Video Review of Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Leader Class Ultra Magnus
Saturday, December 29th, 2018 3:51AM CST
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This video gives us a good look at the transformation and several size comparisons to Rodimus Prime and Optimus Prime from the Power of the Primes toy line.
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Posted by Nathaniel Prime on December 29th, 2018 @ 4:05am CST
Posted by reluctantyouth on December 29th, 2018 @ 6:49am CST
I just ordered voyager Megs off Hasbro at 6:35 am central time 12.29.18 and code buzzbuzz still working! Free shipping still too!
Posted by Emerje on December 29th, 2018 @ 7:09am CST
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Posted by no-one on December 29th, 2018 @ 7:36am CST
Thanks for the tip about the extra off, I jumpedEmerje wrote:HTS code HASFAM18 still works and will get you a better deal ($6 off) each Voyager and free shipping instead of $4.50 from BUZZBUZZ. Ordered both Prime and Megatron for $50 and some change after tax.
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Posted by Nemesis Maximo on December 29th, 2018 @ 8:12am CST
He looks good, don’t get me wrong, just short. I think I’ll be okay keeping my CW Magnus on my shelf.
Posted by TF-fan kev777 on December 29th, 2018 @ 8:32am CST
Nemesis Maximo wrote:Oh God, he’s so tiny. Barely bigger than a Voyager.
He looks good, don’t get me wrong, just short. I think I’ll be okay keeping my CW Magnus on my shelf.
Yeah, this review just put Siege UM on the no thanks list for me too. Way too small.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 29th, 2018 @ 8:45am CST
Nemesis Maximo wrote:Oh God, he’s so tiny. Barely bigger than a Voyager.
He looks good, don’t get me wrong, just short. I think I’ll be okay keeping my CW Magnus on my shelf.
I do have CW leader Magnus. And the siege one will look FANTASTIC at his side. Both are clearly different and having the return of White Optimus with his power armor just stroke me the right way.
Posted by Randomhero on December 29th, 2018 @ 9:09am CST
Nemesis Maximo wrote:Oh God, he’s so tiny. Barely bigger than a Voyager.
He looks good, don’t get me wrong, just short. I think I’ll be okay keeping my CW Magnus on my shelf.
Hasbro and takara are basing it off the official scale guide used back in the original cartoon. Leader class isn’t about height this time around. It’s giving you the closest accurately scaled figures and adding stuff like the Magnus armor and shockwaves battle upgrade. Just like how the legends class has been replaced with micromasters.
Posted by Skritz on December 29th, 2018 @ 10:28am CST
Edit: Want the perfect example of a recent Leader figure that could have been better if he had been made smaller and more intricate? Sixshot.
Posted by Rodimus Prime on December 29th, 2018 @ 10:38am CST
Posted by Skritz on December 29th, 2018 @ 10:45am CST
Rodimus Prime wrote:I've been going back and forth on this figure, and the video pretty much swung it to the 'should get' side. I already thought that the PoTP leaders were too big and clumsy, and the comparison to this figure just reinforces that. I don't care for the vehicle mode, but the Ultra Magnus mode looks great. If I see it, I will buy it.
Yeah I'M pretty much on the same boat, which is why I still ended up skipping POTP Optimus Prime and Rodimus.
Posted by starrhero on December 29th, 2018 @ 10:46am CST
TF-fan kev777 wrote:Siege Voyagers are back in stock on HasbroToyShop.com and the 15% of BUZZBUZZ code is still available too. I jumped after kicking myself for a few weeks when I passed at 20% off and patiently waited for them to return. (okay, impatiently waited)
The other 2 micromaster teams have also come back in stock as of now. Now we wait for the deluxes.
Posted by Lore Keeper on December 29th, 2018 @ 10:52am CST
Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 29th, 2018 @ 11:03am CST
Lore Keeper wrote:I don't have an issue with Magnus and Shockwave being small for the sake of scale. It makes for a great display piece. My issue is the question of whether this is $50 worth of toy. Are we getting a similar value for our dollar? If they want to shrink down their toys, fine. Just reduce the price accordingly.
The "size" is no argument. Sure, the material do count, but prices of everything do increase and it's enough that transformers became 1/3 more expensive already. The price should not double right away. We saw that transition between ROTF and DOTM. It's happening again but not as much.
At least, the quality of the toys themselves did increase since last time. We see more engeneering and more paint than ever before. Plus now leader class mean more than just size. As seen in the SS line, it also mean parts count and mass. So despite Magnus and Shockwave being basically voyagers, they come whit a whole armor set. Thus justifying their class. And I think it's perfect this way.
