Transformers 4 Updates: Press Release, the Film Will Be A Re Imagining

A re-imagining...? I dunno what to expect from that o.O...But in any case I will keep myself neutral on what to expect from TF4. 2 years is a long time ~_~...By that time I probably will get re-excited about it but for now...Meh~

i am all for a reboot. been waiting since the first movie. but bay and steven again? this is the worst idea since beast machines.

They should do the world a favor and hand the franchise over to Brad Bird.

I don't like the idea of a reboot, it's too soon for that. Maybe take it in a different direction, but in the same continuity. Like focusing on a different group of Autobots on another planet, or possibly a prequel set on Cybertron. For the love of Primus don't title it Trans4mers.

I'm worried about the "reimagining", when it's supposed to be in the same universe/continuity.

I don't even know how you'd make that work unless they do a time travel thing. If the critics complained about ROTF and DOTM on the silly factor, then time travel will just give them HUGE ammunition to go after the film.

I'm not sure it could be handled correctly, by him.
I like Bay, I do, but those complexities aren't something you can film on a blink and you miss it kinda style.

People will be like "Wait. Wasn't he just..." and "Where are they now?!" Even if the writing would be solid, the visuals have to help sell it.

Skywarp64 wrote:How could you even say that?

Because i had an opinion?

Skywarp64 wrote:You would have me think that a show with great plot lines and story arcs

Yeah, virtually nothing of major interest happened until the end of the first season, Optimus is basically what I would call a "stereotypical Optimus", Bulkhead is no different or more established than his original character so whatever, Bumblebee is straight up screwed from the get go, Arcee is somewhat interesting but like the other characters she has an unreasonable attachment to her human partner, and the human characters still have NO good reason to be there. Megatron, oh primus, he's nothing more than a mad overlord, not cold or calculating, just another stereotypical villain throwing his weight around. He's basically more like Galvatron.

Oh and Unicron in the center of the Earth? That's not clever, that's fanfiction level of writing. Even going so far as to say "dark energon is the blood of Unicron". Yeah it's a good plot alright.

Skywarp64 wrote:and both Peter Cullen AND Frank Welker

I'm tired of Peter Cullen. "OFMG WHAT THE HELL S WRONG WIT U UR NOT TRU TRANSFORMER FAN!!!!!1111!one!!" Yeah he's kinda lost "the touch" in his Prime voice. Just doesn't sound natural anymore. As for Welker... well I just don't like the character he's portraying anyway.

Skywarp64 wrote:Optimus and Starscream with chin tumors

Took me a while to get used to the animation. You're clearly not even as open minded as I am.

Skywarp64 wrote:and some goofy subplot with an annoying human who turns out to be a twice as annoying android?

Uh, goofy? Yeah ok, so the presence of human characters in TFPrime makes sense? Please. At least they gave a reason for why Sari stuck around.

Also.

So Sari is annoying?

griftimus prime wrote:i am all for a reboot. been waiting since the first movie. but bay and steven again? this is the worst idea since beast machines.

Beast Machines wasn't THAT bad. Still I agree. I've been waiting for a reboot since the first movie myself, and with Bay still on board, I'm afraid it will be at least three more movies before there's a chance of seeing an actual Transformers movie made.

Michal Bay wrote:I'm extremely excited to simplify my film career this spring with a great character piece.

LOL! He can't do a character based movie. He's proven that. The idea of him even trying is and imagining he'd be successful is simply hilarious.

Since the initial disappointment of DOTM and overall trilogy story, I've decided to open up my mind. And actually, believe it or not. My criticism of DOTM ruined the movie experience. I didn't enjoy it. So I've since forgiven Bay, and started liking the movies, with all their flaws. TF has always been Hasbro's, and they know what they're doing. They have costs, etc. So I'm going to switch off criticism , so that I don't hurt myself in the process. I say bring whatever you have BAY/ other director. Tf has since entered the public domain, and I intend to embrace it. In reality Bay's movies were what breathed life into it, and we are really thankful.

It doesn't matter what I want for the 4th movie. I'm sure it will surprise me either way. I would want to see more bots, more cons.

Unless Tf 4 is a g1 reboot, then It will be something.

Figures, we'll see, I'm more interested in FOC and TF Prime. 2014 is a long ways away.

fuck it all

"re imagining of Transformers" it doesnt matter how you package it as long as bay and the same morons are attached its still going to be more of the same crap, either completely hand it over to Spielberg and see what he can do on his own or give it to a totally new crew. This franchise needs a reboot fast and Bay and the boys cant pull it off. They need to get rid of bayformers and anything remotely resembling it (tfprime) and start brand new, new crew new ideas new beginning. Maybe actually hire some people who have been fans since the 80s and 90s so there are people that know the franchise and didnt just google it.

yay! Let's ruin the franchise all over again!

Seriously. What is the point of a damned reboot if you're just going to use the same director?

Huh. And he wasn't supposed to do more TF movies so as to give a chance to possible other directors to take a crack at the franchise.

Yeah, like that would really happen...

And it's the 30th anniversary too? Ha! Well, at least we'll get a whole mess of Generations toys 'til then.

