Skybound Entertainment is Looking to Acquire the Publishing Rights to Transformers
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Posted by william-james88 on December 15th, 2021 @ 11:20am CST
AcademyofDrX wrote:Hollywood Reporter's Heat Vision Blog confirms Rich Johnson's report: Skybound Entertainment in talks to acquire the Transformers and GI Joe comics licenses.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ ... 235060895/
What do you mean by confirm? Doesn,t this go against what Rich said since he said Image would be the new home for these comics?
Posted by AcademyofDrX on December 15th, 2021 @ 11:29am CST
william-james88 wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:Hollywood Reporter's Heat Vision Blog confirms Rich Johnson's report: Skybound Entertainment in talks to acquire the Transformers and GI Joe comics licenses.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ ... 235060895/
What do you mean by confirm? Doesn,t this go against what Rich said since he said Image would be the new home for these comics?
Skybound Entertainment is an Image Studio. In Johnston's original report, he speculated that a studio was a likely home, as Image generally doesn't publish external IP. His two main scoops--rights available, Image most likely home--both track with Heat Vision's report.
Relevant section from Bleeding Cool report about Image:
"Image Comics is best known these days as a publisher of solely creator-owned comic books but with the various studios, that is not always the case. I don't know whether the production will be through an existing Partner studio that publish through Image such as Top Cow, Todd McFarlane Studios, Silverline, Highbrow or Skybound. It may be set up like an independent studio through Image Comics such as the Netflix-owned Millarworld, or these new creator imprints such as that from former IDW EIC Chris Ryall and Ashley Wood. Or something else entirely."
That Kirkman's Skybound is negotiating is Heat Vision's scoop, but it further validates Johnson's reporting, it doesn't challenge it.
Posted by william-james88 on December 15th, 2021 @ 1:07pm CST
AcademyofDrX wrote:william-james88 wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:Hollywood Reporter's Heat Vision Blog confirms Rich Johnson's report: Skybound Entertainment in talks to acquire the Transformers and GI Joe comics licenses.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ ... 235060895/
What do you mean by confirm? Doesn,t this go against what Rich said since he said Image would be the new home for these comics?
Skybound Entertainment is an Image Studio. In Johnston's original report, he speculated that a studio was a likely home, as Image generally doesn't publish external IP. His two main scoops--rights available, Image most likely home--both track with Heat Vision's report.
Relevant section from Bleeding Cool report about Image:
"Image Comics is best known these days as a publisher of solely creator-owned comic books but with the various studios, that is not always the case. I don't know whether the production will be through an existing Partner studio that publish through Image such as Top Cow, Todd McFarlane Studios, Silverline, Highbrow or Skybound. It may be set up like an independent studio through Image Comics such as the Netflix-owned Millarworld, or these new creator imprints such as that from former IDW EIC Chris Ryall and Ashley Wood. Or something else entirely."
That Kirkman's Skybound is negotiating is Heat Vision's scoop, but it further validates Johnson's reporting, it doesn't challenge it.
Alright, thanks for the explanation.
Posted by AcademyofDrX on December 15th, 2021 @ 1:19pm CST
william-james88 wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:william-james88 wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:Hollywood Reporter's Heat Vision Blog confirms Rich Johnson's report: Skybound Entertainment in talks to acquire the Transformers and GI Joe comics licenses.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ ... 235060895/
What do you mean by confirm? Doesn,t this go against what Rich said since he said Image would be the new home for these comics?
Skybound Entertainment is an Image Studio. In Johnston's original report, he speculated that a studio was a likely home, as Image generally doesn't publish external IP. His two main scoops--rights available, Image most likely home--both track with Heat Vision's report.
Relevant section from Bleeding Cool report about Image:
"Image Comics is best known these days as a publisher of solely creator-owned comic books but with the various studios, that is not always the case. I don't know whether the production will be through an existing Partner studio that publish through Image such as Top Cow, Todd McFarlane Studios, Silverline, Highbrow or Skybound. It may be set up like an independent studio through Image Comics such as the Netflix-owned Millarworld, or these new creator imprints such as that from former IDW EIC Chris Ryall and Ashley Wood. Or something else entirely."
That Kirkman's Skybound is negotiating is Heat Vision's scoop, but it further validates Johnson's reporting, it doesn't challenge it.
Alright, thanks for the explanation.
