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News Credits: 1 · by **RhA** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:00 am

wilcosu35 wrote:
Nemesis Maximo wrote:Forgive my American ingorance of other cultures, but isn't pepernoten some kind of cookie?

something like that

Pepernoot
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Pepernoot
Course Dessert
Place of origin Netherlands
Main ingredients

Flour
Sugar
Aniseed
Cinnamon
Cloves

A pepernoot ['peːpərnoːt] (plural: pepernoten ['peːpərnoːtə]) (literally, "pepper nuts", the Dutch equivalent of Pfeffernüsse) is a cookie-like kind of confectionery, traditionally associated with the early December Sinterklaas holiday in the Netherlands.

They are light brown, round shaped, and made from the same ingredients as taai-taai: flour, sugar, anise, cinnamon, and clove. They are fairly chewy, though they harden gradually when exposed to the air.

A particularly distinct custom associated with pepernoten is throwing them in handfuls through the room so children can look for them. Originally this is an ancient fertility symbol (like a farmer sowing seeds) not unlike throwing rice at a marriage.

and the other ones, also usually called pepernoten, are kruidnoten

Kruidnoten (Dutch pronunciation: [ˈkrœytnoːtə(n)]) are a cookie-like confectionery, traditionally associated with the early December Sinterklaas holiday in the Netherlands.

The term kruidnoten is often confused with pepernoten.[1][2] Kruidnoten, which translates to "spice nuts" in English, are harder, have a different colour and shape, and are made with the same ingredients as speculoos.[3]

Another variety of kruidnoten, called chocolade-kruidnoten, are covered in either milk, dark, or white chocolate.[4]

Drown 'em in chocolate and go nuts.

News Credits: 6188 · by **Va'al** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:04 am

Shadowman wrote:(Which, in itself, still featured gift-giving; for instance, gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh)

And that's the Epiphany/Three Kings tradition still standing in some countries.

RhA wrote:
wilcosu35 wrote:
Nemesis Maximo wrote:Forgive my American ingorance of other cultures, but isn't pepernoten some kind of cookie?

something like that

Drown 'em in chocolate and go nuts.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:43 am

Nemesis Maximo wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Nemesis Maximo wrote:Honestly, Christmas is named for Jesus Christ, and is supposed to be about celebrating his birth.

It's an amalgamation of numerous winter-based holidays, all of which took place around the same time as Christmas. (Which, in itself, still featured gift-giving; for instance, gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh) So in a weird way, it could still be seen as a time of togetherness, not just of people, but of their various holiday celebrations.

That's a good point, Shadowman. A very good point.

Also, I think one of the other holidays you're talking about was some pagen thing, and way back when the Catholic Church was deciding when it wanted Christmas placed on the Julio-Gregorian calender, they replaced this pagen day with Christmas. For obvious reasons.

First off, Pagan, two A's.

Second "Julio-Gregorian calendar" isn't a real thing; you're in fact mixing two different (Although similar) calendars, the defunct Julian Calendar, and the Gregorian Calendar everyone uses.

Third and final: The Pagan tradition was called Yule, and in case the name didn't tip you off, (Or my repeated use of the word "Amalgamation") they didn't replace it. Yule became a major facet of Christmas. Yule even lasts 12 Days, so now you know where that comes from.

News Credits: 6188 · by **Va'al** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 7:29 am

Have some Izzard.

by **Nemesis Maximo** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:28 am

Shadowman wrote:
Nemesis Maximo wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Nemesis Maximo wrote:Honestly, Christmas is named for Jesus Christ, and is supposed to be about celebrating his birth.

It's an amalgamation of numerous winter-based holidays, all of which took place around the same time as Christmas. (Which, in itself, still featured gift-giving; for instance, gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh) So in a weird way, it could still be seen as a time of togetherness, not just of people, but of their various holiday celebrations.

That's a good point, Shadowman. A very good point.

Also, I think one of the other holidays you're talking about was some pagen thing, and way back when the Catholic Church was deciding when it wanted Christmas placed on the Julio-Gregorian calender, they replaced this pagen day with Christmas. For obvious reasons.

First off, Pagan, two A's.

Go f*** yourself. With a cactus.

Shadowman wrote:Second "Julio-Gregorian calendar" isn't a real thing; you're in fact mixing two different (Although similar) calendars, the defunct Julian Calendar, and the Gregorian Calendar everyone uses.

Yes, but (a) you knew what I was talking about, and (b) the biggest difference between the two is the placement of the months within the year, and the beginning and end of the year itself.

Shadowman wrote:Third and final: The Pagan tradition was called Yule, and in case the name didn't tip you off, (Or my repeated use of the word "Amalgamation") they didn't replace it. Yule became a major facet of Christmas. Yule even lasts 12 Days, so now you know where that comes from.

they may not have succeeded in replacing the other holidays, but that was their intent. It even extended to the English Puritan Parliament, between 1649 and 1660, attempting to ban Christmas celebrations outright because they considered it to be nothing more than pompous...pomp...

And in 1659, in Colonial America, the Puritans actually DID outlay the celebration of Christmas, going as far as to change "merry Christmas" into "happy holidays" (now you know where that comes from) and calling Christmas Trees "holiday trees."

News Credits: 16 · by **It Is Him** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:49 pm

I hope you guys invite me to your BBQ after you get all that coal you didn't ask for

News Credits: 6188 · by **Va'al** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 2:04 pm

That's coal(d), man.