Megatron Wolf wrote:**** it all

"re imagining of Transformers" it doesnt matter how you package it as long as bay and the same morons are attached its still going to be more of the same crap, either completely hand it over to Spielberg and see what he can do on his own or give it to a totally new crew. This franchise needs a reboot fast and Bay and the boys cant pull it off. They need to get rid of bayformers and anything remotely resembling it (tfprime) and start brand new, new crew new ideas new beginning. Maybe actually hire some people who have been fans since the 80s and 90s so there are people that know the franchise and didnt just google it.

Hate to say this but if they make a movie resembles G1 and it's design....Let's just say it will have worser reception than ROTF. I'm just saying alot of people(The "normal" ones who dont care much about transformers) would hate it. And let's face it guys...Us fans vs the regular crowd? That's like 10 million vs 1 billion people...It's the truth wether you like it or not...

Just saying that if M.Bay(Or another director) wants the target audience to be us fans? The movie would have so little profit,I dont think it's even going to go into the "Top 10 movies of the year"...

metaphorge wrote:They should do the world a favor and hand the franchise over to Brad Bird.

I love you <3

Erailea wrote:

metaphorge wrote:They should do the world a favor and hand the franchise over to Brad Bird.

I love you <3

hehe.. i was scrolling down to check someone else didn't say sumfing similar and you did

agreed.

Now I have been reading these pages long enough and I just finally wanted to spill my beans so to speak.

I just hate this. Yeah...that's right. I guess I am a Michael Böy hater. I don't like any of his movies now that I think of it, and unfortunaltely I don't really like his TF movies either. They could have been better, but no. And what comes to his latest comments about TF3 and problems with 3d, he kind of feels a douchebag as well. Nothing is ever his fault, but someone elses and He surely know what he is doing, for HE is the man. Sound like narsistic behaviour to me. Oh, I just wanted to clarify this, so that none of you super fanboys need to remind me of this. I like the idea of Transformers, but too bad that what comes to the movies, I'm stucked with Bay

And I'm also WELL aware that this is not G1. Yes, I got that, but doesn't make these movies any better. It doesn't matter what they are. Desings are quite awful all the way, the script horrible and actors do a lame job, not to mention Michaela Båys methotd to direct things so that it makes me feel ill. And that humor...no...please..no. Maybe those G1 cartoons were not that great, but these aren't great either.

Look, Idon't want to attack agains you fans as persons, but I also hate when people, who don't even know me, are trying to tell me that my opinion is wrong and I don't understand. That I should be crateful for movies like these and I should be happy with this sh*t Michale Bor is offering me. Well, as a paying customer, I say no. No I shouldn't. I was hoping to get something else. better movies with better acting, script and robots.
Ok, the first movie wasn't that awful, but the rest are. I admit that I was fooled to see the third one. Yes, Im can only blame myself for that. But no more! No more of this dogshait! I mean..look. We are the one who make these things work. We are the paying customers and as one of those customers, I have every right to say that I'm not happy about this. It's also guite alarming that this movie consept is starting to poison other products as well. I mean look at the latest FOC Bruticus...just awful

And please, don't come to bring me any numbers that actually doesn't tell if some movie is actually good or not. Like I said, I was foolish enough to see the third one after the horrible secon movie. But can I get my money back? I don't think so. So when you think all those box office numbers, bear in mind that there as also some x amounth of money that belong to people like me, who payed to see but in the end didn't (more or less) like the movie. And one other thing is this small thingy called the inflation. For most of you most likely remember how movie tickets in the early 2000 weren't as expencive as nowadays. A simple example: Movie A was released in 2003 and lets say that a ticket was worth 5 dollars. 1000 people saw the movie, so it made 5000 dollars. Movie B was released 2011 and because of fancy 3D and inflation the price for a ticket was now 7 dollars. Now only 750 people went to see this one, but still it collected 5250 dollars. So if we just compare these different numbers (and from different era), can we say that movie B was better? Or maybe it was, but 2011 just wasn't the right time for..I don't know...My Little Pony movie. Simplified example, but like I said; those box office numbers aren't always the best way to compare movies or to say, how good something is. And lets not forget how clever marketing can make something look more desirable than it actually is.

And since here are actually some persons (at leats one that I know) who doesn't like when movies have a plot, good acting, not just paper thin characters and some other silly stuff. I got only one message for you; I don't want to talk about Movies with you, for it is a waste of my and your time.

They are just movies, I know. But now that Bay and the rest are making another TF movie(s), I just feel sad. I hoped to see something fresh and new. But no. It is also a great mystery to me how a quack like Bay can be so freaking popular. Maybe he has a cleaver marketing team or something and big names behind him. I Don't know. I just don't believe this crap anymore.

PS. One more thing. No, you don't have to be a moviemaker to say if you like some movie or not. We all can make our own decisions about things like this. And like I said; as customers who pay, it's our right as well. I'm just saying this for that happens to be a favourite argument that some people here use; "dude, you are not director like bay is...lololololo". Don't use it, please.

PSS. You know there are more directors in a world than just Boll and Bay. I case you would like to ask, if a guy like Boll would be a better choice to do these, or would I rather see him doing these. I don't want to see either of them.

I should be happy about this reboot idea but im not.

Was really hoping for a new director's fresh take on this franchise.

