Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 26 "Darkest Hour"

*sigh* they really need to stop using that phrase

Hypershock wrote:*sigh* they really need to stop using that phrase

They really need to stop (over-)quoting Transformers: The Movie, period.

"Darkest Hour"
"Soundwave Superior"
"This is bad comedy"
"Such heroic nonsense"
"Why throw away your life so recklessly?"
"I still function"

And the most nerve-racking offender of them all:

"One shall stand, one shall fall"


But, surprisingly, "Till all are one" hasn't been nearly as run into the ground as much as the above.

Sabrblade wrote:"Such heroic nonsense"
"Why throw away your life so recklessly?"

Where were these quoted from? I don't remember these being mentioned in the show or the games.

Mindmaster wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:"Such heroic nonsense"
"Why throw away your life so recklessly?"

Where were these quoted from? I don't remember these being mentioned in the show or the games.

I think I remember Megatron saying "Such heroic nonsense" during Optimus and Megatron's fight on the Space Bridge in Darkness Rising. Might be wrong, though.

I have no problem with the Transformers Movie quotes. Don't see a big deal. The only one I'm sick of is "One Shall Stand, One Shall Fall."

That's about it.

Mindmaster wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:"Such heroic nonsense"
"Why throw away your life so recklessly?"

Where were these quoted from? I don't remember these being mentioned in the show or the games.

i'm not talking solely about Transformers: Prime doing this. i'm talking about the post-Movie media in general.

Look at Fall of Cybertron, for example. About 30% of its dialogue is lifted almsot word for word directly from the movie, and they even rip off Starscream's coronation scene almost exactly, right down to the crown Screamer was wearing. Only real differences being Megatron fighting a bunch of Screamer-allied Cons and not killing him in the end.

how about "i can't deal with that right now"
never gets used

Ultra Markus wrote:how about "i can't deal with that right now"
never gets used

No, but the fandom sure uses it a lot.

Well, after this...IT'S BEAST HUNTING TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HOW DARE THEY USE STUFF FROM THE 1986 MOVIE! Seriously, this is why I kind of hate reading comments on Seibertron. Seibertron's news staff is great (one of the best imo), don't get me wrong, but when I scroll down to the comments I read insightful comments like 'They should stop quoting the 1986 movie, and my ShOuLdEr's HuRt because of it'. Ridiculous, I remember when I would of jumped out of my seat if I heard "Light our 'darkest hour'". How dare they use 'darkest hour' to describe probably what will be the Autobot's darkest hour. Are they going to off Optimus? WHO KNOWS? I mean, this time around Hot Rod won't do it for sure, maybe it will be Smokescreen instead.

I mean I guess we could take quotes from the Bay movies with such gems like:

"AHHHHHHHHH" Shia Lebouf screaming as per normal (This was a Rifftrax parody)

How about Bumblebee peeing on people. That would just be great to homage.

How about Devastator having two wrecking test...'balls'.

One wonders why the live action movies are not homaged more and why the G1 movie is and always be a jewel of Transformers-dom.

I am fine with 1986 homages. Those who are not fine with them are a very small vocal minority who thinks they are the majority. If what you all are saying is true, then Fall of Cybertron should not of sold very well. It sold very well because it hit all the right notes when it came to referencing the movie.

burning_sirius wrote:HOW DARE THEY USE STUFF FROM THE 1986 MOVIE! Seriously, this is why I kind of hate reading comments on Seibertron.

We're sorry.

Seibertron's news staff is great (one of the best imo), don't get me wrong, but when I scroll down to the comments I read insightful comments like 'They should stop quoting the 1986 movie, and my ShOuLdEr's HuRt because of it'. Ridiculous, I remember when I would of jumped out of my seat if I heard "Light our 'darkest hour'". How dare they use 'darkest hour' to describe probably what will be the Autobot's darkest hour. Are they going to off Optimus? WHO KNOWS? I mean, this time around Hot Rod won't do it for sure, maybe it will be Smokescreen instead.

Aren't we entitled to opinions?

I mean I guess we could take quotes from the Bay movies with such gems like:

"AHHHHHHHHH" Shia Lebouf screaming as per normal (This was a Rifftrax parody)

How about Bumblebee peeing on people. That would just be great to homage.

On a show rated TV-Y7? Deaths make it dark enough, we don't need to see robo-genitals.

How about Devastator having two wrecking test...'balls'.

Again, we don't need to see robo-genitals.

One wonders why the live action movies are not homaged more and why the G1 movie is and always be a jewel of Transformers-dom.

