Top 5 Best Nemesis Prime / Scourge Transformers Toys

I love the Big Convoy mold as much as the next guy. I currently own four of it as of this typing, even.

But Car Robots Black Convoy still holds the #1 spot for me as far as Black Convoy/Nemesis Prime is concerned. Such a gorgeous deco on such an exquisite mold.

Also, I gotta give a shout-out to the two progenitors of the "black evil Optimus doppelganger" concept: Onyx Primal and Copy Convoy.

I've never liked the colour scheme on the robot mode of the Mammoth Nemesis Prime. Even though he's technically a Maximal, give me Black Big Convoy any day.

The BH version has a very small head.With the POTP one,the backpack has the same color,same for Skywarp 2015,the BEAST FIRE Predaking is worst but i have painted his horns in orange,they aren't identicals,red at center.

My list:

5. Nucleon Quest Optimus Prime
4. Legends EX Black Convoy
3. PoTP Nemesis Prime
2. Car Robots Black Convoy
1. MP-10B

Honorable mention: Armada Nemesis Prime

I would push RiD Scourge to the top slot, and toss one of the other slots for a tie between these two:

Seriously Will, why didn't these get even a mention?

Nucleon Quest Super Convoy might displace another of those listed in my book. He would at least get an honorable mention.

All I want is a g1 nemesis prime from the original optimus prime, yes I know there is a ko but I don't collect ko's

Why are people mentioning Nucleon Quest Super Convoy? He may have the deco, but he's not a Nemesis Prime.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I would push RiD Scourge to the top slot, and toss one of the other slots for a tie between these two:

Seriously Will, why didn't these get even a mention?

Nucleon Quest Super Convoy might displace another of those listed in my book. He would at least get an honorable mention.

None of these are Nemesis Primes.

Great list as always, Will! I like the choices made for each spot, and pretty much every choice is there for me. My list is slightly different, however.

5) POTP Nemesis Prime
4) Legends EX Black Convoy
3) Masterpiece MP10-B
2) Universe Nemesis Mammoth
1) RID Scourge

Nice list!

Ihe Power of the Primes toy has the best look in vehicle mode,since there is the robot parts in the trailer blend in more than normal.

Shout-out to Armada for giving us the Nemesis Prime name.

Day 174 of waiting for Transformers Armada Masterpiece news.

TulioDude wrote:Shout-out to Armada for giving us the Nemesis Prime name.

A shout-out to all of those who pioneered the Nemesis Prime concept.

Beast Wars Onyx Primal: The first evil back Optimus doppelganger

Beast Wars II Copy Convoy: The first one to appear in animation

Car Robots Black Convoy: The first one to give us the Japanese name "Black Convoy" and the first (and only) one to have a major role in animation

Armada Nemesis Prime: The first one to give us the English name "Nemesis Prime" and the first to be Unicronian in origin

Alternators Nemesis Prime/Binaltech Black Convoy: The first one to mesh the English "Nemesis Prime" and Japanese "Black Convoy" names together into referring to the same concept, which has mostly become the standard to this day

1. PotP NemmyP - It's just such a fun mold/toy with some amazing head sculpts and cool accessories (especially Giza).

2. Siege Nemesis Prime
3. Legends Black Convoy

4. T30 Nemesis Prime "a pocket full of evil"



I've always dug this mold and it's IDW stylings.

5. TF Prime Arms Micron Nemesis Prime



I know this Nemesis was just a human controlled robot, but he was a formidable opponent and I feel that still fits the bill. It's a mold that doesn't get a lot of love, but I still feel that it's great.

Mammoth nemesis Prime, the Japanese Black Convoy, and Funpub's version will always be my favorites. Maybe one day I'll want a newer, eviller looking one, but that ay hasn't come yet.

I actually took apart the Japanese G2 Black Convoy and put laser rod Prime's electronics in there to recreate the effect. He was actually remolded to make this stupidly difficult.