First of all... you people are utterly hilarious. Its like you are all sleeper agents, and then someone says your key word "Michael Bay" and you turn into a frothing sea of anger and ludicrous statements. I knew there was a reason why I lurked/joined seibertron. Thank you.
Secondly, I will go and see the movie in 3D and buy the Bluray and enjoy the fuck out of it because I am a fan of transformers, and more so, a fan of cars and planes that transform into big robots.
Thirdly, bitch all you want, the majority of you will go see it, So see you there fellas.

Transformers 4: Energon

I will buy the figures also, because they are neato-squeeto.

on a serious note, a reboot so soon is insane. but the "re-imagining" has to be done considering they killed all the decepticons.

A "re-imagining"? A reboot of the film continuity is pointless without a new director. I stuck it out through the trilogy, but TF4 will have to do some things significantly different in order to get my attention. For now, color me unimpressed.

No pay to no gay!!!
When (hopefully "if", of course) new film comes out - just download it, if you wish to look at, but dont go movie, and no buy the dvds.
Just to make sure, that Bay dont get a bad idea, about how we are liked to be raped.

I did not want to post a long narrative but I have been a fan since 84 and moved away from the franchise as I got older. I got back into it when I discover alternators while shopping for toys for my son, being a big car enthusiast that line pulled me back in and my collection grew with alternators and masterpiece.

The first movie was not bad, but still had a ton of opportunity, I was hoping for more in the second installment, but left the theater saying what the @#$& was that. By the third movie I did not even go to the theater. I still have not sat down and watched the whole movie, I have only seen parts of it. What I have seen has all been really bad and really centered on people with the Cybertronians being secondary props (I saw the Starscream death scene)enough said.
I would really love to see something different, WFC was fresh and new and I like the creativity.
It seems like at least one third of the fan base (look at the post around here) is unhappy with the movie fiction. A reboot with Spielberg at the helm would at least been a step in the right direction (at least he is a fan of the franchise).

A reboot (check)
A new asthetic (You'll need to market new toy designs, right?)
A new director (it could happen)

And finally, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'd rather see a return of Hot Shot than another army of Bumblebee.

Vicalliose wrote:Yeah, virtually nothing of major interest happened until the end of the first season

Oh, except, you know, for Autobots interacting with ancient civilizations, dark energon reviving the dead, Starscream going rogue, Arcee's dark past with Airachnid, all the brushes with Mech, etcetera etcetera.



[quote "Vicalliose"]Oh and Unicron in the center of the Earth? That's not clever[/quote]
Eh, I was pretty impressed.
[quote "Vicalliose"]I'm tired of Peter Cullen.[/quote]
How could you be tired of him if he's hardly been in any of them? Think back.

Vicalliose wrote:Took me a while to get used to the animation. You're clearly not even as open minded as I am.

I'd like to get used to it. I really would. But those chin tumors are simply unforgivable, especially coupled with Prime's teenager voice. Why is the leader of the Autobots 19?

Vicalliose wrote:Yeah ok, so the presence of human characters in TFPrime makes sense?

Would YOU pass up the chance to hang out with giant robots? Yeah, didn't think so.
[quote "Vicalliose"] At least they gave a reason for why Sari stuck around.[/quote]
These humans are perceived by the Decepticons as Autobot allies. If they left Autobot protection, they'd be in danger.


[quote "Vicalliose"]
So Sari is annoying?[/quote]
Yes. At least Miko's voice is bearable. And at least there are two non-annoying humans to balance with that one.


Have no idea why, but I couldn't get some of these quotes to work properly.

freetouch wrote:First of all... you people are utterly hilarious. Its like you are all sleeper agents, and then someone says your key word "Michael Bay" and you turn into a frothing sea of anger and ludicrous statements. I knew there was a reason why I lurked/joined seibertron. Thank you.
Secondly, I will go and see the movie in 3D and buy the Bluray and enjoy the **** out of it because I am a fan of transformers, and more so, a fan of cars and planes that transform into big robots.
Thirdly, bitch all you want, the majority of you will go see it, So see you there fellas.

Transformers 4: Energon

I will buy the figures also, because they are neato-squeeto.

on a serious note, a reboot so soon is insane. but the "re-imagining" has to be done considering they killed all the decepticons.

You just can't resist starting a fight huh? Well ok. First of all; I think my Opinion is as valid as yours and I have every right to say what I think about Bay and his movies. After all this is my first post about this matter, so its not like I'm complaining about this in every topic. It's funny how everting what we who don't like the movie say is always ludicrious, hilarious etc. Why don't you smell your own thoughts for once. If you like his movies, fine. Don't expect that all share your taste.

Besides frack...for some of you Bay really seems to be next to God and Santa. He is not doing this for charity you know. He most likely won't care what we think of him, so you don't really have to defend him so hard. And I called him a douchebag, for some of his latest comments have been less nice and when I have listened his comments about his movies, he always seems a bit smug to me. But hey, I didn't know he's your dad. Sorry

Dorkimus wrote:

freetouch wrote:First of all... you people are utterly hilarious. Its like you are all sleeper agents, and then someone says your key word "Michael Bay" and you turn into a frothing sea of anger and ludicrous statements. I knew there was a reason why I lurked/joined seibertron. Thank you.
Secondly, I will go and see the movie in 3D and buy the Bluray and enjoy the **** out of it because I am a fan of transformers, and more so, a fan of cars and planes that transform into big robots.
Thirdly, bitch all you want, the majority of you will go see it, So see you there fellas.