I thought of a better way to clarify, though mostly just adding this for myself.
The Image studio model can be considered like a movie studio model. Disney is a feature film distributor similar to how Image Comics is a publisher. Various Disney studios (like Marvel Studios, Lucasfilm, 20th Century, Disney Animation, Pixar) actually make the movie. So this is a situation like saying "Disney is going to release a movie" and then adding "Pixar will make it."
One of the ways Skybound is different is that they're actually an independent company rather than a division of Image. So the Transformers license won't be an Image property, just a Skybound one. That's the same way the Lego comics will be put out next year.
I hope that clarifies, I've been trying to follow these things for some time, since modern fandom is largely defined by corporate IP.
Posted by Big Grim on December 16th, 2021 @ 4:37am CST
AcademyofDrX wrote:Just this year IDW has already lost the Ghostbusters.
This, however, was a crying shame. Their Ghostbusters comics were almost universally great. They got the feel and the characters down damn near perfectly.
Grim
Posted by DecepticonFinishline on December 16th, 2021 @ 1:01pm CST
Posted by ZeroWolf on December 16th, 2021 @ 4:56pm CST
DecepticonFinishline wrote:What if, instead of anything with comics, Skybound just did Transformers video games? I would be very down for that.
Do they even do video games? Plus we're only talking the comic licence which is very different to video games (i think hasbro just hand that out project to project)
Posted by AcademyofDrX on December 16th, 2021 @ 6:23pm CST
ZeroWolf wrote:DecepticonFinishline wrote:What if, instead of anything with comics, Skybound just did Transformers video games? I would be very down for that.
Do they even do video games? Plus we're only talking the comic licence which is very different to video games (i think hasbro just hand that out project to project)
They publish games, but I don't think they make them. I only know them from the Telltale Walking Dead series. I think what's happening there is that they license out the franchise, which is owned by Kirkman's company, to external developers, but they get to publish the title. That's a very different business structure than you would see for a Transformers game, and I agree that it's almost certainly beyond the scope of this deal.
Posted by william-james88 on December 17th, 2021 @ 6:57am CST
DecepticonFinishline wrote:What if, instead of anything with comics, Skybound just did Transformers video games? I would be very down for that.
Right now, Skybound is only negotiating for publishing rights, video games are a different matter and a different license.
Posted by Burn on January 21st, 2022 @ 12:09am CST
“At the end of 2022, IDW will bid a fond farewell to the publication of G.I. Joe and Transformers comic books and graphic novels,” the company said in a statement provided to THR. “We’re exceedingly proud of our stewardship of these titles – 17 years with the Robots in Disguise and 14 years with A Real American Hero – and thank the legion of fans for their unwavering support, month in and month out. We’re also eternally grateful to every one of the talented creators who helped bring these characters to four-color life through our comics.”
...
The monthly Transformers series will wrap up by mid-summer, while the Transformers: Beast Wars series, too, will come to its conclusion this summer. That will lead to two new miniseries events. The company will also publish a variety of special one-shot projects spotlighting heroes and villains from across Transformers history.
Posted by Big Grim on January 21st, 2022 @ 6:28am CST
~ Grim
Posted by snavej on January 21st, 2022 @ 7:15am CST
Posted by partholon on January 21st, 2022 @ 1:58pm CST
maybe whomever gets the license will produce something actually worth buying again.
Posted by AcademyofDrX on January 21st, 2022 @ 3:24pm CST
Editor David Mariotte: https://twitter.com/IDW_David_M/status/ ... r9HWg&s=19
Former editor and writer John Barber:
https://twitter.com/TheJohnBarber/statu ... kSnhw&s=19
Marvel, Dreamwave, and IDW TF writer Simon Furman:
https://twitter.com/SimonFurman3/status ... 3zrjQ&s=19
Writer and real-life inspiration for Rung James Roberts:
https://twitter.com/jroberts332/status/ ... gGEsg&s=19
Posted by AcademyofDrX on January 21st, 2022 @ 4:05pm CST
https://twitter.com/jcburcham/status/14 ... U3JfQ&s=19
Individual posts
Wreckers artist and co-writer Nick Roche: https://twitter.com/NickRoche/status/14 ... 4HFPg&s=19
https://twitter.com/NickRoche/status/14 ... qjSOw&s=19
Artist Casey Coller
https://twitter.com/CaseyWColler/status ... hZfSA&s=19
https://twitter.com/CaseyWColler/status ... d2o4A&s=19
https://twitter.com/CaseyWColler/status ... Oq51Q&s=19
Artist Andrew Griffith:
https://twitter.com/glovestudios/status ... ZFXUA&s=19
Artist Jack Lawrence:
https://twitter.com/JLawrence_Art/statu ... gotsA&s=19
Just a handful, it was important for me to attach some names and faces to this legacy and the news.
