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fenrir72 wrote:kindly enumerate which of the 1984 was garbage?

He was kidding.

Nemesis Primal wrote:Scavenger is vastly underrated,

there's rubber treads (functional ones, unlike on RotF Demolishor or Rampage)

Woah, really? I am surprised because everyone was saying that Gen Leader Megatron was the first toy to have working treads since BW Rampage.

Hellscream9999 wrote:Careful, it's got a whole gallery

-Kanrabat- wrote:To bad the combined mode is a joke.

But thats because it is a joke, a fan joke. Even though these toys were redecos of part of a combiner (liokaiser), they were not sold with the intention of combining them. But since we fans know they can partly combine, it became a joke to do so and give an unfinished combiner. But its not an official combiner, more of a fan mode.

If you guys want the worse intentional combiner, check out the armada mcdonalds one:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Airachnid should have been #1. That toy is the worst I own, and she is the definition of bad. I agree with a fair amount of your list though Will, so I applaud our agreements.

Wow, if thats your worse, your pretty lucky. Any others on this list that you own?

I see some new mentions above and I think it would be even better if we included pics for people to see whats being discussed such as :

Transformers Armada Smokescreen (Grab)



He looks cool, whats bad about him?

Transformers Dark of the Moon Catilla



To be fair, I think all of those are pretty terrible, that triceratops in robot mode

But their minicon ports work in beast mode and those are quite nice!


Transformers Dark of the Moon Catilla Gallery

Plus I now learnt that catilla was also a G1 toy, looks pretty cool, very MOTU:


Transformers G1 1988 Catilla Gallery

And then Amelie mentionned G1 Guzzle. Yeah, pretty rough that for it to work you have to scrape the robot mode. But the movie line gave us an awesome update so that we dont need to anymore



Seriously, avoiding the movie lines make you miss out on some awesome gems. This guy and ROTF Bludgeon to me are as good as it gets for Classic updates to G1 toys.

Oh and while the order of the list is obviously debatable, when you get to having to rank these terrible toys I looked at it as comparing how bad they were to their lines. Like Titanium GiJoe Megatron is the worst of a line that is overall pretty terrible (though I think it shouldnt be totally ignored, I like the Fallen). But Animated Voyager Megatron is from one of the most screen accurate and innovative TF lines of all time. And I have such a hard time believing that the same teams that came up with voyager Optimus also thought up this guy. At least Titanium Megatron has a distinctive alt mode. This guy doesnt, and its not even like the one we see on the show.

I just found him more of a glaring insult to the line than Titanium Megatron. He's more upsetting since the people doing it clearly knew better, but thats personal.

Also, I am really happy no one mentionned MP Megatron so far. I always admired the work and found both modes quite imposing in their own way.

Darthshadow wrote:
I think every other toy is just terrible. They Michael Bay influenced garbage with far too much kibble and horrendous looks.

Er, Michael Bay didn't actually design most of the Movieverse characters.

That was actually special-effects artist and designer Ben Procter: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Ben_Procter

So, I mean.

CombaticonsCombine? wrote:That was actually special-effects artist and designer Ben Procter: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Ben_Procter

So, I mean.

If you study his designs, does that make you a Procterologist?

CombaticonsCombine? wrote:

Darthshadow wrote:
I think every other toy is just terrible. They Michael Bay influenced garbage with far too much kibble and horrendous looks.

Er, Michael Bay didn't actually design most of the Movieverse characters.

That was actually special-effects artist and designer Ben Procter: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Ben_Procter

So, I mean.

Way back, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY back in 2005, 2006. Michael Bay had input in those designs, he was the Director, don't let it fool you that he had no say into what we see.

Bay's involvement was probably initial ideas and then feedback, but Steven Spielberg was also there and allowed it all to happen. Bay is a symptom of the movies not the cause, but being a public figure I guess makes him the big target.

Now what else...

@kanabat you may mock the rescue force but it's still more official uses of the liokaiser molds then other places in the west got. Hooray for g1.5

Also that macdonalds toy, now I know that macdonalds toys are bad by nature but that's just...really bad.

william-james88 wrote:If you guys want the worse intentional combiner, check out the armada mcdonalds one:
*snip*

GAH! I know McDonalds toys aren't the best, but GAH!

*snip*
To be fair, I think all of those are pretty terrible, that triceratops in robot mode

But their minicon ports work in beast mode and those are quite nice!

As questionable as those Minicons are, they make great buddies for PCC Grimstone (and AoE Slog), but aftermarket prices are utterly insane. I paid $6 for Rav way back when, which I thought was kinda crazy, but now....

Dear Primus... That price...