Transformers 4: Energon

I will buy the figures also, because they are neato-squeeto.

on a serious note, a reboot so soon is insane. but the "re-imagining" has to be done considering they killed all the decepticons.

You just can't resist starting a fight huh? Well ok. First of all; I think my Opinion is as valid as yours and I have every right to say what I think about Bay and his movies. After all this is my first post about this matter, so its not like I'm complaining about this in every topic. It's funny how everting what we who don't like the movie say is always ludicrious, hilarious etc. Why don't you smell your own thoughts for once. If you like his movies, fine. Don't expect that all share your taste.

Besides frack...for some of you Bay really seems to be next to God and Santa. He is not doing this for charity you know. He most likely won't care what we think of him, so you don't really have to defend him so hard. And I called him a douchebag, for some of his latest comments have been less nice and when I have listened his comments about his movies, he always seems a bit smug to me. But hey, I didn't know he's your dad. Sorry

lol... look, i'm pretty new here myself, but from two posts, you seem a little angry. I didnt even realize you said anything... to the point I just had to go back and read through again to find your post. I wasn't responding to you, I was just generalizing.
So to put it bluntly, I don't care about your opinion. I was making a generalized statement that whenever bay's name is mentioned a lot of people get their panties in a bunch.

Now, for the ludicrous statement thing... my point is proven with your last paragraph... Comparing him to God or santa, my father... just.. that whole thing. But I suppose its just you getting upset for the wrong reasons. Whatevs bra, if it was a mistake, cool, if you are going to be certifiable every time you post, that would be awesome too, either way, hi, welcome to seibertron.

GetRightRobot wrote:One request. It's petty I know, but can this Transformers film, please please please, be focused on..... Transformers?

You're a madman!! Clap him in irons, please. For the sake of the children!

Skywarp64 wrote: Oh, except, you know, for Autobots interacting with ancient civilizations, dark energon reviving the dead, Starscream going rogue, Arcee's dark past with Airachnid, all the brushes with Mech, etcetera etcetera.

Dumbed down, unoriginal, and I already said Arcee was interesting.

Skywarp64 wrote:Eh, I was pretty impressed.

Incredibly low standards right there.

Skywarp64 wrote:How could you be tired of him if he's hardly been in any of them? Think back.

Forgot I mentioned it was because he lost "the touch"? I've grown more fond of the other Prime performances at this point. He's only here because he's Peter Cullen.

Skywarp64 wrote:I'd like to get used to it. I really would. But those chin tumors are simply unforgivable, especially coupled with Prime's teenager voice. Why is the leader of the Autobots 19?

You never even watched the show. Not a single episode. Or else you'd understand how ignorant that statement was.

Skywarp64 wrote:Would YOU pass up the chance to hang out with giant robots? Yeah, didn't think so.

Good God you completely missed the point. The kids should be in witness protection, no question. They serve no special purpose, except for helping out when the Autobots suddenly become inept at things they would have dealt with on a regular basis before coming to earth. Sari was directly connected to the AllSpark Key, a baffling fact which made it a higher priority for the Autobots to keep her around in TFA.

Skywarp64 wrote:These humans are perceived by the Decepticons as Autobot allies. If they left Autobot protection, they'd be in danger.

Again these kids should be in witness protection. If not that, then they should be at the Autobot base at all times. Also it is the Autobot's fault for allowing the kids to know where the base was in the first place. They put them in danger and continue do so almost every episode.

Skywarp64 wrote:Yes. At least Miko's voice is bearable. And at least there are two non-annoying humans to balance with that one.

Completely opinion. I think both of them sound annoying. I just got used to Sari, it's no doubt the same for Miko in your case.

Skywarp64 wrote:Have no idea why, but I couldn't get some of these quotes to work properly.

You left out the "=" sign.

Did I mention that agent Fowler does things that do not make sense either? Like showing up in person all the time instead of just contacting them, or perhaps the fact that he's a federal agent who keeps dirtying his hands? Why in the hell was he flying a jet in one episode, worse why did he not have a flight-suit on? He is a federal agent, not a green beret.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:For the love of Primus don't title it Trans4mers.

Oh nose! You've done it now, Quick! Can someone buy the rights to that in order to keep it from Paramount's grubby corporate hands?

Vicalliose wrote:

Skywarp64 wrote:How could you even say that?

Because i had an opinion?

Skywarp64 wrote:You would have me think that a show with great plot lines and story arcs

Yeah, virtually nothing of major interest happened until the end of the first season, Optimus is basically what I would call a "stereotypical Optimus", Bulkhead is no different or more established than his original character so whatever, Bumblebee is straight up screwed from the get go, Arcee is somewhat interesting but like the other characters she has an unreasonable attachment to her human partner, and the human characters still have NO good reason to be there. Megatron, oh primus, he's nothing more than a mad overlord, not cold or calculating, just another stereotypical villain throwing his weight around. He's basically more like Galvatron.

Oh and Unicron in the center of the Earth? That's not clever, that's fanfiction level of writing. Even going so far as to say "dark energon is the blood of Unicron". Yeah it's a good plot alright.