Posted by Rodimus Prime on January 22nd, 2022 @ 11:26am CST
As long as they don't rehire some of the writers and artists working on it now.partholon wrote:Good.
maybe whomever gets the license will produce something actually worth buying again.
But overall the IDW stuff was pretty good. Everyone has an opinion, but the fact that they were able to stay in business for 17 years with the title means they did some things right.
Posted by ScottyP on January 22nd, 2022 @ 2:48pm CST
The Hollywood Reporter wrote:“At the end of 2022, IDW will bid a fond farewell to the publication of G.I. Joe and Transformers comic books and graphic novels,” the company said in a statement provided to THR. “We’re exceedingly proud of our stewardship of these titles — 17 years with the Robots in Disguise and 14 years with A Real American Hero — and thank the legion of fans for their unwavering support, month in and month out. We’re also eternally grateful to every one of the talented creators who helped bring these characters to four-color life through our comics.”
The Hollywood Reporter wrote:The monthly Transformers series will wrap up by mid-summer, while the Transformers: Beast Wars series will come to its conclusion this summer, too. That will lead to two new miniseries events. The company will also publish a variety of special one-shot projects spotlighting heroes and villains from across Transformers history.
Several IDW employees, former employees, editors, writers, artists and more have also commented on the news on social media platform Twitter. This includes current editor David Mariotte, former EIC and Transformers writer John Barber, former President and one of the major players in IDW's initial acquisition of the Transformers license Chris Ryall, writers Simon Furman, James Roberts and Erik Burnham, and artists including Casey Coller, Andrew Griffith, Josh Burcham, Nick Roche and Jack Lawrence among others.
Questions remain for several fans such as the ultimate fate of the long-running, slow-releasing IDW Collection hardcover series, which will only reach the beginnings of the Optimus Prime and Lost Light series with its upcoming March release of Phase 3, Volume 2. Whether these collections will ever by completed is yet to be seen. Who - if anyone, for a time - will release Transformers comics beginning in 2023 is also yet to be confirmed, though previous rumors point to Skybound Entertainment.
Whatever your opinion is on IDW's Transformers run throughout the years, it can't be denied that their 17 years creating Transformers stories has had a colossal impact on fans and the brand itself. A heartfelt "thank you" is the least we can offer for all of the creative minds that brought us this soon-to-conclude era of Transformers comics for the fun and entertainment provided over the years.
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 23rd, 2022 @ 3:15am CST
Posted by ZeroWolf on January 23rd, 2022 @ 5:31am CST
Anyways, what I would expect from the new studio is maybe one ongoing/miniseries at first and then branch from there. Keep things simple. Also learned that these are the folks that have been cranking out lego ninjago comics.
I do wonder if they'll attempt yet another G1 re-imagining or will it be based on the new cartoon heading our way
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 23rd, 2022 @ 5:39am CST
ZeroWolf wrote:I quite like the new beast Wars comic actually if people were this hung up on art style then Animated/Cyberverse would never have become fan favourites. Though I should point out that only Animated achieved the double punch of show and toyline being favourites, as the Cyberverse toyline was geared to a different audience so of course, people attacked it.
Anyways, what I would expect from the new studio is maybe one ongoing/miniseries at first and then branch from there. Keep things simple. Also learned that these are the folks that have been cranking out lego ninjago comics.
I do wonder if they'll attempt yet another G1 re-imagining or will it be based on the new cartoon heading our way
There's Animated, and there's the awful BW comic.
Look at this awful picture:
-
It's basically worse than anything Animated had to offer. Also, I think Animated toys didn't sell that well, due to the aesthetic, if I recall? The toys were only out for a year, and many were unreleased?
