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Overcracker wrote:Though I do wonder who they are going to retool him into exactly?

I can see Thunderwing in that mold.

Heh that username means your mom XD

Cyber Bishop wrote:

Overcracker wrote:Though I do wonder who they are going to retool him into exactly?

I can see Thunderwing in that mold.

Hmmmmm..... Maybe. And there's even enough space under that cockpit to add a core class "inner bot". Add two big guns, a small gun for the little bot, and maybe some blast effects and you get "Leader" Thunderwing!

i had one g2 comic. and thats the only reason i know this guy. love that head sculpt.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Great character, really stupid name.

testement to Furmans talent that even a character he intended to throw away STILL goes on to be a fan favourite.

i cant wait for the fig myself. its weird. the porportions somehow make him "stompy" looking , making him for more brute like than i expected.

but it IS how he was portrayed in the G2 book and that headsculpt is BANG on.extremely impressive as i doubt yaniger EVER intended him to be made into a toy.

getting a judge dredd vibe off him.

bout the only problem i have is the space/hollowness below the cockpit in jet mode that others noted. if he was to be retooled to a leaderclass Thunderwing with add on drone/weapons it'd make sense, though TBH i thought wed get that from a retooled sky shadow from titans retuns.

that lad was BEGGING for that.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Cyber Bishop wrote:

Overcracker wrote:Though I do wonder who they are going to retool him into exactly?

I can see Thunderwing in that mold.

Hmmmmm..... Maybe. And there's even enough space under that cockpit to add a core class "inner bot". Add two big guns, a small gun for the little bot, and maybe some blast effects and you get "Leader" Thunderwing!

You think Hasbro can get Prime Skyquake out of this mold?

First-Aid wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Cyber Bishop wrote:

Overcracker wrote:Though I do wonder who they are going to retool him into exactly?

I can see Thunderwing in that mold.

Hmmmmm..... Maybe. And there's even enough space under that cockpit to add a core class "inner bot". Add two big guns, a small gun for the little bot, and maybe some blast effects and you get "Leader" Thunderwing!

You think Hasbro can get Prime Skyquake out of this mold?

Possibly yes, but the question is, should they.

ZeroWolf wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Cyber Bishop wrote:

Overcracker wrote:Though I do wonder who they are going to retool him into exactly?

I can see Thunderwing in that mold.

Hmmmmm..... Maybe. And there's even enough space under that cockpit to add a core class "inner bot". Add two big guns, a small gun for the little bot, and maybe some blast effects and you get "Leader" Thunderwing!

You think Hasbro can get Prime Skyquake out of this mold?

Possibly yes, but the question is, should they.

Prime Skyquake's already leaked as coming in the Velocitron line, but as a Leader rather than a Voyager, so he'll probably get his own mold.

Sabrblade wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Cyber Bishop wrote:

Overcracker wrote:Though I do wonder who they are going to retool him into exactly?

I can see Thunderwing in that mold.

Hmmmmm..... Maybe. And there's even enough space under that cockpit to add a core class "inner bot". Add two big guns, a small gun for the little bot, and maybe some blast effects and you get "Leader" Thunderwing!

You think Hasbro can get Prime Skyquake out of this mold?

Possibly yes, but the question is, should they.

Prime Skyquake's already leaked as coming in the Velocitron line, but as a Leader rather than a Voyager, so he'll probably get his own mold.

That's right...I couldn't remember if he was Voyager or leader. That said, most of the Leader classes recently HAVE been essentially voyager sized and the price points increased simply by adding different extra accessories like Blitzwing's giant Energon mitts. I don't know if we can officially rule out that diagnosis yet.

First-Aid wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Cyber Bishop wrote:

Overcracker wrote:Though I do wonder who they are going to retool him into exactly?

I can see Thunderwing in that mold.

Hmmmmm..... Maybe. And there's even enough space under that cockpit to add a core class "inner bot". Add two big guns, a small gun for the little bot, and maybe some blast effects and you get "Leader" Thunderwing!

You think Hasbro can get Prime Skyquake out of this mold?

Possibly yes, but the question is, should they.

Prime Skyquake's already leaked as coming in the Velocitron line, but as a Leader rather than a Voyager, so he'll probably get his own mold.

That's right...I couldn't remember if he was Voyager or leader. That said, most of the Leader classes recently HAVE been essentially voyager sized and the price points increased simply by adding different extra accessories like Blitzwing's giant Energon mitts. I don't know if we can officially rule out that diagnosis yet.

Why not? What's the precedent of a Voyager being upgraded to a leader without adding something substantial to it? The only I can think of was the Walmart Black Convoy (that I never even saw so never had a chance to buy - A Voyager Siege Optimus with an Earthrise trailer.)

This would be retooling a figure from one class to another, and while we can't say it 'would never' happen, I think we can say it's highly unlikely.

First-Aid wrote:That's right...I couldn't remember if he was Voyager or leader. That said, most of the Leader classes recently HAVE been essentially voyager sized and the price points increased simply by adding different extra accessories like Blitzwing's giant Energon mitts. I don't know if we can officially rule out that diagnosis yet.