Skywarp64 wrote:and both Peter Cullen AND Frank Welker

I'm tired of Peter Cullen. "OFMG WHAT THE HELL S WRONG WIT U UR NOT TRU TRANSFORMER FAN!!!!!1111!one!!" Yeah he's kinda lost "the touch" in his Prime voice. Just doesn't sound natural anymore. As for Welker... well I just don't like the character he's portraying anyway.

Skywarp64 wrote:Optimus and Starscream with chin tumors

Took me a while to get used to the animation. You're clearly not even as open minded as I am.

Skywarp64 wrote:and some goofy subplot with an annoying human who turns out to be a twice as annoying android?

Uh, goofy? Yeah ok, so the presence of human characters in TFPrime makes sense? Please. At least they gave a reason for why Sari stuck around.

Also.

So Sari is annoying?

I hate to admit it seeing as I am a fan of PRIME, but Vicalliose does raise some vaild points. I do however disagree with regards Cullen's voice; Megatron's personality (I think he's a properly cold mutha trucker); Welker's presentation of him; and the idea of Unicron being encased as the centre of the Earth (a welcome new take on the character and a bold move locking him away so early on).

Especially agree on the humans included in PRIME. Raff I can tolerate because he kinda keeps to himself, but the rest of them just do the same annoying things every episode. They act like they've been pre-programmed more than the giant robots.

I want the Rock to be in it. Ahahaha, he can even be Cliffjumper too, if not a human character.

I'm just going to laugh at this point and enjoy whatever gets thrown out there. Like others, I'm also expecting at least part reboot though. If not, then I guess Unicron's just gonna have to fix all the Decepticons and send them after the Matrix. Wait. I could totally see that being the plot for the next film. Alright. I guess it's possible.

Oh well, I still have to make Crankcase before I worry about running out of costumes to make, so I'm not even too concerned about the designs. I hope Bumblebee goes away though, especially if Sam does (which I hope even more that he does, or at least we skip ahead to where he's "grown up" IE is more of a mentor / leader character like Lennox than the weird "identifiable" main kid character who has issues more pressing than NBE relations). He could show up at the big fight for 5/16 of a second possibly being horribly damaged within that timeframe and leading us to speculate whether he actually dead or not, but either way never to be heard from again. Or, you know, just not show up at all. I'm cool with either.

I say "Bring It On"! I haven't seen a spectacular train wreck of a film since the last Steven Seagal flick.

It's too soon for a re-boot or "re-imagining" so any attempt they make with this is going to have everyone thoroughly pissed off, disgusted and, in general, walking out of the theater going "WTF just happened?" I was totally on-board with the first 3 films and very open minded but I simply cannot see any logic, on ANY level, behind their decision to do TF4 after the way they ended DotM and also this soon afterwards. This isn't how you pay respect to the people who have laid the foundation of intellectual property that has brought you billions of dollars. This is Spielberg and Bay taking a sh** on 25 years of pop cultures history to line their already bulging wallets and the saddest part is that Spielberg is the one pushing this the hardest, not MB.

I quite liked the majority of the designs in the movies, (Mudflap, Skids, Que, Devastator's testicles; I am certainly NOT looking at you!) but I would welcome some all-new designs just to change things up a bit.

I don't mind the non-G1 elements to them either: it's not like these movies are the first incarnation of Transformers to not follow the G1 playbook. The idea of the original leaders of Cybertron being 7 Primes who looked like Bionicle figures really didn't phase me, nor did Sentinel making a deal with Megatron.

It's not that they were bad Transformers movies. It's that they were simply bad movies. And I mean aweful. Various elevation and slow-mo shots of stereotypically good looking girls; cliched macho one-liners; two hour long advertisments for all things made in America; enough innuendo to exasperate a pornstar; and the repeated message of "we don't care who or what you are. The United States military will fcuk you up!"

It genuinely worries me how the same team are meant to reimagine the franchise in any meaningful way without going completely off the rails.

I think TF4 should take place on Cybertron at the start of the Cybertronian Wars. The story could easily span three movies. We have space travel to other worlds, no humans sounds awesome to me.

Man, didn't the first movie come out like 6 years ago? Are we rebooting THIS SOON?! Hey, maybe the reboot can not involve any humans, robot testicles, robots humping legs, minstrel-show racist robots, murder-spree 'I want your face' Optimus, and JETFIRE FARTING A PARACHUTE.

But really, knowing Bay, it'll probably just end up being about people that transform into cars (no robots) and scream constantly at the top of their lungs instead of real dialog while dancing spasmodically in desert ruins and soiling themselves.

I've accepted the reality that at this point TRANSFORMERS has become a victim of its own success.