News Credits: 16 · by **It Is Him** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:41 pm

Va'al wrote:That's coal(d), man.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:45 pm

Nemesis Maximo wrote:they may not have succeeded in replacing the other holidays, but that was their intent. It even extended to the English Puritan Parliament, between 1649 and 1660, attempting to ban Christmas celebrations outright because they considered it to be nothing more than pompous...pomp...

And in 1659, in Colonial America, the Puritans actually DID outlay the celebration of Christmas, going as far as to change "merry Christmas" into "happy holidays" (now you know where that comes from) and calling Christmas Trees "holiday trees."

The Puritans had nothing to do with the Christianization of Europe. They were, however, major religious extremists who got pissed that the Church of England wasn't outlawing Catholicism, and broke off to form their own country. They were the Tea Party, so yes, of course they started outlawing things for silly reasons. (They outlawed Christmas because they associated it with idoltry. Apparently Jesus doesn't get a pass for the Second Commandment)

News Credits: 23 · by **Madeus Prime** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 7:19 pm

I'm sorry but this is a full-blown, four-alarm holiday emergency here. We're gonna press on, and we're gonna have the hap, hap, happiest Christmas since Bing Crosby tap-danced with Danny ******* Kaye. And when Santa squeezes his fat white *** down that chimney tonight, he's gonna find the jolliest bunch of ***holes this side of the nuthouse.

:DANCE:

Christmas, you can feel the togetherness in the air.

by **Nemesis Maximo** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 7:44 pm

Madeus Prime wrote:I'm sorry but this is a full-blown, four-alarm holiday emergency here. We're gonna press on, and we're gonna have the hap, hap, happiest Christmas since Bing Crosby tap-danced with Danny ******* Kaye. And when Santa squeezes his fat white *** down that chimney tonight, he's gonna find the jolliest bunch of ***holes this side of the nuthouse!

News Credits: 23 · by **Madeus Prime** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:28 am

I'm going into Sly mode guys...we've only had half an inch of snow in the entirety of the month. I'm feeling the Grinch and Scrooge within...

News Credits: 6188 · by **Va'al** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:44 am

Haven't had snow in two, maybe three years.

Let It Go.

by **Nemesis Maximo** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:40 am

Va'al wrote:Let It Go.

U mad, brah?

News Credits: 13 · by **OptimalOptimus2** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:24 am

NO! Not that song!

News Credits: 6188 · by **Va'al** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 1:32 pm

That is precisely what I intended to unleash upon this thread.

That, and the following.

News Credits: 1350 · by **ZeroWolf** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:46 pm

There's no snow were I am here in the UK, but that may be a good thing as kids go a bit crazy with the snow like try to get in your house crazy before giving up and posting snow through the letter box

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:56 pm

Madeus Prime wrote:I'm going into Sly mode guys...we've only had half an inch of snow in the entirety of the month. I'm feeling the Grinch and Scrooge within...

Boo **** hoo.

We count Christmas as good if we don't have the impending thread of a destructive cyclone. So dislodge your selfish head from your selfish ass, get the **** over it and enjoy Christmas the way it's meant to be enjoyed you ungrateful git!

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:08 pm

Madeus Prime wrote:I'm going into Sly mode guys...we've only had half an inch of snow in the entirety of the month. I'm feeling the Grinch and Scrooge within...

I know the feels, bro. It snowed like crazy last month, but it's mid-December, and the most we've had is a light dusting. And that's really weird for the state of Michigan. A far cry from what the Arctic did to us last year.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:11 pm

Burn wrote:
Madeus Prime wrote:I'm going into Sly mode guys...we've only had half an inch of snow in the entirety of the month. I'm feeling the Grinch and Scrooge within...

Boo **** hoo.

We count Christmas as good if we don't have the impending thread of a destructive cyclone. So dislodge your selfish head from your selfish ass, get the **** over it and enjoy Christmas the way it's meant to be enjoyed you ungrateful git!

That might be because your country is so savage and uncivilized, you don't even understand what season you're supposed to be experiencing.

by **Nemesis Maximo** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:34 pm

Shadowman wrote:
Madeus Prime wrote:I'm going into Sly mode guys...we've only had half an inch of snow in the entirety of the month. I'm feeling the Grinch and Scrooge within...

I know the feels, bro. It snowed like crazy last month, but it's mid-December, and the most we've had is a light dusting. And that's really weird for the state of Michigan. A far cry from what the Arctic did to us last year.

At least we in Michigan are mostly well equipped for our hard ass winters. Not like Atlanta.

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:38 pm

Shadowman wrote:
Burn wrote:
Madeus Prime wrote:I'm going into Sly mode guys...we've only had half an inch of snow in the entirety of the month. I'm feeling the Grinch and Scrooge within...

Boo **** hoo.

We count Christmas as good if we don't have the impending thread of a destructive cyclone. So dislodge your selfish head from your selfish ass, get the **** over it and enjoy Christmas the way it's meant to be enjoyed you ungrateful git!

That might be because your country is so savage and uncivilized, you don't even understand what season you're supposed to be experiencing.

Yeah we do, summer, and the slightly cooler one.

by **Nemesis Maximo** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:31 pm

Burn wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Burn wrote:
Madeus Prime wrote:I'm going into Sly mode guys...we've only had half an inch of snow in the entirety of the month. I'm feeling the Grinch and Scrooge within...

Boo **** hoo.

We count Christmas as good if we don't have the impending thread of a destructive cyclone. So dislodge your selfish head from your selfish ass, get the **** over it and enjoy Christmas the way it's meant to be enjoyed you ungrateful git!

That might be because your country is so savage and uncivilized, you don't even understand what season you're supposed to be experiencing.

Yeah we do, summer, and the slightly cooler one.

On other words: scorching heat, and searing heat.