Blitzwing's a Leader because of his core figure's parts count and complexity. Take away those bonus fist accessories and he's still a Leader. They just threw those in to make him "feel" more worthwhile as a Leader when he really doesn't need them to still be a Leader class.

Sabrblade wrote:

First-Aid wrote:That's right...I couldn't remember if he was Voyager or leader. That said, most of the Leader classes recently HAVE been essentially voyager sized and the price points increased simply by adding different extra accessories like Blitzwing's giant Energon mitts. I don't know if we can officially rule out that diagnosis yet.

Blitzwing's a Leader because of his core figure's parts count and complexity. Take away those bonus fist accessories and he's still a Leader. They just threw those in to make him "feel" more worthwhile as a Leader when he really doesn't need them to still be a Leader class.

True. I guess what I'm trying to say- poorly, I might add (Damnit, I'm an NP not an English professor!)- is that size doesn't make as much of a difference of class as it used to. Leader Galvatron and Laser Prime are essentially the same size/height as Voyager Scourge and Cyclonus. Yes, it's the parts that make the difference, but this could quickly get made up by adding things like wing flaps, detailed folds in tailfins requiring additional joints, etc. With Jhiaxus, I feel like they can mold a lot of the details into the figure, bringing down overall parts count. Skyquake would need more detailing, I think, meaning a higher parts count and a more complex transformation. It makes no sense for Hasbro to make a mold without at least a second use for it planned (see my previous rants on repaints/Seekers and lack of imagination). Thunderwing? Maybe, but there hasn't been any announcement of that. Based on the announced characters, Skyquake seems the most logical choice. Also, if they successfully pull this off, suddenly Hasbro has expanded their production ability, adding the possibility of converting Voyager figures into Leader class and vice versa. Could result in more of the larger class of figs.

Maybe. Who knows.

ZeroWolf wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Cyber Bishop wrote:

Overcracker wrote:Though I do wonder who they are going to retool him into exactly?

I can see Thunderwing in that mold.

Hmmmmm..... Maybe. And there's even enough space under that cockpit to add a core class "inner bot". Add two big guns, a small gun for the little bot, and maybe some blast effects and you get "Leader" Thunderwing!

You think Hasbro can get Prime Skyquake out of this mold?

Possibly yes, but the question is, should they.

No, they should not. They don't need to anyways since Skyquake is literally a Seeker mold. He already has a redeco built in of an even more popular character. The only thing I am dreading though is his G1-ification. We saw the reasoning behind Arcee's G1-ification, and Knockout comes from a G1 mold (Bulkhead has Optimus Rumours) but Skyquake's reuse is another Prime character. I really hope he looks closer to his Prime counterpart than any of the other Prime characters.

william-james88 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Cyber Bishop wrote:

Overcracker wrote:Though I do wonder who they are going to retool him into exactly?

I can see Thunderwing in that mold.

Hmmmmm..... Maybe. And there's even enough space under that cockpit to add a core class "inner bot". Add two big guns, a small gun for the little bot, and maybe some blast effects and you get "Leader" Thunderwing!

You think Hasbro can get Prime Skyquake out of this mold?

Possibly yes, but the question is, should they.

No, they should not. They don't need to anyways since Skyquake is literally a Seeker mold. He already has a redeco built in of an even more popular character. The only thing I am dreading though is his G1-ification. We saw the reasoning behind Arcee's G1-ification, and Knockout comes from a G1 mold (Bulkhead has Optimus Rumours) but Skyquake's reuse is another Prime character. I really hope he looks closer to his Prime counterpart than any of the other Prime characters.

"G1-ification" isn't really a good name for what's happening to the Prime characters in Legacy IMO. G1, RiD 2001, UT have all been roughly similar in boxy shapes used, but Prime and Animated feature a whole lot more curves in their designs, and comparatively speaking really stand out. Plus curves into blocky altmodes... yeah... Maybe "boxy streamlining?"

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Cyber Bishop wrote:

Overcracker wrote:Though I do wonder who they are going to retool him into exactly?

I can see Thunderwing in that mold.

Hmmmmm..... Maybe. And there's even enough space under that cockpit to add a core class "inner bot". Add two big guns, a small gun for the little bot, and maybe some blast effects and you get "Leader" Thunderwing!

You think Hasbro can get Prime Skyquake out of this mold?

Possibly yes, but the question is, should they.

No, they should not. They don't need to anyways since Skyquake is literally a Seeker mold. He already has a redeco built in of an even more popular character. The only thing I am dreading though is his G1-ification. We saw the reasoning behind Arcee's G1-ification, and Knockout comes from a G1 mold (Bulkhead has Optimus Rumours) but Skyquake's reuse is another Prime character. I really hope he looks closer to his Prime counterpart than any of the other Prime characters.

"G1-ification" isn't really a good name for what's happening to the Prime characters in Legacy IMO. G1, RiD 2001, UT have all been roughly similar in boxy shapes used, but Prime and Animated feature a whole lot more curves in their designs, and comparatively speaking really stand out. Plus curves into blocky altmodes... yeah... Maybe "boxy streamlining?"