Last year a friend (who is not as big a TF fan as I am) and I were discussing why I was refusing to go see DOTM in theaters. And he pointed out that he's never seen a franchise that seems to have SO many different mythologies and interpretations as this one does. And he's right and these arguments that we all have back and forth on these message boards is a result of it. For one thing I wish to god we could get a unified continuity from HASBRO...but all they seem to care about is the almighty dollar in pushing plastic. Back in July as everyone here was posting and commenting on TF3 in one way or another, I was looking forward to the time coming soon when the DVD/Bluray would be said and done and gradually the travisty that has been Bayformers would be in the past and we would all move forward in a new direction. There isn't an emoticon on the right that can properly express how frustrating this article is.
This franchise does need a re-boot but it also needs a break before the general public begins to suffer from TF fatigue...and for it to only be Febuary 2012 (less than a year since the trilogies conclusion) and for their to already be press releases, discussion, and conjecture on Bay's part just shows what an ego this guy has. Give Transformers back to the fans please...the mass public has had their fun in our playground and now they'll move on to some other franchise this summer to amuse themselves. Transformers and it's universe of characters and history is more than any one man or director can harness and convey. I've accepted the fact that in all likleyhood I may not see a cinematic version of Transformers that captures the same look and feel of the original in my lifetime. It'll probobly be one of our grandchildren 50 years from now that comes accross some of the original g1 material and says "Wow, this original version needs to be dusted off and re-told". Maybe then our beloved franchise will be done some much deserved justice.
These are just my opinions, so that being said you can save your breath in replying to argue or debate any of my points. I make my stance clear...I don't care for Michael Bay at all, yes I'm a "Geewunner" and even though that spelling and pronunciation has ridicule laced within it, I wear that badge with honor and I'm proud of it.
The bottom line is this franchise is being monopolized by an elite few who are using financial profit as an excuse to steer the franchise in their own selfish direction and the majority of core fans are left in the backseat simply just along for the ride....take it or leave it.
And I'll also say this.....Spielberg and Bay were inducted into the TF hall of fame WAAAAAAAAYYYY too soon. But when you have that kind of power in the entertianment industry lots of things happen too soon. Like sequels to bad movies.

Oh and Unicron in the center of the Earth? That's not clever, that's fanfiction level of writing. Even going so far as to say "dark energon is the blood of Unicron". Yeah it's a good plot alright

Agreed. I've had trouble getting into TF:Prime myself.

LOL! He can't do a character based movie. He's proven that. The idea of him even trying is and imagining he'd be successful is simply hilarious.

Agreed.

"re imagining of Transformers" it doesnt matter how you package it as long as bay and the same morons are attached its still going to be more of the same crap, either completely hand it over to Spielberg and see what he can do on his own or give it to a totally new crew. This franchise needs a reboot fast and Bay and the boys cant pull it off. They need to get rid of bayformers and anything remotely resembling it (tfprime) and start brand new, new crew new ideas new beginning. Maybe actually hire some people who have been fans since the 80s and 90s so there are people that know the franchise and didnt just google it.

AGREED!!!

mkay, here's where i weigh in on this: i enjoyed the bay films. that doesn't mean i worship michael bay, cuz i dont. it also doesnt mean i think they were the best damn three movies of all time, cuz theyre not. i grew up with the beast era, and i didnt have cable growing up so after robots in disguise i couldnt watch any of the other shows. when the movies came out, it rekindled my interest in transformers. I was happy to have a franchise accesible to me with good animation and good characters. for everyone who complains, i see where you're coming from. they don't have the best actors, and theres not much character drama, but let's face it: both when you were a kid and now, you didn't watch Transformers to observe character development; you watched it because there were vehicles that turned into giant robots and fought each other. I actually am excited to see what they bring to the sequel, and while there would be a few things i don't want to be in it (bumblebee, dinobots, hot rod) i won't throw a hissy fit if someone else wants them to be in it, or even if they end up being in it because i won't be able to change it.

Hypershock



PS: Transformers Prime kicks ass

Requiem Prime wrote:A reboot (check)
A new asthetic (You'll need to market new toy designs, right?)
A new director (it could happen)

And finally, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'd rather see a return of Hot Shot than another army of Bumblebee.

Sodan-1 wrote:

GetRightRobot wrote:One request. It's petty I know, but can this Transformers film, please please please, be focused on..... Transformers?

You're a madman!! Clap him in irons, please. For the sake of the children!

Sodan-1 wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:For the love of Primus don't title it Trans4mers.

Oh nose! You've done it now, Quick! Can someone buy the rights to that in order to keep it from Paramount's grubby corporate hands?

.....

I...want to hope that the word 're-imagining' is a good thing, but I just don't know. I just don't know.

Just stop making TF movies altogether. At least for another decade anyways. By then hopefully a new director would be considered for a reboot.

Megatron Wolf wrote: **** it all

"re imagining of Transformers" it doesnt matter how you package it as long as bay and the same morons are attached its still going to be more of the same crap, either completely hand it over to Spielberg and see what he can do on his own or give it to a totally new crew. This franchise needs a reboot fast and Bay and the boys cant pull it off.

Needs a reboot fast huh?.. Based off what exactly? What proof do you have that a re boot with another director will benefit the franchise other than your personal dislike for Bay and his style? cause last time i checked, transformers as a whole is doing better than they ever have.

Megatron Wolf wrote:They need to get rid of bayformers and anything remotely resembling it (tfprime) and start brand new, new crew new ideas new beginning.

Again, why? cause you and some fans who don't even make up 10% of the overall audience don't like it? And TF: Prime is one of the most successfully series to date with majority of the general audience, fans, and even critics. so please, what evidence do you have that TF needs to have a reboot,... and fast!

Megatron Wolf wrote:Maybe actually hire some people who have been fans since the 80s and 90s so there are people that know the franchise and didnt just google it.

Yes, because being fans of transforming vehicles automatically means that you will ex el in writing, directing, filming, special effects, and bringing all this tighter on film. Nor does them being a fan since the 80's and 90's guarantee that their vision will be the same as yours. Case in point, me and you.
I'm 30, been a fan since the 80's and given your dislike with the movies and TF:Prime, i can almost guarantee you that our visions of a reboot would greatly differ from each other.

