to do it. The "main" new things tend to be way more G1 inspired now. I think Cyberverse is way more G1 than Animated, not just in style but conceptually and in story.

Right, but those properties are quite similar to Transformers, starting around the same time, with multiple relaunches, and still active forty years later. Transformers has always been more adaptive to modern times than those, but it also continues to be.

I guarantee that Hasbro didn't want the BotBots cartoon to air independent of product support and vice versa. You may recall that media production and the distribution of goods were severely impacted by an incredibly disruptive worldwide event, and that was not in Hasbro's control.

We can agree to disagree on Cyberverse. Transformers products and stories will rarely be mostly free of G1 influence, but I don't think that's the same as saying they're only ever G1.

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:

SpaceEagle wrote:Okay but I'd honestly love to see a take on the Beastie Bots being done in the chunky, 80's mecha style of the G1 bots...
Would it probably upset fans? Probably, can't really deny that, but I would find it very fascinating. Maybe that could've been their "Cybertronian" counterparts if HasTak needed a marketing gimmick to excuse why chunky bugs and cheetahs turned into organic ones. Shrug.

I love Burcham's designs for Cybertronian Beasties in the last IDW comic with those characters. They weren't blocky and overly G1, but sleek and angular and something else entirely.

This?

It's kinda like a "Beast Machines meets Movieverse" aesthetic. Really alien like those two.

No, this:

Ah, right. That's just Josh Burcham's art style in general. When given full control of the art, he draws everything like that.

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Rtron wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Rtron wrote:I personally like G1 as an aesthetic on its own, my problem is that clearly Hasbro is trying to make it the only Transformers aesthetic, when until about 2015 Transformers was an eclectic brand with a little something for everyone, that was constantly reinventing itself and presenting new looks and possibilities for the Transformers.

This is simply untrue. You could certainly make a claim that Generations exclusive of Studio Series as a toyline umbrella is overly devoted to G1 and the toons, but even then you need exceptions like Beast Wars and Armada. Cyberverse is G1-ish, but no more so than Animated was.

On the other end of the spectrum, BotBots and Rescue Bots are arguably dead brands now, but the former postdates 2015, and the latter has continued past that point in multiple ways. I would be shocked if Hasbro isn't looking for the next weird brand spin-off even now. You can also compare TF to other legacy and evergreen properties like He-Man and GI Joe, where there is much less narrative and product innovation. Transformers is positively dynamic in contrast to those.

Yeah, well, but that's like saying that snails are faster that dead snails, lol. There's few toylines more stuck in time than those two you mentioned.

Botbots was different, yeah, but Hasbro always treated it as a secondary thing, to the point where they gave it a single season cartoon, and they waited until the toyline was over to do it. The "main" new things tend to be way more G1 inspired now. I think Cyberverse is way more G1 than Animated, not just in style but conceptually and in story.

Right, but those properties are quite similar to Transformers, starting around the same time, with multiple relaunches, and still active forty years later. Transformers has always been more adaptive to modern times than those, but it also continues to be.

I guarantee that Hasbro didn't want the BotBots cartoon to air independent of product support and vice versa. You may recall that media production and the distribution of goods were severely impacted by an incredibly disruptive worldwide event, and that was not in Hasbro's control.

We can agree to disagree on Cyberverse. Transformers products and stories will rarely be mostly free of G1 influence, but I don't think that's the same as saying they're only ever G1.

Thing is, Botbots launched a few years before the pandemic, they just decided to focus on Cyberverse.

I agree that we'll have to agree to disagree on the Cyberverse / Animated thing.

G.I. Joe and He-Man have always been way less relevant than Transformers to kids and the general public post 80's, though, and that's probably to do with the way smaller scope of reinvention those two have. G.I. Joe's problem is also worsened by some real life stuff affecting the way people see war toys, which was already an impediment for the franchise outside of the USA since the beginning. And there's also the fact that the franchise has a pretty bad name. As in, literally the name of the franchise is a hard sell. I don't know if it factored into the decision to sell it as Action Man outside of the USA back in the 80's, but if it was, then there's proof of that.

Giant robots just sell, kids just love big beep boops and them turning into a cool car or a cool tank is just something everyone loves.

sometimes


But more often than not!