I have a shocking confession to make... I have no Nemesis Primes... Though I'm looking at Scourge to be my first

megatronus wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I would push RiD Scourge to the top slot, and toss one of the other slots for a tie between these two:

Seriously Will, why didn't these get even a mention?

Nucleon Quest Super Convoy might displace another of those listed in my book. He would at least get an honorable mention.

None of these are Nemesis Primes.

Fair point.. I got confused by the thread title, because Will didn't start a new thread even though a Nemesis Prime-specific list isn't a straight update of the list that started this thread.

It's great that a Beast Wars mold is the first.

I would have exchanged positions 5 and 2, the LG-EX is an excellent remastered mold of Scourge.

RacerCheetor wrote:It's great that a Beast Wars mold is the first.

I would have exchanged positions 5 and 2, the LG-EX is an excellent remastered mold of Scourge.

Eh. It's cool and all, but it's still an undersize imitation that's missing features.

Siege Nemesis Prime and MP-10B both surpass anything on this list, and it’s not even close. It’s preposterous neither of them were included.

Ha ha ha no. SIEGE isn't even a contender with some of the others out there (ESPECIALLY the likes of RiD Scourge). The only figure SIEGE Nemmy would rank at all higher than is United Black Convoy.
MP-10B is alright, but he's just "MP-10 in the color scheme" so LGEX Black Convoy edges ahead of him.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:MP-10B is alright, but he's just "MP-10 in the color scheme" so LGEX Black Convoy edges ahead of him.

Yeah, that's what I felt. It's also what I feel about the movie molds you presented earlier. The movie toy I was contemplating though was this one since while it happens to be the best version (deco wise) of a good mold, it's also a representation of an actual movie verse Nemesis Prime.



But yeah not a fan of simple redecos of G1 Primes being given a Nemesis/Scourge paint job since Nemesis/Scourge never was G1 prime in black and teal until it became the defacto lazy redeco. And you can tell it doesn't work since without extra parts like tall shoulders or the like, you have less areas to give teal highlights.

By comparison, we can look at the examples I used like the one from Universe or Transformers Go where the designers had fun seeing how they could use that teal and make the colour scheme more unique rather than just a black Prime.

Well, I brought up those two Primes more thinking of the thread title rather than the Nemesis Prime focus of your list anyway.
I felt they were at least deserving of a mention because ROTF Black Optimus eschews the typical black-with-teal-accents colors, and the DotM one is more traditional but IMO wears the teal particularly well because it's used for the flames plus he has the Jetwing parts for extra flare.
But they aren't Nemesis Primes anyway, so never mind.

william-james88 wrote:But yeah not a fan of simple redecos of G1 Primes being given a Nemesis/Scourge paint job since Nemesis/Scourge never was G1 prime in black and teal until it became the defacto lazy redeco.

Yeah, and fictional-speaking (for Japanese fiction, specifically), the first Nemesis Prime/Black Convoy to appear in G1 fiction was the Binaltech version, who had that toy's pickup truck body before Optimus got one of his own in his colors.

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:But yeah not a fan of simple redecos of G1 Primes being given a Nemesis/Scourge paint job since Nemesis/Scourge never was G1 prime in black and teal until it became the defacto lazy redeco.

Yeah, and fictional-speaking (for Japanese fiction, specifically), the first Nemesis Prime/Black Convoy to appear in G1 fiction was the Binaltech version, who had that toy's pickup truck body before Optimus got one of his own in his colors.

Yeah I knew of that, hence why I mentioned the shoulders. It's kind of fun how, be it coincidence or not, shoulder kibble with teal highlights is a prominant feature of the character's initial toys and fictional appearances.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Well, I brought up those two Primes more thinking of the thread title rather than the Nemesis Prime focus of your list anyway.
I felt they were at least deserving of a mention because ROTF Black Optimus eschews the typical black-with-teal-accents colors, and the DotM one is more traditional but IMO wears the teal particularly well because it's used for the flames plus he has the Jetwing parts for extra flare.
But they aren't Nemesis Primes anyway, so never mind.