A reboot doesn't grater anything. For all we know it could make things 10 times worse. Like Bay or not, he has brought TF back and in a good light. TF as as popular as ever and even if you don't like the movies, their success has brought about additional games (war for cybertron), toy lines/figures, shows etc. so unless you haven't enjoyed anything TF related since 07', you have reaped the benefits from these movies one way or another.

It's not so much Bay's style that confounds me. Actually, explosion obsession goes well with waring alien robots. It's everything else. A lot is the scripting. Terrible story telling. I know the movies grossed a metric $*&(^ ton of money, but they (all 3) got terrible reviews from not only critics, but many fans. The movies fall into an all flash, no substance category for me. It's as if, they don't really count. My complaint, is that as long as the movies continue the way they are going, it will always be a joke, summer action flick with no merit for story telling or character development. These movies will not impact another generation like previous iterations of transformers have. Why? because every movie now has jaw dropping special effects, 3d features and T & A. They are not special or exceptional in any way.

GetRightRobot wrote:It's not so much Bay's style that confounds me. Actually, explosion obsession goes well with waring alien robots. It's everything else. A lot is the scripting. Terrible story telling. I know the movies grossed a metric $*&(^ ton of money, but they (all 3) got terrible reviews from not only critics, but many fans. The movies fall into an all flash, no substance category for me. It's as if, they don't really count. My complaint, is that as long as the movies continue the way they are going, it will always be a joke, summer action flick with no merit for story telling or character development. These movies will not impact another generation like previous iterations of transformers have. Why? because every movie now has jaw dropping special effects, 3d features and T & A. They are not special or exceptional in any way.

The G1 cartoon wasn't that special either, but people are still enamored with it. So enamored in fact that it's practically a weird obsession. It was a 30 minute toy commercial and nothing more. No great character development, no deep stories, just a bunch of robots looking cool so kids would cry and scream for their parents to buy the toys. And you know what? We loved it anyway.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

GetRightRobot wrote:It's not so much Bay's style that confounds me. Actually, explosion obsession goes well with waring alien robots. It's everything else. A lot is the scripting. Terrible story telling. I know the movies grossed a metric $*&(^ ton of money, but they (all 3) got terrible reviews from not only critics, but many fans. The movies fall into an all flash, no substance category for me. It's as if, they don't really count. My complaint, is that as long as the movies continue the way they are going, it will always be a joke, summer action flick with no merit for story telling or character development. These movies will not impact another generation like previous iterations of transformers have. Why? because every movie now has jaw dropping special effects, 3d features and T & A. They are not special or exceptional in any way.

The G1 cartoon wasn't that special either, but people are still enamored with it. So enamored in fact that it's practically a weird obsession. It was a 30 minute toy commercial and nothing more. No great character development, no deep stories, just a bunch of robots looking cool so kids would cry and scream for their parents to buy the toys. And you know what? We loved it anyway.

I noticed the same damn thing while I've been watching G1 the past few weeks. At least the movies try to have a story.

I for one am excited to see what it's going to be.

GetRightRobot wrote:It's as if, they don't really count.

And thats all that has to be said for my take on the movies. They don't count. They're the happy meal equivalent of the Generations toyline. Done.

i'm guessing "re-imagining" is just a fancy word they're using to sound cool. i doubt this will be some reboot where the first 3 movies are completely ignored. if it was a whole new team behind the scenes i might believe that but its the same director and producers and likely the same writer(s) and i'm guessing at the very least one actor will return, whether its Shia or one of the military boys.

so i'm pretty sure by "re-imagining", they just meant it'll be the start of a new storyline. so basically what sequels usually are, a new story with the same characters and not part of some overflowing arc. not that the original 3 really had an arc but with the deaths of the final decepticons this franchise introduced in the last movie, it'll be time for a new threat.

We allllll knew another movie was coming, so I'm happy to hear the confirmation. I'm no Bay-hater, but I was hoping for a new director - if only to get a different direction/theme for the movies.

But hey, this means new toys from 2014-on, and this give me much more faith that we'll see a steady stream of good stuff released between now and then!

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

GetRightRobot wrote:It's not so much Bay's style that confounds me. Actually, explosion obsession goes well with waring alien robots. It's everything else. A lot is the scripting. Terrible story telling. I know the movies grossed a metric $*&(^ ton of money, but they (all 3) got terrible reviews from not only critics, but many fans. The movies fall into an all flash, no substance category for me. It's as if, they don't really count. My complaint, is that as long as the movies continue the way they are going, it will always be a joke, summer action flick with no merit for story telling or character development. These movies will not impact another generation like previous iterations of transformers have. Why? because every movie now has jaw dropping special effects, 3d features and T & A. They are not special or exceptional in any way.

The G1 cartoon wasn't that special either, but people are still enamored with it. So enamored in fact that it's practically a weird obsession. It was a 30 minute toy commercial and nothing more. No great character development, no deep stories, just a bunch of robots looking cool so kids would cry and scream for their parents to buy the toys. And you know what? We loved it anyway.