SpaceEagle wrote:Giant robots just sell, kids just love big beep boops and them turning into a cool car or a cool tank is just something everyone loves.

sometimes


But more often than not!

I think this we can all agree on! Robots that turn into other things and beings will always appeal to a certain type of kid.

I just think that it's important to constantly change aesthetic and setting, to keep it in line with the times, so that MORE kids will like it, and feeling tied to G1 goes in detriment of that.

Rtron wrote:

SpaceEagle wrote:Giant robots just sell, kids just love big beep boops and them turning into a cool car or a cool tank is just something everyone loves.

sometimes


But more often than not!

I think this we can all agree on! Robots that turn into other things and beings will always appeal to a certain type of kid.

I just think that it's important to constantly change aesthetic and setting, to keep it in line with the times, so that MORE kids will like it, and feeling tied to G1 goes in detriment of that.

Yup! It does feel like the whole 80's nostalgia is somewhat dying down...

...or, at least, the same old "retro throwback" junk at the local Target near where I live still keeps rotting on shelves!

Rtron wrote:

Rtron wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rtron wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:And let's face it. Many of the complaints about the Animated Stunticons not being a combiner came from people who wanted a new Classics-style Menasor and didn't really care about the Animated universe or its aesthetic. They just wanted a modern G1-ish Menasor and were mad that BotCon 2011 wasn't gonna give them one (as if they would have ever happened in 2011 regardless).

This is what bugs me about Geewunners. They are never, EVER happy. Unless it's exactly the same g1 figures EVERY SINGLE DAMN TIME, they whine, wail, gnash teeth, and cry until the streets are flowing with saliva and tears. Each "new" line (and I have to put new because at this point HasTak has no damned originality and can't create but Geewun redux) the Geewunners complain that it's not, you know, G1 despite it still essentially being g1. You know what current toys have that G1 toys never had? Knees and elbows. Seriously they need to quit their crying and just accept that we aren't in G1 anymore and either move on or sulk and hide in a corner and STFU.


(panting as annoyed rage subsides)

As a G1 fan, eff that 'Geewunner' BS, I'm very happy with the current direction of things in general with Transformers. We're getting the staple guys drib drabbed out, deep cuts, and even widening the tent.

I think you just talk to the wrong people.

Dude, of course you don't mind it if you're a geewunner. But if you like animated, prime, or bayverse, then really there's barely anything at all, really nothing if you like animated or prime.

I think you misread what he wrote. He said "eff that 'Geewunner' BS", meaning he's against the Geewunner mentality. He's a G1 fan, but not a Geewunner.

Ok, you're right. I'm sorry Sol Magnus, I misread you. Things are pretty bad in other non-TF areas and I misdirected my frustration. I still stand by the fact that those properties are not being handled properly, but I was wrong to criticize you. I left out Unicron Trilogy because that's something that they are actually doing properly... probably because it's already pretty in line with the G1 aesthetic.

It's all good, man. We all tend to retreat to our silos on the internet, but I'm actively trying not to be that guy.

Also, just because I'm happy overall with how things are doesn't mean I'm not open to other things. Probably, the thing I'm definitely the annoying fan about is scale. I like scale. I think if you're going to do scale, then you need to stick to it and do it right, but that's just me.

Mine had this stuff on it and I initially just wiped the wings off with a Clorox wipe. But after reading all this on different sites and Social media, I put him in a ziplock bag, boxed him up then disinfected the desk he was on. Then I chatted Amazon who just refunded me my money and said to do what I wanted with the figure since I didn't want a replacement. Doubt I'll keep it though.

Hopped on to double-check the OG Armada Megatron gallery for comparison (easier than grabbing my Galvatron off the shelf)... and I saw that the scaremongering clickbait title on the Nacelle article still hasn't been changed. Part of me feels like at this point this site can't be trusted to post news at all.

EDIT: Aaaaaand I was right about the thing I was double-checking. Unfortunately. And now I'm mad. I realize I'm either behind the times or have spaced about this issue, but I'm mad.





What good-for-nothing pseudo-thinking and/or pennypinching smeghead decided that FULL SHOULDER ROTATION was an acceptable feature to drop when developing Legacy Armada Megatron? Thanks to that boneheaded move, everything but the upper legs is objectively worse than the original toy. It would be one thing if he was a case of play features being traded in for better articulation... but the shoulders thing means that he's instead a case of trading in one articulation problem for another, and adding insult to injury by losing the gimmicks.