Ironhidensh wrote:6) prime Cliffjumper. The 1st and only Prime toy I bough. QC was bad enough to scare me off of the rest of the line.

Too bad Cliffjumper gave you a tough time and made you sour over the line. I love the line myself, but that is very biased towards the fact that this is when I got back into Transformers (I didnt like the initial movie aesthetic and that kept me away for a while).

Would you mind telling me which cliffjumper it was? There were two and one was a phenominal toy, in my opinion.


Transformers Prime: Robots In Disguise Cliffjumper Gallery

Noideaforaname wrote:As questionable as those Minicons are, they make great buddies for PCC Grimstone (and AoE Slog), but aftermarket prices are utterly insane. I paid $6 for Rav way back when, which I thought was kinda crazy, but now....

Yeah, those aftermarket prices But they have been reissued so the molds are easy to get. I got to experience them through the recent AOE Evolution packs at TRU.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Darthshadow wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Darthshadow wrote:"waaaaaaah!"

Maybe you'll find yourself more at home at 4chan's /toy/?

Yeah that's not trying to be intentionally antagonistic now is it?

If you want REAL antagonistic behavior, go over there. You'll see, it's pure madness.

/toy/ soldier here, it really isn't that bad save for a few bad eggs. Unless you actually go out of your way to stir sh*t up it's pretty civil.

Seriously, if /toy/ is your idea of "pure madness" you need to get off the internet.

william-james88 wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Airachnid should have been #1. That toy is the worst I own, and she is the definition of bad. I agree with a fair amount of your list though Will, so I applaud our agreements.

Wow, if thats your worse, your pretty lucky. Any others on this list that you own?

After reading your arguments and also watching the thread for transformers garbage, I do agree. Now with regards to your question: 5 of those predate my involvement with transformers and 4 predate my actual collecting of them, so I can only speak for Airachnid in the list. I always thought animated Megs had some sweet toys and the legion Jazz was oh so lazy, plus I never got the power core combiners cause A) not much money and B) I didn't like the aesthetic of those. and I have watched the reviews and that doubleclutch is so hated it's almost funny.

So I can't say I handled the toys on the list to agree with you, but the arguments and the reviews I have watched convince me this is a good list

So does this mean there's going to be a best list in the near future?

Also anyone ever thought of doing a yearly list looking over the past year for the wost/disappointing tfs?

Darthshadow wrote:
Way back, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY back in 2005, 2006. Michael Bay had input in those designs, he was the Director, don't let it fool you that he had no say into what we see.

You do realize that it was Bay who made the order to make Optimus Prime design look like Optimus instead of what the had before.


He only had some word though it was the artists who made the designs not Bay.

Deadput wrote:

Darthshadow wrote:
Way back, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY back in 2005, 2006. Michael Bay had input in those designs, he was the Director, don't let it fool you that he had no say into what we see.

You do realize that it was Bay who made the order to make Optimus Prime design look like Optimus instead of what the had before.


He only had some word though it was the artists who made the designs not Bay.

Wrong, it was Hasbro who insisted on the look for Optimus to resemble Optimus. Michael Bay is the reason Optimus got his lame flames.

Hasbro insisted that Optimus must be red and blue, with windows on his chest and the head look the way it did.

Bay insisted on it being a long nose truck to get the height he wanted and the blue flames.

ZeroWolf wrote:So does this mean there's going to be a best list in the near future?

Also anyone ever thought of doing a yearly list looking over the past year for the wost/disappointing tfs?

Well the best of list is what every other list is about, but split amongst alt modes, eras and characteristics. So some of the best Transformers ever are featured in the Best Helicopter list (which has a movie toy as the number 1 toy and rightfully so), Best Tank list (also featuring a movie toy as number 1) and best G1 toy updates list.

So pretty much the best list is about a hundred or more toys long and split amongst all the lists

And who cares about who designed the movie characters, in the end, it wont change what we feel about the designs, it only changes who we blame for it.

Will I meant a best of all time list

Also I feel that the movie designs are different but that's not a bad thing, I mean who honestly thought they were getting G1 toon in live action? Movieverse us now it's own thing and rests comfortably next to other styles like aligned, beast machines, unicron trilogy and all the rest.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Careful, it's got a whole gallery

-Kanrabat- wrote:To bad the combined mode is a joke.

But thats because it is a joke, a fan joke. Even though these toys were redecos of part of a combiner (liokaiser), they were not sold with the intention of combining them. But since we fans know they can partly combine, it became a joke to do so and give an unfinished combiner. But its not an official combiner, more of a fan mode.

If you guys want the worse intentional combiner, check out the armada mcdonalds one:

OMFG, what is that!