Posted by AcademyofDrX on January 23rd, 2022 @ 7:53am CST
primalxconvoy wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:I quite like the new beast Wars comic actually if people were this hung up on art style then Animated/Cyberverse would never have become fan favourites. Though I should point out that only Animated achieved the double punch of show and toyline being favourites, as the Cyberverse toyline was geared to a different audience so of course, people attacked it.
Anyways, what I would expect from the new studio is maybe one ongoing/miniseries at first and then branch from there. Keep things simple. Also learned that these are the folks that have been cranking out lego ninjago comics.
I do wonder if they'll attempt yet another G1 re-imagining or will it be based on the new cartoon heading our way
There's Animated, and there's the awful BW comic.
Look at this awful picture:
-
It's basically worse than anything Animated had to offer. Also, I think Animated toys didn't sell that well, due to the aesthetic, if I recall? The toys were only out for a year, and many were unreleased?
It's not "bad," it's stylized. You don't have to like it, but it's an aesthetic choice. In general I really like Burcham's art style and character designs, I think they have a lot more personality than most Transformers art. It's not for everyone, but that's true of a lot of comic art, especially the best of it.
Posted by ScottyP on January 23rd, 2022 @ 9:46am CST
I'd bet actual money it'll be G1 redone comic version 4.ZeroWolf wrote:I do wonder if they'll attempt yet another G1 re-imagining or will it be based on the new cartoon heading our way
Personally, I'd love to see just an entirely new thing. Unlike cartoons where budget has a huge influence on new designs, how many characters can be around, how many of them can transform and how often you don't have that restriction in a comic. Great opportunity for a team with the right imagination to just go nuts.
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 23rd, 2022 @ 10:32am CST
AcademyofDrX wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:I quite like the new beast Wars comic actually if people were this hung up on art style then Animated/Cyberverse would never have become fan favourites. Though I should point out that only Animated achieved the double punch of show and toyline being favourites, as the Cyberverse toyline was geared to a different audience so of course, people attacked it.
Anyways, what I would expect from the new studio is maybe one ongoing/miniseries at first and then branch from there. Keep things simple. Also learned that these are the folks that have been cranking out lego ninjago comics.
I do wonder if they'll attempt yet another G1 re-imagining or will it be based on the new cartoon heading our way
There's Animated, and there's the awful BW comic.
Look at this awful picture:
-
It's basically worse than anything Animated had to offer. Also, I think Animated toys didn't sell that well, due to the aesthetic, if I recall? The toys were only out for a year, and many were unreleased?
It's not "bad," it's stylized. You don't have to like it, but it's an aesthetic choice. In general I really like Burcham's art style and character designs, I think they have a lot more personality than most Transformers art. It's not for everyone, but that's true of a lot of comic art, especially the best of it.
Of course it's "stylised", but then again, so too is a picture, drawn in mud, using a twig and we can still say it's "bad" because of it. It's also most certainly not anywhere near the "best" of any contemporary comic art either. It looks like sh*t, IMO and I will be most pleased if the new compsny avoids it like the plague that it truly is.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on January 23rd, 2022 @ 10:34am CST
Posted by AcademyofDrX on January 23rd, 2022 @ 10:55am CST
primalxconvoy wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:I quite like the new beast Wars comic actually if people were this hung up on art style then Animated/Cyberverse would never have become fan favourites. Though I should point out that only Animated achieved the double punch of show and toyline being favourites, as the Cyberverse toyline was geared to a different audience so of course, people attacked it.
Anyways, what I would expect from the new studio is maybe one ongoing/miniseries at first and then branch from there. Keep things simple. Also learned that these are the folks that have been cranking out lego ninjago comics.
I do wonder if they'll attempt yet another G1 re-imagining or will it be based on the new cartoon heading our way
There's Animated, and there's the awful BW comic.
Look at this awful picture:
-
It's basically worse than anything Animated had to offer. Also, I think Animated toys didn't sell that well, due to the aesthetic, if I recall? The toys were only out for a year, and many were unreleased?
It's not "bad," it's stylized. You don't have to like it, but it's an aesthetic choice. In general I really like Burcham's art style and character designs, I think they have a lot more personality than most Transformers art. It's not for everyone, but that's true of a lot of comic art, especially the best of it.
Of course it's "stylised", but then again, so too is a picture, drawn in mud, using a twig and we can still say it's "bad" because of it. It's also most certainly not anywhere near the "best" of any contemporary comic art either. It looks like sh*t, IMO and I will be most pleased if the new compsny avoids it like the plague that it truly is.