Well, I hear what you are saying. And it's not incorrect. But compare some G1 characters. They had character. Slap stick, trope filled characters I'll be it. Examples:
Cosmo - sweet heart Russian
Tracks - arrogant aristocrat
Sunstreaker - vain pretty boy
BumbleBee - devoted sidekick

And these characters were not the major ones, well Bee was, but not like he is now.

You can fit a personality trait to so many characters from G1 and Beast Wars inwhich the description needs only a few words. The movies do not have enough time to develop more than 3 Characters, Prime, BumbleBee and Starscream. I mean, what was the deal with the 3 Arcee Twins?

What kind of personality did Jolt have? Or any of the dozens of nameless, non consequential charcters in the movies. It is a different environment. Saturday morning cartoons don't mean anything to children these days, the times have changed. A movie every 2 - 3 years cannot capture an audience like a weekend tradition.

Also, as a result of the times, Transformers are no longer the revolution they once were. Transforming action figures have existed forever in the lives of many collectors. The 80's ushered in a marvel of design and execution that had not been witnessed by western markets. Now it's nothing new. All major big-budget films enact stunning visuals, but it's common place. Even Dark of the Moon's daunting accomplishments in complexity are lost on most average movie goers, because it is now expected.

I think this is the longest post I've ever written, and I am not trying to simply bash on the movies or fans. If Revenge of the Fallen had been a 20 or so, 30 minute weekly series, I think it would have been much better. But in order to squeeze SO much (nearly 30 years of crudely hacked canon) into such a short time, ruins the ability to tell a good story.

Please people, don't think less of me. This is only my opinion and I just want another Generation of fans to be enamored with this franchise as I was. As many of us are.

I've Bay bashed in the past and no doubt I will again in the future. But all I have to say is, please, please get a new writing staff. Keep the aesthetics of the bayverse, keep the explosions, keep everything the way Michael Bay wants it.

Just please give us a decent story.

SlyTF1 wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

GetRightRobot wrote:It's not so much Bay's style that confounds me. Actually, explosion obsession goes well with waring alien robots. It's everything else. A lot is the scripting. Terrible story telling. I know the movies grossed a metric $*&(^ ton of money, but they (all 3) got terrible reviews from not only critics, but many fans. The movies fall into an all flash, no substance category for me. It's as if, they don't really count. My complaint, is that as long as the movies continue the way they are going, it will always be a joke, summer action flick with no merit for story telling or character development. These movies will not impact another generation like previous iterations of transformers have. Why? because every movie now has jaw dropping special effects, 3d features and T & A. They are not special or exceptional in any way.

The G1 cartoon wasn't that special either, but people are still enamored with it. So enamored in fact that it's practically a weird obsession. It was a 30 minute toy commercial and nothing more. No great character development, no deep stories, just a bunch of robots looking cool so kids would cry and scream for their parents to buy the toys. And you know what? We loved it anyway.

I noticed the same damn thing while I've been watching G1 the past few weeks. At least the movies try to have a story.

Why do people who make an argument for or against the movie always fall back on G1? That's not the only Transformers story out there. There have been WAAAAAAY better tellings of the story since G1. If writers and directors are only going off of G1 then they'll never do it justice.

Sodan-1 wrote:Megatron's personality (I think he's a properly cold mutha trucker)

Being cold and menacing is one thing, but to me he really does not have the "calculating" aspect. Up until Unicron shorted him at the end of the season he just acted like a power mad lunatic. Maybe I'm just too enthralled by the Megatron in the comics.

G1 Legacy wrote:TRANSFORMERS has become a victim of its own success.

Truer words are rarely spoken.

Vicalliose wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

GetRightRobot wrote:It's not so much Bay's style that confounds me. Actually, explosion obsession goes well with waring alien robots. It's everything else. A lot is the scripting. Terrible story telling. I know the movies grossed a metric $*&(^ ton of money, but they (all 3) got terrible reviews from not only critics, but many fans. The movies fall into an all flash, no substance category for me. It's as if, they don't really count. My complaint, is that as long as the movies continue the way they are going, it will always be a joke, summer action flick with no merit for story telling or character development. These movies will not impact another generation like previous iterations of transformers have. Why? because every movie now has jaw dropping special effects, 3d features and T & A. They are not special or exceptional in any way.

The G1 cartoon wasn't that special either, but people are still enamored with it. So enamored in fact that it's practically a weird obsession. It was a 30 minute toy commercial and nothing more. No great character development, no deep stories, just a bunch of robots looking cool so kids would cry and scream for their parents to buy the toys. And you know what? We loved it anyway.

I noticed the same damn thing while I've been watching G1 the past few weeks. At least the movies try to have a story.

Why do people who make an argument for or against the movie always fall back on G1? That's not the only Transformers story out there. There have been WAAAAAAY better tellings of the story since G1. If writers and directors are only going off of G1 then they'll never do it justice.

Because that's what the people complaining the loudest always want "Moar Geewun!!" "Make the robots look like they're made of bland detail-less cardboard boxes like in Geewun!" "Use the exact same 1980's vehicles from Geewun, even though you never see on the road anymore" They've got their nostalgia goggles on so tight it's cutting off the blood flow to their brains. I know the movies have their flaws, but making it "moar Geewun!" is only going to make it worse. More character development and less human shenanigans, that's fine, I welcome it. Making the bots look like they were designed by a 5 year old and giving them outdated alt modes? Terrible ideas.