This cannot be allowed to stand. All Galvatron production should be frozen until this is fixed - or if they won't fix it, it should be canceled entirely.

And people asking for more UT stuff in Legacy would evidently be better off shushing, because clearly the instances of HasTak getting it right have been nothing but flukes and they can't actually be trusted to make the gains worth the losses.

TOOYYYYYSSSSS, TOYSSSSS, TOYYYYYYYSSSSSSSSS!!!!!

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:What good-for-nothing pseudo-thinking and/or pennypinching smeghead decided that FULL SHOULDER ROTATION was an acceptable feature to drop when developing Legacy Armada Megatron?

The same person who decided that was also an acceptable feature to drop when developing Legacy Laser Optimus Prime?

Sabrblade wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:What good-for-nothing pseudo-thinking and/or pennypinching smeghead decided that FULL SHOULDER ROTATION was an acceptable feature to drop when developing Legacy Armada Megatron?

The same person who decided that was also an acceptable feature to drop when developing Legacy Laser Optimus Prime?

That was also stupid, although at least in that thing's case there was the quasi-excuse that it was an extreme retool of Earthrise Optimus.

Armada Megs doesn't even have that. He's a new mold. He could have been better. But instead he just trades poor leg articulation for poor arm articulation. If not for there being 3P kits to restore the proper range, and my having swiftly bought one... I would be very tempted to just tie his sorry aft back up in the box and return him.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Hopped on to double-check the OG Armada Megatron gallery for comparison (easier than grabbing my Galvatron off the shelf)... and I saw that the scaremongering clickbait title on the Nacelle article still hasn't been changed. Part of me feels like at this point this site can't be trusted to post news at all.

Again, it's not changing until we get a statement from Hasbro or Amazon, not a random guy posting on Twitter. I don't care if he's a TFwiki contributer, he's no more an authority than I am. This is by no means scaremongering, this is a real, widespread issue that could potentially be dangerous. The fact that Amazon is giving refunds and exchanges without asking for the figure back is very troubling to me.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:Again, it's not changing until we get a statement from Hasbro or Amazon, not a random guy posting on Twitter. I don't care if he's a TFwiki contributer, he's no more an authority than I am. This is by no means scaremongering, this is a real, widespread issue that could potentially be dangerous. The fact that Amazon is giving refunds and exchanges without asking for the figure back is very troubling to me.

Emerje

Read: Not changing it because it's the most hits we've gotten in years

How widespread exactly is it? Because so far all I've seen online is a bunch of people saying they opened theirs because of this and found nothing.

If everyone is claiming mold damage then yeah I can see Amazon not wanting it back without question. I wouldn't be surprised if there is some law against knowingly shipping moldy packages.

Until i start seeing TF Neckbeards turning into clickers I'm filing this under "Much ado about nothing because Seibertron is desperate for clicks"

Microbes in the ocean have mutated to be able to start digesting plastic now and not just wood and metal. With the amount of plastic we've been pumping above ground, why wouldn't something not in water adapt to eat plastic?

Bun-Bun wrote:

Emerje wrote:Again, it's not changing until we get a statement from Hasbro or Amazon, not a random guy posting on Twitter. I don't care if he's a TFwiki contributer, he's no more an authority than I am. This is by no means scaremongering, this is a real, widespread issue that could potentially be dangerous. The fact that Amazon is giving refunds and exchanges without asking for the figure back is very troubling to me.

Emerje

Read: Not changing it because it's the most hits we've gotten in years

How widespread exactly is it? Because so far all I've seen online is a bunch of people saying they opened theirs because of this and found nothing.

If everyone is claiming mold damage then yeah I can see Amazon not wanting it back without question. I wouldn't be surprised if there is some law against knowingly shipping moldy packages.

Until i start seeing TF Neckbeards turning into clickers I'm filing this under "Much ado about nothing because Seibertron is desperate for clicks"

They are changing! Damnit man, didn't you see my brother's last video? Plastic Zombies everywhere!

Bun-Bun wrote:Read: Not changing it because it's the most hits we've gotten in years

Why on Earth should I care about clicks when I don't get compensated for my work? There's no motivation for me to keep it up aside from thinking it's something important that's worth making people aware of.