You're completely missing my point, but I think we'll have to agree to disagree. Odds are, if you think a comic book from a major publisher looks like it was drawn by a seven year old, that's because you read comics like a seven year old.
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 23rd, 2022 @ 11:04am CST
AcademyofDrX wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:I quite like the new beast Wars comic actually if people were this hung up on art style then Animated/Cyberverse would never have become fan favourites. Though I should point out that only Animated achieved the double punch of show and toyline being favourites, as the Cyberverse toyline was geared to a different audience so of course, people attacked it.
Anyways, what I would expect from the new studio is maybe one ongoing/miniseries at first and then branch from there. Keep things simple. Also learned that these are the folks that have been cranking out lego ninjago comics.
I do wonder if they'll attempt yet another G1 re-imagining or will it be based on the new cartoon heading our way
There's Animated, and there's the awful BW comic.
Look at this awful picture:
-
It's basically worse than anything Animated had to offer. Also, I think Animated toys didn't sell that well, due to the aesthetic, if I recall? The toys were only out for a year, and many were unreleased?
It's not "bad," it's stylized. You don't have to like it, but it's an aesthetic choice. In general I really like Burcham's art style and character designs, I think they have a lot more personality than most Transformers art. It's not for everyone, but that's true of a lot of comic art, especially the best of it.
Of course it's "stylised", but then again, so too is a picture, drawn in mud, using a twig and we can still say it's "bad" because of it. It's also most certainly not anywhere near the "best" of any contemporary comic art either. It looks like sh*t, IMO and I will be most pleased if the new compsny avoids it like the plague that it truly is.
You're completely missing my point, but I think we'll have to agree to disagree. Odds are, if you think a comic book from a major publisher looks like it was drawn by a seven year old, that's because you read comics like a seven year old.
No.
The odds are, everyone has their own valid opinions as to what they like and dislike. I understood perfectly what you wrote and simply disagree with it. I read and interpret both written and semiotic language and am able to formulate when I think something looks like complete and utter dogsh*t, cheers. If that contradicts your view of things, that's your own problem. I couldn't give a fig.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 23rd, 2022 @ 11:38am CST
My hope is for the Transformers comics to become a manga instead. A manga written and drawn by Japanese artists that have only good stories in mind without any message.
Posted by AcademyofDrX on January 23rd, 2022 @ 11:43am CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:Western comics have been in a downward spiral ever since the woke cancer started seeping through. IDW was no exception.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 23rd, 2022 @ 11:49am CST
AcademyofDrX wrote:
Is that all you have to say?
Did you know that the single manga Demon Slayer sold more than the ENTIRE WESTERN COMICS INDUSTRY last year?
There's a reason for that.
Get out of your bubble to find out.
Posted by AcademyofDrX on January 23rd, 2022 @ 11:55am CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:
Is that all you have to say?
Did you know that the single manga Demon Slayer sold more than the ENTIRE WESTERN COMICS INDUSTRY last year?
There's a reason for that.
Get out of your bubble to find out.
Yes, that's all I have to say to Gaters.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 23rd, 2022 @ 12:06pm CST
AcademyofDrX wrote:Yes, that's all I have to say to Gaters.
This is you:
But eh, whatever makes you happy. (づ¬◞ ¬)づ
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 23rd, 2022 @ 12:10pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:Western comics have been in a downward spiral ever since the woke cancer started seeping through. IDW was no exception.
My hope is for the Transformers comics to become a manga instead. A manga written and drawn by Japanese artists that have only good stories in mind without any message.
Sorry to pee on your parade, onesan, but "woke" (as you called it) culture has already entered Japan:
- https://soranews24.com/2021/01/05/high- ... iner-line/
- https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2021 ... tions.html
- https://soranews24.com/2019/11/26/manga ... ntroversy/
- https://soranews24.com/2020/02/11/media ... reviewers/
- https://soranews24.com/2020/02/19/love- ... -in-japan/
- https://nationalpost.com/pmn/entertainm ... -americans
- https://soranews24.com/2020/08/24/artis ... c-comment/
- https://soranews24.com/2020/12/09/petit ... -the-bath/
- https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2021 ... proar.html
- https://soranews24.com/2021/11/19/anime ... aboration/
- https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2017 ... icism.html
- https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/ ... ia-protest
- https://theworldnews.net/jp-news/the-bi ... -backfired
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 23rd, 2022 @ 12:22pm CST
You also won't see these wacky ideas suddenly infect established franchises like for example, Goku in Dragon Ball turning gay for no reasons, or Android 18 revealing to be "trans all along" because why not.