And yeah, I learned about the Liokaiser thing. Baffling that they'd release only HALF a combiner.

OOOOOHHHHH GOD! It hurts, I had forgotten about that woeful sack of trash

ZeroWolf wrote:Will I meant a best of all time list

Oh I know what you meant But its the same answer. There wont be an all time best list because there's just too many and opinions are all over the place. If you want one, there was one done but it was done through a survey to a bunch of fans and the number one pic has a receny bias. I dont want to do it that way, so instead I am giving a list of the best just one bit at a time. I wrote up a list of the best car transformers and that alone felt like a best of all time list, but that wont be up for a while and long after people have forgotten I ever talked of one

Also, for the question about making a worst of each year, I feel we did tackle it in the year end discussion. Mine for last year was Breakdown, who I dislike much more than Motormaster (who I dont mind as much as most). My biggest dissapointment though is Roadrage/Tracks. Not garbage by any means, but a far cry from what I would expect in the masterpiece line. There were sacrifices made for toon accuracy that feel forced to me. And I dont feel the 50$ I spent on it was well spent.

As for 2014, the worst is on this list, First Edition Prime, especially for the money being asked for him.

Worse of 2013 is between Voyager Predaking and Voyager Blitzwing, I'm not sure.

Worse of 2012 was airachnid (followed by FOC Ravage)

william-james88 wrote:
Worse of 2012 was airachnid (followed by FOC Ravage)

Oh wow I forgot about Ravage. I own that figure and it is such a pain in the ass! I hate transforming him or even messing with him. He is staying with FoC Soundblaster (as my G1 Soundwave) but I am getting the titans return version of him for my Lost Light shelf. anything should be an improvement on that thing

Darthshadow wrote:
Wrong, it was Hasbro who insisted on the look for Optimus to resemble Optimus. Michael Bay is the reason Optimus got his lame flames.

Hasbro insisted that Optimus must be red and blue, with windows on his chest and the head look the way it did.

Bay insisted on it being a long nose truck to get the height he wanted and the blue flames.

Not wrong have you ever watched the behind the scenes?


Hasbro had a little input but Bay did ask for a more Optimus like design.

This is what Hasbro asked for





and this is what Bay asked for





If it makes you feel better Speilberg originally wanted all the Transformers to be grey and to not talk at all which Bay disagreed with.

william-james88 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Will I meant a best of all time list

Oh I know what you meant But its the same answer. There wont be an all time best list because there's just too many and opinions are all over the place. If you want one, there was one done but it was done through a survey to a bunch of fans and the number one pic has a receny bias. I dont want to do it that way, so instead I am giving a list of the best just one bit at a time. I wrote up a list of the best car transformers and that alone felt like a best of all time list, but that wont be up for a while and long after people have forgotten I ever talked of one

Also, for the question about making a worst of each year, I feel we did tackle it in the year end discussion. Mine for last year was Breakdown, who I dislike much more than Motormaster (who I dont mind as much as most). My biggest dissapointment though is Roadrage/Tracks. Not garbage by any means, but a far cry from what I would expect in the masterpiece line. There were sacrifices made for toon accuracy that feel forced to me. And I dont feel the 50$ I spent on it was well spent.

As for 2014, the worst is on this list, First Edition Prime, especially for the money being asked for him.

Worse of 2013 is between Voyager Predaking and Voyager Blitzwing, I'm not sure.

Worse of 2012 was airachnid (followed by FOC Ravage)

Ah I understand then

I agree with those end of year rundowns though I own voyager predaking, though I want to replace him with the upscaled commander cyber verse one they did as it looks far better.

Dmax@ couldn't you track down the ravage that came with universe 2.0 hound and use that one as the lost light ravage?

ZeroWolf wrote:
Dmax@ couldn't you track down the ravage that came with universe 2.0 hound and use that one as the lost light ravage?

Eh, I could, but I really have hopes for the titans return version (I'm good with Stripes, so I should be good with Ravage). Plus that one will have a mode where it can move by itself and not need a ride.

And My Prime Predaking is a bit fiddly and is not one of my favorites, but to me it is not that bad, just not as good as it could have been

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:
Dmax@ couldn't you track down the ravage that came with universe 2.0 hound and use that one as the lost light ravage?

Eh, I could, but I really have hopes for the titans return version (I'm good with Stripes, so I should be good with Ravage). Plus that one will have a mode where it can move by itself and not need a ride.

And My Prime Predaking is a bit fiddly and is not one of my favorites, but to me it is not that bad, just not as good as it could have been

no problem

Does anybody know how the optimus prime upscale turned out?