"Boxy streamlining" doesn't leave any room for the G1 cheap shot.

sol magnus wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:"G1-ification" isn't really a good name for what's happening to the Prime characters in Legacy IMO. G1, RiD 2001, UT have all been roughly similar in boxy shapes used, but Prime and Animated feature a whole lot more curves in their designs, and comparatively speaking really stand out. Plus curves into blocky altmodes... yeah... Maybe "boxy streamlining?"

"Boxy streamlining" doesn't leave any room for the G1 cheap shot.

Exactly!

sol magnus wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Cyber Bishop wrote:

Overcracker wrote:Though I do wonder who they are going to retool him into exactly?

I can see Thunderwing in that mold.

Hmmmmm..... Maybe. And there's even enough space under that cockpit to add a core class "inner bot". Add two big guns, a small gun for the little bot, and maybe some blast effects and you get "Leader" Thunderwing!

You think Hasbro can get Prime Skyquake out of this mold?

Possibly yes, but the question is, should they.

No, they should not. They don't need to anyways since Skyquake is literally a Seeker mold. He already has a redeco built in of an even more popular character. The only thing I am dreading though is his G1-ification. We saw the reasoning behind Arcee's G1-ification, and Knockout comes from a G1 mold (Bulkhead has Optimus Rumours) but Skyquake's reuse is another Prime character. I really hope he looks closer to his Prime counterpart than any of the other Prime characters.

"G1-ification" isn't really a good name for what's happening to the Prime characters in Legacy IMO. G1, RiD 2001, UT have all been roughly similar in boxy shapes used, but Prime and Animated feature a whole lot more curves in their designs, and comparatively speaking really stand out. Plus curves into blocky altmodes... yeah... Maybe "boxy streamlining?"

"Boxy streamlining" doesn't leave any room for the G1 cheap shot.

It's not a cheap shot, they ARE G1-ifying those designs.

Rtron wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Cyber Bishop wrote:

Overcracker wrote:Though I do wonder who they are going to retool him into exactly?

I can see Thunderwing in that mold.

Hmmmmm..... Maybe. And there's even enough space under that cockpit to add a core class "inner bot". Add two big guns, a small gun for the little bot, and maybe some blast effects and you get "Leader" Thunderwing!

You think Hasbro can get Prime Skyquake out of this mold?

Possibly yes, but the question is, should they.

No, they should not. They don't need to anyways since Skyquake is literally a Seeker mold. He already has a redeco built in of an even more popular character. The only thing I am dreading though is his G1-ification. We saw the reasoning behind Arcee's G1-ification, and Knockout comes from a G1 mold (Bulkhead has Optimus Rumours) but Skyquake's reuse is another Prime character. I really hope he looks closer to his Prime counterpart than any of the other Prime characters.

"G1-ification" isn't really a good name for what's happening to the Prime characters in Legacy IMO. G1, RiD 2001, UT have all been roughly similar in boxy shapes used, but Prime and Animated feature a whole lot more curves in their designs, and comparatively speaking really stand out. Plus curves into blocky altmodes... yeah... Maybe "boxy streamlining?"

"Boxy streamlining" doesn't leave any room for the G1 cheap shot.

It's not a cheap shot, they ARE G1-ifying those designs.

The term is being used for a cheap shot. I'm aware they're doing "boxy streamlining."

G1 Arcee is just as curvy as the Prime characters. If they can make her over and over again without any need for any "boxy streamlining", then there is no excuse for how they chose to make the Prime characters the way they did.

Sabrblade wrote:G1 Arcee is just as curvy as the Prime characters. If they can make her over and over again without any need for any "boxy streamlining", then there is no excuse for how they chose to make the Prime characters the way they did.

I have no reprimand for this comment.

Also,

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:"G1-ification" isn't really a good name for what's happening to the Prime characters in Legacy IMO.

No, it pretty much is. In the Pulse video from late last year, Mark Maher said the following about the design aesthetic of the Legacy line:

"I mean, Transformers, we have such rich history. It's like forty years of just characters from all different, like, universes. I mean, the style and design aesthetics of each universe has its own feel and look. So, you know, early on, John Warden put the seeds in the ground for this and, uh, our design director, Michelino, actually really took the team together and was was like, 'We need something fresh and new for Generations.' So we're taking all of these characters from all of these different continuities, and we're trying to, like, almost like, place them into a universe of their own, which is basically Legacy. And, of course, having, like, a heavy G1 influence because, you know, I love G1, so."

Sabrblade wrote:G1 Arcee is just as curvy as the Prime characters. If they can make her over and over again without any need for any "boxy streamlining", then there is no excuse for how they chose to make the Prime characters the way they did.

........................................^^^ THIS! ^^^

I couldn't care either way on this topic because I wouldn't have purchased regardless, but I will say that it might simply be due to them wanting to reuse those molds for other bots in the future that aren't from Prime. So if they were to maintain that style if would limit their use for future releases, and it's simple choice of being fiscally conscious rather than being either pro G1 or anti prime.

If Knockout etc. had been Prime accurate how often could they truly utilize the molds outside of Prime being that their design is very stylistic? I genuinely ask because I don't know as I've not watched that show.