No matter what, there is one universal rule: Money talk.
The decline of American comics is real. Along with Hollywood movies. The woke cancer contributed a lot. No one want to be lectured to when reading fantasy. There's also a need of originality that the West can no longer provide with all their sequels and reboots.
There's also YEARS in development involved and what sold 4 years ago no longer sell today. So everything is in some hard decline and we see flops after flops. It will take some years for the West to produce anything good again. In the meantime, Japan with it's constant renewal and original ideas (despite the onslaught of Isekai fast-food) and pure entertainment value rake in the dough.
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 23rd, 2022 @ 12:34pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:Interesting, but I don't think it's mainstream......yet.
You also won't see these wacky ideas suddenly infect established franchises like for example, Goku in Dragon Ball turning gay for no reasons, or Android 18 revealing to be "trans all along" because why not.
No matter what, there is one universal rule: Money talk.
The decline of American comics is real. Along with Hollywood movies. The woke cancer contributed a lot. No one want to be lectured to when reading fantasy. There's also a need of originality that the West can no longer provide with all their sequels and reboots.
There's also YEARS in development involved and what sold 4 years ago no longer sell today. So everything is in some hard decline and we see flops after flops. It will take some years for the West to produce anything good again. In the meantime, Japan with it's constant renewal and original ideas (despite the onslaught of Isekai fast-food) and pure entertainment value rake in the dough.
Er, I've just shown you evidence that Japan, and its associated mass-media, is dealing with the same social issues that America and other countries are, although perhaps in different ways. Mainstream cartoons are changing how their main characters are depicted in the bath, governmental tourist and police campaigns are being removed due to complaints about the sexist anime girls used in them, more LGBT+ rights are being given to members of the public, debate on how women are being depicted in anime and manga and much more. I've seen evidence of similar things firsthand via conversations with average Japanese people too.
Many of the "mainstream" things you think are such in Japan, be they specific media or matters of culture might not be as you think...
EDIT: - If you want to see a thumbnail/snapshot into (mainstream?) Japanese cultural views, check out this YouTuber; He often interviews people on the streets of Tokyo and/or checks out what Japanese people are discussing on social media about anime, manga and other aspects of Japanese culture:
- https://youtu.be/jUal46yyI8Y
- https://youtu.be/PlRINntYPmo
- https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KsoN70rzV5o&t=1s
- https://youtu.be/jDwtfXUGiZ4
- https://youtu.be/MhOiRZVEYCo
- https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mEp3tN6ctPo
- https://youtu.be/wvwj2mho8_w
- https://youtu.be/gzIPhntXEuA
- https://youtu.be/VlAxSTenSLs
Posted by AcademyofDrX on January 23rd, 2022 @ 12:35pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:Yes, that's all I have to say to Gaters.
This is you:
But eh, whatever makes you happy. (づ¬◞ ¬)づ
What would make me happy is never having to read your cultural warrior drivel in the first place, but they went and put you on staff. So I have to make do.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on January 23rd, 2022 @ 12:35pm CST
Transformers gained a second life via Beast Wars. Which was a radical departure from the original source material. It gained wealth and a wider audience with Bayformers. Which was a less radical. But still, a different enough departure from tradition. That helps with the comics. The Furman run of IDWverse proved that.
Then from All Hail Megatron onwards, G1 crept back in. Then later books forswore the "alien" element altogether and we ended up with talking heads in TF skins and Robo-Sex.
Would Hasbro allow a new departure on that scale? I doubt it. I optimistically hope for it though.
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 23rd, 2022 @ 12:38pm CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I think, licensed IP (80's IP's in particular) have a stigma attached to them. They never seem to achieve the sales of original IP's, such as in Manga. Maybe because the license holder wields a tight, creative leash around them. Meaning they can't deviate too far off-script. That coincides with That part of the fanbase. That thinks everything generated by that IP should only appeal directly to their nostalgic tastes. Which also stifles any and all creativity.