No worries. And yeah, I agree on both counts, hence why I am glad the DotM version is highlighted in Megatronus' original article.

MP-10B also had an ostensibly JG1 bio, but nothing's ever been done with him yet. Perhaps MP-49 will have a more extended bio set in JG1 with more story content, but time will tell.

william-james88 wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:MP-10B is alright, but he's just "MP-10 in the color scheme" so LGEX Black Convoy edges ahead of him.

But yeah not a fan of simple redecos of G1 Primes being given a Nemesis/Scourge paint job since Nemesis/Scourge never was G1 prime in black and teal until it became the defacto lazy redeco.

Nemesis Prime is literally a clone of Optimus (it even says so in the bio: https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Nemesis_Prime_(G1)), so of course it makes sense for him to be color palette-swapped.

I'm glad to see Universe Nemesis at #1, I think he's a serious contender for the most awesome deco in the history of Transformers.

carytheone wrote:5. TF Prime Arms Micron Nemesis Prime



I know this Nemesis was just a human controlled robot, but he was a formidable opponent and I feel that still fits the bill. It's a mold that doesn't get a lot of love, but I still feel that it's great.

While this deco wouldn't make the list for me, it's nice to see that mold get a shoutout. Awesome figure.

Armada Nemesis should have made it, specifically the Takara version.

adamage1 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:MP-10B is alright, but he's just "MP-10 in the color scheme" so LGEX Black Convoy edges ahead of him.

But yeah not a fan of simple redecos of G1 Primes being given a Nemesis/Scourge paint job since Nemesis/Scourge never was G1 prime in black and teal until it became the defacto lazy redeco.

Nemesis Prime is literally a clone of Optimus (it even says so in the bio: https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Nemesis_Prime_(G1)), so of course it makes sense for him to be color palette-swapped.

But not of the G1 Optimus Prime body from the sunbow cartoons, at least not initially, that's the whole point.
Here is the pic the TF wiki uses for Nemesis:



As you'll see, that ain't G1 sunbow prime in black colours.
So toys like MP 10 B are just a straight Optimus redeco homaging a Scourge colour scheme and nothing more. Sometimes it works but often times it's boring AF bringing nothing interesting to the table.

Given the recent trend of MP bios being written with the JG1 universe in mind, one could say that MP-10B's profile was set in the JG1 universe, but so far no story has done anything with him. We'll have to wait and see if MP-49 gets any kind of extensive profile that tells of his story in the JG1 universe.

And which would not contradict or interfere with the Binaltech version's story since Binaltech splintered off from JG1 into its own separate timeline from that of the main JG1 one.

YRQRM0 wrote:Armada Nemesis should have made it, specifically the Takara version.

Both he and the Arms Micron toy mentioned above are there in spirit with the POTP mold which homages them both.

I'm just going to have to trust this list, i only own a single Nemesis Prime, and that is the Takara Movie the Best one. But that is a great toy, so I feel it would make my list if i did own all of these

This is basically the main Nemesis Prime thread, I'd like to share an idea of mine that I came up with awhile ago.

Back in January, I had acquired this toy, Platinum Edition "Year of the Goat" Optimus Prime:


I acquired this toy because I was inspired by another user on another board who decided to use this toy to represent a ghost version of Optimus Prime, which he wanted to go with his Masterpiece Ghostbusters Optimus toy so that it could be a ghost for that Optimus to hunt. He has done something similar with other translucent TF toys, using them as more ghosts for his Ghostbusters MP Prime.

This idea of his inspired me to pick this toy up and do something similar with it. Though, while he uses it as a ghost of Optimus, I have instead repurposed it as the ghost of another character, one more relevant to this thread.

RiD 2001 Scourge (a.k.a Car Robots Black Convoy).