And, heck, it's not even the most hits we've gotten in the last two weeks let alone in years.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Hopped on to double-check the OG Armada Megatron gallery for comparison (easier than grabbing my Galvatron off the shelf)... and I saw that the scaremongering clickbait title on the Nacelle article still hasn't been changed. Part of me feels like at this point this site can't be trusted to post news at all.

Again, it's not changing until we get a statement from Hasbro or Amazon, not a random guy posting on Twitter. I don't care if he's a TFwiki contributer, he's no more an authority than I am. This is by no means scaremongering, this is a real, widespread issue that could potentially be dangerous. The fact that Amazon is giving refunds and exchanges without asking for the figure back is very troubling to me.

Emerje

I'm with ya but I seriously doubt either company will release a statement without being forced. I'm willing to storm Hasbro corporate but I'll need someone to cover bail.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Emerje wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Hopped on to double-check the OG Armada Megatron gallery for comparison (easier than grabbing my Galvatron off the shelf)... and I saw that the scaremongering clickbait title on the Nacelle article still hasn't been changed. Part of me feels like at this point this site can't be trusted to post news at all.

Again, it's not changing until we get a statement from Hasbro or Amazon, not a random guy posting on Twitter. I don't care if he's a TFwiki contributer, he's no more an authority than I am. This is by no means scaremongering, this is a real, widespread issue that could potentially be dangerous. The fact that Amazon is giving refunds and exchanges without asking for the figure back is very troubling to me.

Emerje

I'm with ya but I seriously doubt either company will release a statement without being forced. I'm willing to storm Hasbro corporate but I'll need someone to cover bail.

Not a doubt in my mind that this isn't going to be addressed unless someone can corner Hasbro at a live Q&A. So I guess that means the post stays.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:Not a doubt in my mind that this isn't going to be addressed unless someone can corner Hasbro at a live Q&A.

"We understand your concern, and are working to better understand the situation ourselves. We hold our products to a high standard and are looking into making sure that something like this does not happen again. We greatly appreciate our devoted fanbase and wish to continue our current relationship in the foreseeable future. We hope that you stay tuned as we look further into this matter, and that you continue to enjoy our products that we strive to make the best that they can be. Thank you, and have a nice day."

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:Not a doubt in my mind that this isn't going to be addressed unless someone can corner Hasbro at a live Q&A.

"We understand your concern, and are working to better understand the situation ourselves. We hold our products to a high standard and are looking into making sure that something like this does not happen again. We greatly appreciate our devoted fanbase and wish to continue our current relationship in the foreseeable future. We hope that you stay tuned as we look further into this matter, and that you continue to enjoy our products that we strive to make the best that they can be. Thank you, and have a nice day."

That'd be the PR official statement, sure, but you catch Evan with that question and I bet he'd say all kinds of things he isn't supposed to.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:Not a doubt in my mind that this isn't going to be addressed unless someone can corner Hasbro at a live Q&A.

"We understand your concern, and are working to better understand the situation ourselves. We hold our products to a high standard and are looking into making sure that something like this does not happen again. We greatly appreciate our devoted fanbase and wish to continue our current relationship in the foreseeable future. We hope that you stay tuned as we look further into this matter, and that you continue to enjoy our products that we strive to make the best that they can be. Thank you, and have a nice day."

That'd be the PR official statement, sure, but you catch Evan with that question and I bet he'd say all kinds of things he isn't supposed to.

Emerje

"It's Soylent Green."

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:Not a doubt in my mind that this isn't going to be addressed unless someone can corner Hasbro at a live Q&A.

"We understand your concern, and are working to better understand the situation ourselves. We hold our products to a high standard and are looking into making sure that something like this does not happen again. We greatly appreciate our devoted fanbase and wish to continue our current relationship in the foreseeable future. We hope that you stay tuned as we look further into this matter, and that you continue to enjoy our products that we strive to make the best that they can be. Thank you, and have a nice day."

That'd be the PR official statement, sure, but you catch Evan with that question and I bet he'd say all kinds of things he isn't supposed to.

Emerje

"It's Soylent Green."

"I'd really like to tell you guys, but I don't want to end up part of the mold ejector mix for next year's toyline"

When can we expect the next wave and who is a part of the next wave? My sincere thanks!