Posted by Randomhero on December 29th, 2018 @ 11:20am CST
Lore Keeper wrote:I don't have an issue with Magnus and Shockwave being small for the sake of scale. It makes for a great display piece. My issue is the question of whether this is $50 worth of toy. Are we getting a similar value for our dollar? If they want to shrink down their toys, fine. Just reduce the price accordingly.
Again. Stop comparing them to previous leader class figures. That’s not this line. Are they voyager size? Yes. Is that the only thing coming in the package? No. You’re getting a weaponizers gimmick as well. Magnus comes with his armor with parts that can work with others and so is Shockwave. Shockwave comes with his own complete weaponizer stuff that is completely interchangeable with everyone else in this line and can be turned into a hover craft as well.
That’s the leader class gimmick. If you’re not happy with it and choose to ignore that aspect that’s your fault and problem not the toy or company’s
Posted by Lore Keeper on December 29th, 2018 @ 11:25am CST
Randomhero wrote:Lore Keeper wrote:I don't have an issue with Magnus and Shockwave being small for the sake of scale. It makes for a great display piece. My issue is the question of whether this is $50 worth of toy. Are we getting a similar value for our dollar? If they want to shrink down their toys, fine. Just reduce the price accordingly.
Again. Stop comparing them to previous leader class figures. That’s not this line. Are they voyager size? Yes. Is that the only thing coming in the package? No. You’re getting a weaponizers gimmick as well. Magnus comes with his armor with parts that can work with others and so is Shockwave. Shockwave comes with his own complete weaponizer stuff that is completely interchangeable with everyone else in this line and can be turned into a hover craft as well.
That’s the leader class gimmick. If you’re not happy with it and choose to ignore that aspect that’s your fault and problem not the toy or company’s
Your hostility is misplaced. I am not complaining about the gimmick; I like the gimmick. I'm not complaining about the height; they scale better than old leaders. I am simply stating that I am suspicious that if you factor in the pros and cons of the new approach, it doesn't add up to something that should cost 50 bucks. I could very well be wrong. I don't know the ins and outs of toy design. But, at a surface level, the price tag seems superfluous.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 29th, 2018 @ 11:33am CST
Lore Keeper wrote:I am simply stating that I am suspicious that if you factor in the pros and cons of the new approach, it doesn't add up to something that should cost 50 bucks. I could very well be wrong. I don't know the ins and outs of toy design. But, at a surface level, the price tag seems superfluous.
That apply to current deluxes and voyagers as well. It piss me off to have to pay VOYAGER prices for deluxes and ULTRA prices for voyagers. At least the overall quality went back to the same as when I first started to collect in 2009.
This damper my collecting by a lot and I'm now ultra selective. At least the quality DID come back to what it was in 2009. And even then...
I wonder when Hasbro will go full Takara-on-MP and make deluxes cost 50$, voyagers 80$, and leaders 200$?
The TF price inflation is getting out of hand to be perfectly honest.
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on December 29th, 2018 @ 11:34am CST
Randomhero wrote:Nemesis Maximo wrote:Oh God, he’s so tiny. Barely bigger than a Voyager.
He looks good, don’t get me wrong, just short. I think I’ll be okay keeping my CW Magnus on my shelf.
Hasbro and takara are basing it off the official scale guide used back in the original cartoon. Leader class isn’t about height this time around. It’s giving you the closest accurately scaled figures and adding stuff like the Magnus armor and shockwaves battle upgrade. Just like how the legends class has been replaced with micromasters.
Right on. I’m okay with downsizing on most figures, as it gives my Transformers shelves a varied, natural look with individual characters being taller/smaller than others. When I have T30 Skids next to Universe 2.0 Prowl, I think it just adds character, the same way as Wolverine being shorter than everyone else. And in fact, because of the size of Leaders now, I’m 100% gonna pick up Shockwave, and if the Leader Class Optimus does indeed resemble Galaxy Convoy, I’ll get him too. But CW Magnus scales nicely with my OG Classics Optimus, so I don’t feel too bad.
Posted by Randomhero on December 29th, 2018 @ 11:38am CST
Lore Keeper wrote:Randomhero wrote:Lore Keeper wrote:I don't have an issue with Magnus and Shockwave being small for the sake of scale. It makes for a great display piece. My issue is the question of whether this is $50 worth of toy. Are we getting a similar value for our dollar? If they want to shrink down their toys, fine. Just reduce the price accordingly.
Again. Stop comparing them to previous leader class figures. That’s not this line. Are they voyager size? Yes. Is that the only thing coming in the package? No. You’re getting a weaponizers gimmick as well. Magnus comes with his armor with parts that can work with others and so is Shockwave. Shockwave comes with his own complete weaponizer stuff that is completely interchangeable with everyone else in this line and can be turned into a hover craft as well.