And if it wasn't? Who knows where we'd be now.

I am fine with 1986 homages. Those who are not fine with them are a very small vocal minority who thinks they are the majority.

When Optimus and Megatron use "One Shall Stand, One Shall Fall" 100 times in 52 episodes...

If what you all are saying is true, then Fall of Cybertron should not of sold very well. It sold very well because it hit all the right notes when it came to referencing the movie.

More power to it, we're not saying the G1 Movie should be banned from modern TF media dialogue. It's when these lines become a common occurrence. When there's no dialogue variety, it tends to become boring; that's all.

You don't get it, burning_sirius. It's not that they simply keep quoting the G1 movie. It's that it's done so often that all the repeated quotes lose their luster. Quoting something as often as the G1 movie makes its repeated lines no longer feel as good as they originally did, and reeks of being an excuse for coming up with something more original.

It's not that we want them to quote something else like the Bay movies, it's that we want them to just stop with over-quoting in and of itself, period.

Taking an old quote and using it over and over and over again in so many cases isn't creative, it's lazy.

Look at last week's TF: Prime episode, for example. The sword fight between Otpimus and Megatron could have had some familiar quote(s) thrown into it in an attempt at fanwank, but it didn't. Instead, it had its own script with unique and original dialogue and was all good by its own merit, without having to rely on any past material.

Sabrblade, you are completely right in your post. I cannot agree with you more. The last episode had some great original banter. I hate it when people are uncreative and dredge up old banter. Now using old banter creatively, I approve of, but then it becomes a matter of taste. Some here hate Generation 1 and thus will never approve of G1 ever getting any nods. Sometimes they are right, and sometimes they are wrong. Video games are different imo in terms of writing given my support of using iconic phrases in FoC. I do not think Prime has beaten into the ground any Transformers phrasology. I mean 'Autobots Roll Out' is used a ton. I do not begrudge them for using that, or other phrases that can have duel meanings like 'Darkest Hour'. Obviously, this season will end on a very sour note, which I approve of.

burning_sirius wrote:Sabrblade, you are completely right in your post. I cannot agree with you more. The last episode had some great original banter. I hate it when people are uncreative and dredge up old banter. Now using old banter creatively, I approve of, but then it becomes a matter of taste. Some here hate Generation 1 and thus will never approve of G1 ever getting any nods. Sometimes they are right, and sometimes they are wrong. Video games are different imo in terms of writing given my support of using iconic phrases in FoC. I do not think Prime has beaten into the ground any Transformers phrasology. I mean 'Autobots Roll Out' is used a ton. I do not begrudge them for using that, or other phrases that can have duel meanings like 'Darkest Hour'. Obviously, this season will end on a very sour note, which I approve of.

The way something is used also plays a factor into this. An example of how an old quote was used in a unique and clever way would be in "Darkness Rising, Part 5", in which Ratchet said, "Then by all means, let us light our darkest hour." the context in which it was used shows he meant "light" as a metaphor for "blow up the space bridge to smithereens". But when they recreate Starscream's coronation scene in Fall of Cybertron and use all the exact same lines word-for-word with nothing new, it feels more like a ripoff of the original version rather than a new take on it.

Though, when I said that old quotes have been overused and run into the ground, I didn't mean to imply that TF: Prime or any one thing had done that. If it came across that way, I apologize. Rather, I meant to imply that many sources over the years have repeated the quotes so often that each new use of them feels unoriginal.

The worst offender, "One shall stand..." has been used at least thirteen times across different media and, as the years go by, its uses begin to pile up with each time it's repeated. Sometimes I wish a new ultimatum, like even one that's a new spin on this one, would be used.

The difference with something like "Transform and roll out" is that, unlike the movie quotes, it's something that was already said over and over from the get-go, so it's expected to be repeated like standard procedure. Like it's as common a military command as "Fire!" "Take cover!" "Retreat!" "Attack!" etc.

Thanks to the AT&T U-verse program guide we finally have the synopsis for the Transformers Prime season 2 finale, "Darkest Hour". The season finale is scheduled to air on November 2nd, and just in case you've missed any episodes leading up this point the Hub will be airing all of the previous episodes starting on November 1st. See the episode description below:

Megatron comes up with a complex plan and once it's put together, Optimus is placed in a position where he is forced to make a risky decision that, if not carefully considered, could have an inescapable effect on the entire Autobot team.

That is a long winded sentence. Almost like some academics I know.

So, Zap2it really never provided a synopsis, eh? That's new.