Especially with the silver chrome trailer, this figure just reads more as Scourge than as Optimus to me, and I am grateful that there was no name printed anywhere on this figure.

The prospect of this figure being Scourge as a ghost also just sounds more interesting to me than it being just another Optimus toy, as I had zero interest in using this toy as Optimus.

As for the nature of this Ghost Scourge character, I envision him as something like DC's Spectre or Marvel's Ghost Rider, a spirit of divine vengeance who, after his premature demise, was given a second chance by Primus to serve as as a sort of Cybertronian Grim Reaper embodying Primus's divine wrath and judgement.



His Autobot symbols being a hybrid of the traditional one and the Year of the Goat Kanji work with this idea in that they look more like defaced/scarred/distorted versions of the normal Autobot symbol, as though Primus had attempted to return Scourge to his originally-intended faction (as he was born from a Autobot protoform that had been turned evil by Predacon spark energy) but, as a consequence of some of Scourge's personality refusing to fully return to the side of good, his insignia came out twisted and misshapen, as a sign of Scourge's unwillingness to shed all of his evil nature, meeting Primus halfway in a compromise that makes him a neutrally-aligned figure, willing to declare judgement on Autobot and Predacon alike.

Anyone wanting to use this idea can feel free to come up with their own backstory as to how and why Scourge died, but my personal backstory for this guy is that he is specifically the Scourge from the OTFCC 2004 "Shell Game" universe, who, according to Ask Vector Prime, was turned into the mindless monster Toxitron by Megazarak. The reasons I chose to make him specifically the ghost of "Shell Game" Scourge/Toxitron instead of just the ghost of the normal RiD cartoon Scourge are:

• Around the time I got this figure, I had also acquired an OTFCC 2004 Megazarak of my own and got to thinking more about the larger story of "Shell Game" that AVP added on to it, and liked the idea of the Scourge who was turned into Toxitron getting his long overdue revenge on Megazarak in the end (see more about this further down).
• I also wanted a way that I could have this figure and my Car Robots Black Convoy figure (who would represent the normal cartoon version of Scourge) fight each other as separate individuals coexisting at the same time as each other, and without the ghost being some future version who travels back in time to fight his living self, thus dooming his own existence if he kills his living self before his time. This way, it's two distinct versions of the same guy fighting each other with no danger of paradoxes.

Following on from the fate of this version of Scourge getting turned into Toxitron, come my own new ideas:

After dying a dog's death, this Scourge's spark was spared by Primus, who took pity on the tortured soul after his having suffered so much in his painful existence as Toxitron. With his spark's exposure first to Megatron's Predacon spark power and then to Tox-En, Scourge's spark had mutated beyond recognition, with only Primus's divine touch able to cleanse it and finally give Scourge some sense of peace.

However, Scourge was not ready to die and insisted that his business in life remained unfinished. Having already taken pity on Scourge and sensing a strong will within him, Primus gave Scourge the choice of becoming his angel of vengeance, which would allow him to settle his score with Megazarak (whom Primus had also taken notice of), but at the cost of shedding his evil ways and serving Primus himself. Though Scourge loathed the thought of becoming a "good guy", he begrudgingly accepted since he really wanted to pay back Megazarak. Primus allowed some of Scourge's personality to remain intact, as illustrated by the distorted versions of the Autobrand he wore. But as he was no longer fully corporeal, he also had to give up his ambitions of conquest and domination.

Though, he would get to live a new "life" in which he could go on killing and torturing certain people for all eternity, which he enjoyed. Particularly, getting to torment Megazarak for all time, following his defeat at the hands of the Autobot Defensor, sounded wonderful to Scourge. And now, he spends his existence striking down those whose time is up and who have lived lives so wicked and malicious that they deserve only the worst sentences of all, by the Scourge of Primus.


For those who prefer the Car Robots version of the character, an idea for a Japanese name of this form would be "Shadow Convoy".

That is an awesome bit of personal canon