That’s the leader class gimmick. If you’re not happy with it and choose to ignore that aspect that’s your fault and problem not the toy or company’s
Your hostility is misplaced. I am not complaining about the gimmick; I like the gimmick. I'm not complaining about the height; they scale better than old leaders. I am simply stating that I am suspicious that if you factor in the pros and cons of the new approach, it doesn't add up to something that should cost 50 bucks. I could very well be wrong. I don't know the ins and outs of toy design. But, at a surface level, the price tag seems superfluous.
Are you counting in the fact that 1. Part count is higher. 2 paint applications are higher. 3 weight.
All three of those are higher than the stand leader classes of previous lines.
Posted by mordhelm on December 29th, 2018 @ 12:17pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:That apply to current deluxes and voyagers as well. It piss me off to have to pay VOYAGER prices for deluxes and ULTRA prices for voyagers. At least the overall quality went back to the same as when I first started to collect in 2009.
This damper my collecting by a lot and I'm now ultra selective. At least the quality DID come back to what it was in 2009. And even then...
I wonder when Hasbro will go full Takara-on-MP and make deluxes cost 50$, voyagers 80$, and leaders 200$?
The TF price inflation is getting out of hand to be perfectly honest.
We tend to think about this things in terms of historical pricing within our small bubble (TF CHUG lines). Once you broaden the scope, you will see that TF lines somehow staved off the price increase for a long time. What other mass collector lines are there:
Star Wars Black Series. The 6" figures are $20 each.
Marvel Legends. $20 MSRP.
Voltron Lions. $20.
DC Multiverse figures. $18.
Power Rangers Legacy figures. $20.
This is just coming in line with every other mass collector line. Similar scales, similar articulation, but none of these have the play factor of transformers toys. As compared to these other lines I still find Siege to be a good value. I am actually pretty disappointed with the Voltron toys the most.
That said, I got my figures for cheap anyway (HTS and a target coupon I had), so maybe my tune will change when I am paying full retail.
Posted by ThunderThruster on December 29th, 2018 @ 12:31pm CST
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on December 29th, 2018 @ 2:12pm CST
That's how I feel about this new siege line. Does it suck a bit that the price has "standardized" yes... but the details, paint, scale, and engineering is all solid. The new Siege Sideswipe borrowed *heavily* from it's MP mold.
Now I can sympathize that for many of us collectors starting a new scale benchmark hurts a bit. Combiner Wars trilogy had it's own scale T30/Chug/etc had it's own scale.
I do like that Siege and the actual combiners seem to feel *about* right. So there *is* that lol.
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on December 29th, 2018 @ 2:15pm CST
Posted by Nemesis Destron on December 29th, 2018 @ 2:41pm CST
When in robot mode the armor parts can be used as a probe or a drone for the one eye menace. His star ship mode looked good to me. I can't wait til he hits shelves...'nuff said.
Posted by Aimless Misfire on December 29th, 2018 @ 4:07pm CST
Randomhero wrote:Nemesis Maximo wrote:Oh God, he’s so tiny. Barely bigger than a Voyager.
He looks good, don’t get me wrong, just short. I think I’ll be okay keeping my CW Magnus on my shelf.
Hasbro and takara are basing it off the official scale guide used back in the original cartoon. Leader class isn’t about height this time around. It’s giving you the closest accurately scaled figures and adding stuff like the Magnus armor and shockwaves battle upgrade. Just like how the legends class has been replaced with micromasters.
That's nice but I wanted a LEADER Shockwave to go with all my other LEADERS. I didn't want a voyager at leader prices with a ton of empty space in the box. I love Siege Shockwave's alt mode & that just makes the disappointment even worse.
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on December 29th, 2018 @ 5:46pm CST
Aimless Misfire wrote:Randomhero wrote:Nemesis Maximo wrote:Oh God, he’s so tiny. Barely bigger than a Voyager.
He looks good, don’t get me wrong, just short. I think I’ll be okay keeping my CW Magnus on my shelf.
Hasbro and takara are basing it off the official scale guide used back in the original cartoon. Leader class isn’t about height this time around. It’s giving you the closest accurately scaled figures and adding stuff like the Magnus armor and shockwaves battle upgrade. Just like how the legends class has been replaced with micromasters.
That's nice but I wanted a LEADER Shockwave to go with all my other LEADERS. I didn't want a voyager at leader prices with a ton of empty space in the box. I love Siege Shockwave's alt mode & that just makes the disappointment even worse.