As for this one, despite the last several from AT&T U-Verse being more descriptive, it seems they went out of their way to not spoil anything this time.

Though, we can pretty much assume that the Autobots lose this season.

So, is it TFP: Beast Hunters after Season 2?

daimchoc wrote:So, is it TFP: Beast Hunters after Season 2?

Yes, it's season 3.

Sabrblade wrote:So, Zap2it really never provided a synopsis, eh? That's new.

Nope, I checked their program before posting to see if they had any additional info.

Sabrblade wrote:Though, we can pretty much assume that the Autobots lose this season.

Again.

While they "won" by defeating Unicron, they "lost" Optimus in the Season 1 finale, and the beginning of Season 2 included "the Autobots trying to get out of the tight situation they were caught in."

Sound familiar?

PrymeStriker wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Though, we can pretty much assume that the Autobots lose this season.

Again.

While they "won" by defeating Unicron, they "lost" Optimus in the Season 1 finale, and the beginning of Season 2 included "the Autobots trying to get out of the tight situation they were caught in."

Sound familiar?

They didn't lose in season 1. Defeating Unicron was what they set out to do. The Orion Pax ordeal just made it a bittersweet victory.

This, though, seems more like they just flat out lose.

Sabrblade wrote:

PrymeStriker wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Though, we can pretty much assume that the Autobots lose this season.

Again.

While they "won" by defeating Unicron, they "lost" Optimus in the Season 1 finale, and the beginning of Season 2 included "the Autobots trying to get out of the tight situation they were caught in."

Sound familiar?

They didn't lose in season 1.

Exactly. They lost Optimus, I said.

The "Again" part was in relation to the Orion Pax ordeal, not Unicron. They will more than likely flat out lose this time around, however. As you just stated.

Let's face it the Autobots have been losing for a long time. What we are seeing in this show is really thier last gasp efforts at keeping the Autobot race alive. Sure there may be other Autobot enclaves out there, even organized resistance to the Decepticons, but what good will it do them if Optimus fails? If it wasn't for Megatron being a unbalanced ego maniac, Starscream being a coward, and Soundwave being too skittish to lead the Autobots would have been finished a long time ago.

Look at how competent Soundwave is. I firmly believe if he would step up the Decepticon victory would be assured. His misguided loyalty to Megatron has doomed the Decepticons to stagnation, to near irrelevance for ages before the recent developments.

njb902 wrote:Let's face it the Autobots have been losing for a long time. What we are seeing in this show is really thier last gasp efforts at keeping the Autobot race alive. Sure there may be other Autobot enclaves out there, even organized resistance to the Decepticons, but what good will it do them if Optimus fails? If it wasn't for Megatron being a unbalanced ego maniac, Starscream being a coward, and Soundwave being too skittish to lead the Autobots would have been finished a long time ago.

Look at how competent Soundwave is. I firmly believe if he would step up the Decepticon victory would be assured. His misguided loyalty to Megatron has doomed the Decepticons to stagnation, to near irrelevance for ages before the recent developments.

Your right, based on Soundwave's characterization in this series, its a fair assessment that he would be able to lead the Decepticons to a pretty quick and decisive victory. Megatron would just have to fall in the ranks and follow orders and watch his dream come true.

padfoo wrote:

njb902 wrote:Let's face it the Autobots have been losing for a long time. What we are seeing in this show is really thier last gasp efforts at keeping the Autobot race alive. Sure there may be other Autobot enclaves out there, even organized resistance to the Decepticons, but what good will it do them if Optimus fails? If it wasn't for Megatron being a unbalanced ego maniac, Starscream being a coward, and Soundwave being too skittish to lead the Autobots would have been finished a long time ago.

Look at how competent Soundwave is. I firmly believe if he would step up the Decepticon victory would be assured. His misguided loyalty to Megatron has doomed the Decepticons to stagnation, to near irrelevance for ages before the recent developments.

Your right, based on Soundwave's characterization in this series, its a fair assessment that he would be able to lead the Decepticons to a pretty quick and decisive victory. Megatron would just have to fall in the ranks and follow orders and watch his dream come true.

I don't think that that would happen, that might be pretty cool though. I liked the neutered Megatron in Dark of the moon, but i think it could be done better; maybe Prime is the medium that will do that

I don't think Soundwave could afford to keep Megatron alive. If Soundwave was to take over the Decepticons he would need to get rid of all the leadership. The only one that would make sense to keep is knockout as he has no ambitions for leadership and no loyalty to Megatron, he will just fallow whoever terrifies him most.

Be careful Prime, we can't afford another Prime death!