"a voyager at leader prices with a ton of empty space in the box"
This is monumentally stupid.
I've said before and I'll say again that by that "logic" RiD Optimus and every Unicron Trilogy Optimus - hell, any figure that came with components not integrated/not immediately integrated into the robot mode were "voyagers (or deluxes) at leader prices with a ton of empty space in the box". It's still a Leader-class toy's worth of paint and plastic.
Leader is grossly oversize for Shockwave in the context of SIEGE. If you want a Shockwave that can stand on par height-wise with PotP Optimus, Combiner Wars Megatron, etc. just get the original (or the MP if you've got that kind of cash):
The ToyCo Astro Magnum was not a small toy!
As for Ultra Magnus, his small size in armor mode comes down to working within the mass limitations of the Leader size class while having a Voyager cab robot. The original Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus toys, which had Deluxe-size cab robots, were Leader-size as it was:
The SIEGE cab robots are Voyager size, with more height and mass, as can be seen here (SIEGE Magnus' cab robot is the same size as SIEGE Optimus):
With the cab robot scaled up to Voyager, including the blocky G1 trailer (and the large super robot it results in) without horizontal squashing would require a Supreme-class toy, which would be even more pricy. So they had to downsize the armor to make it work, and went with an RiD homage vehicle mode since that allowed them to still make the armor into a decent-size trailer (as a bonus, the RiD cab adds to the alien look).
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on December 29th, 2018 @ 6:11pm CST
Posted by Dominus Prime on December 29th, 2018 @ 6:34pm CST
Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 29th, 2018 @ 6:39pm CST
SpikeyTigertron wrote:MP if you want a leader sized shockie
Or wait for the oversized KO.
Meh, this emoticon don't cut it.
https://giphy.com/explore/coffee?utm_so ... &utm_term=
There. Much better.
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on December 29th, 2018 @ 6:44pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:SpikeyTigertron wrote:MP if you want a leader sized shockie
Or wait for the oversized KO.
Meh, this emoticon don't cut it.
https://giphy.com/explore/coffee?utm_so ... &utm_term=
There. Much better.
Sad, but true about the oversized KOs T_T
Posted by Skritz on December 29th, 2018 @ 8:36pm CST
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on December 30th, 2018 @ 12:50am CST
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on December 30th, 2018 @ 1:35am CST
Skritz wrote:After seeing a video review I'm really curious to see what the supposed Optimus Prime retool will do with it, as it seem to be quite an interesting mold.
Judging by how/where the Ultra Magnus chest sits in trailer mode, I'll guess they're gonna rip that out and put in the dual ladder/cannon things. Where/how they'll do the wings I'm not so sure though.... since the trailer sides make up the boots. Maybe they'll find a way to split the difference?
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on December 30th, 2018 @ 1:37am CST
Sentinel_Primal wrote:After seeing the video, I'm disappointed, but not surprised that he doesn't have an opening chest door to store a matrix in. It was a bit of a long shot to hope they'd include something like that, but at least there's room in the chest for it, even if it's not intentional. Also, I'm definitely picking both Shockwave and Magnus up. They both look amazing, especially Magnus
Plenty of room to retool it for Prime. But I agree it'd have been nice. Maybe with that solid T-junction of clear plastic and the grill, they decided against it. What *does* surprise me, is that they had that big clear section basically just sitting over silver painted plastic. I didn't see that coming
Posted by Rodimus Prime on December 30th, 2018 @ 1:39am CST
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on December 30th, 2018 @ 1:44am CST
Rodimus Prime wrote:doublej101 also has a review up for Shockwave and I just watched it. I must say that's a damn good looking voyager figure in its own, and the extra crap that makes him a 'leader' takes away from the figure in all modes. It's a definite buy for me as a Shockwave collector, and I will be displaying him in voyager robot mode with the 'hoverboard' which is not bad, but not necessary.
I felt it really filled out his alt mode as a capital ship (although hilariously out of scale). It was the same feeling I had from the War for Cybertron (video game) Shockwave figure.... Cool ship design just *too* small.
If it's the same video review I'm thinking of... He forgot to pop the "ears" up on the conning tower in ship mode.
The sled/hover thingy mode was surprisingly decent looking. So at least if you don't like it you can ball all the kibble up.
I am curious if some of these other armor parts are compatible with other deluxe voyagers as weaponizer systems.
Posted by Rodimus Prime on December 30th, 2018 @ 1:47am CST
As for the ship mode, I would much rather keep him in his space cannon mode, without all the extra stuff. Looks better, IMO. But I gotta say, they nailed the base robot mode.
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on December 30th, 2018 @ 1:52am CST
Rodimus Prime wrote:They probably are, since they have the standard pegs and holes. So whichever figure can Cog be attached to, I'm sure the extra Shockwave parts can be attached to as well.
just think, you can have your voyager shockwave, and a pimped out brunt.
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on December 30th, 2018 @ 2:01am CST
Rodimus Prime wrote:doublej101 also has a review up for Shockwave and I just watched it. I must say that's a damn good looking voyager figure in its own, and the extra crap that makes him a 'leader' takes away from the figure in all modes. It's a definite buy for me as a Shockwave collector, and I will be displaying him in voyager robot mode with the 'hoverboard' which is not bad, but not necessary.
I think it depends on your tastes for how the extra stuff impacts his other modes. Personally, I love the anime-esque super mode. He just looks amazing to me in that mode, but I can see where others may see issues, especially with the size. He's a nice update to the G1 figure, with a nice extra bit for people like me that want some new weirdness for old characters. Though, I do admit that Shockwave is probably my favorite design of all the G1 designs, the exception probably being to some of the Japanese G1 designs, so adding something that looks like it would happen in the Japanese portion of G1 to Shockwave might be making me more biased for this design
Posted by Rodimus Prime on December 30th, 2018 @ 2:10am CST
Of course to each his own, if you like him with the extra stuff, that's great. Personally, I just wanted an updated G1 Shockwave figure, and I got it in the voyager without the extra stuff, so I'm happy. And like SpikeyTigertron said, the extra parts can be used as weapons for other figures. That hoverboard is a neat idea, though.Sentinel_Primal wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:doublej101 also has a review up for Shockwave and I just watched it. I must say that's a damn good looking voyager figure in its own, and the extra crap that makes him a 'leader' takes away from the figure in all modes. It's a definite buy for me as a Shockwave collector, and I will be displaying him in voyager robot mode with the 'hoverboard' which is not bad, but not necessary.
I think it depends on your tastes for how the extra stuff impacts his other modes. Personally, I love the anime-esque super mode. He just looks amazing to me in that mode, but I can see where others may see issues, especially with the size. He's a nice update to the G1 figure, with a nice extra bit for people like me that want some new weirdness for old characters. Though, I do admit that Shockwave is probably my favorite design of all the G1 designs, the exception probably being to some of the Japanese G1 designs, so adding something that looks like it would happen in the Japanese portion of G1 to Shockwave might be making me more biased for this design
Posted by Dr. Caelus on December 30th, 2018 @ 7:03pm CST
Shockwave is really great.
Posted by Sarahthecutevixen on December 30th, 2018 @ 11:18pm CST
starrhero wrote:william-james88 wrote:Not my image:
There are godmasters, then there are just gods.
and let us hope this god is benevolent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fshgWIpcPeE
for those who dont wanna click it's the Akira Mutation scene soundtrack song
Posted by Randomhero on December 31st, 2018 @ 10:44am CST
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Posted by SpikeyTigertron on December 31st, 2018 @ 12:25pm CST
Posted by starrhero on December 31st, 2018 @ 1:07pm CST
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Posted by Hellscream9999 on December 31st, 2018 @ 9:13pm CST
Posted by Rodimus Prime on December 31st, 2018 @ 9:53pm CST
That part is pretty much the only negative I see in the figure. Not because of the battle damage, but because it's too big and protruding in truck mode and makes a huge backpack in robot mode. Luckily in Ultra Magnus mode it's not very noticeable. I do wish they would have done something about the space between the front wheels and the shoulders in truck mode.Hellscream9999 wrote:I have to say, I love the idea of battle damage on magnus' cab bumper, it really drives home the idea that he has killed 's by driving into them
Posted by Sabrblade on December 31st, 2018 @ 9:56pm CST
Yeah, that bumper served an ulterior motive for God Magnus's original toy, but for this Ultra Magnus, it's just there to complete the homaged look of the vehicle mode.Rodimus Prime wrote:That part is pretty much the only negative I see in the figure. Not because of the battle damage, but because it's too big and protruding in truck mode and makes a huge backpack in robot mode. Luckily in Ultra Magnus mode it's not very noticeable. I do wish they would have done something about the space between the front wheels and the shoulders in truck mode.Hellscream9999 wrote:I have to say, I love the idea of battle damage on magnus' cab bumper, it really drives home the idea that he has killed 's by driving into them
Posted by Dr. Caelus on January 1st, 2019 @ 2:01am CST
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on January 1st, 2019 @ 10:26am CST
Personally in spite of his iconic, yet hugely outdated look, I've always felt HasTak have missed a trick by not incorporating the Cassettes into Soundwave. Either as a Gestalt or Apex Armour to the base figure.