Transformers gained a second life via Beast Wars. Which was a radical departure from the original source material. It gained wealth and a wider audience with Bayformers. Which was a less radical. But still, a different enough departure from tradition. That helps with the comics. The Furman run of IDWverse proved that.
Would Hasbro allow a new departure on that scale? I doubt it. I optimistically hope for it though.
Arguably, in the comics, the Armada Trilogy, in the DW comics at least, was an area that allowed some of the constraints of G1 too be removed, as it was a parallel universe, running in a parallel comic series to the G1 comic at the time.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on January 23rd, 2022 @ 12:44pm CST
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 23rd, 2022 @ 1:01pm CST
But we do love alternative universes and when one is created, everything goes. The beasts in BW, the honorable Starscream in Armada, Miner/Gladiator Megatron in IDW, all this is awesome and it help create original content.
Speaking of the TF Multiverse, there should be a series about the various universes of Transformers clashing. Either in comics form, animated, or both. I'd love to see the reaction of virtuous G1 Optimus toward the bloodlust of Bay Optimus.
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 23rd, 2022 @ 1:14pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:What most fans do not accept are retcons within the same universe. For example, creating a direct sequel to G1 and retconning that Optimus Prime was directly born from the leaves of a cabbage or something.
But we do love alternative universes and when one is created, everything goes. The beasts in BW, the honorable Starscream in Armada, Miner/Gladiator Megatron in IDW, all this is awesome and it help create original content.
Speaking of the TF Multiverse, there should be a series about the various universes of Transformers clashing. Either in comics form, animated, or both. I'd love to see the reaction of virtuous G1 Optimus toward the bloodlust of Bay Optimus.
Well, DW did have a version of the G1 universe "clashing" with the Unicorn Trilogy one. Technically, although aesthetically the "same" universe, in Cyberverse, there was a parallel dimension Megatron that fought Cyberverse Megatron...
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 23rd, 2022 @ 1:22pm CST
primalxconvoy wrote:Well, DW did have a version of the G1 universe "clashing" with the Unicorn Trilogy one. Technically, although aesthetically the "same" universe, in Cyberverse, there was a parallel dimension Megatron that fought Cyberverse Megatron...
After Prime, I lost interest in TF cartoons. Especially with the disastrous Machimina series.
But Cyberverse seems to be the best show since Prime so I should get on to it.
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 23rd, 2022 @ 1:49pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:Well, DW did have a version of the G1 universe "clashing" with the Unicorn Trilogy one. Technically, although aesthetically the "same" universe, in Cyberverse, there was a parallel dimension Megatron that fought Cyberverse Megatron...
After Prime, I lost interest in TF cartoons. Especially with the disastrous Machimina series.
But Cyberverse seems to be the best show since Prime so I should get on to it.
Although Cyberverse basically copied The Matrix for part of its story arc, it was none the worse for it, IMO. Like Animated, the story was great, the aesthetics ok for the show, but the aesthetics didn't entice me to buy any of the toys.
I have not really bought any IDW comics as comics in general seem "distant" to me and not as accessible to buy as TF toys (regardless of whether that is actually the case). I feel that it is harder to get the collected comics editions and know when they come out, than, say, a DVd boxed set. As such, I don't want the hassle of buying individual comics or following long story arcs/series. I would rather have shorter series, set in different universes. More of a "What if?" series than what we currently have with IDW. If they could make comics more accessible that would be great. I have alsways wondered why places like Toys R Us didn't have related comics and merchandise next to the associated toys in that aisle, or nearby (possibly with signs, say, on the shelf labels saying "Go to aisle 4 to check out the latest (TF)
comics or aisle 6 for DVDs of the Bay movies!).
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on January 23rd, 2022 @ 2:55pm CST
So, here are my thoughts on the actual news:
I am sad IDW is no longer going to have the license. They put out some truly fantastic series, and it is going to be very hard to beat the Wreckers stories and MTMTE. The new main continuity may not have had much interest beyond Exarchon, but the side stories and Beast Wars were doing good.
IDW did a lot good, including the longest running continuity ever, the breakthroughs so many creators were given, and truly allowing for some awesome new and original stuff to come out. I will forever appreciate a lot of that material.
I hope that the new license holder goes a whole new direction. G1 redone will not fly again after the latest continuity run. I want to see something truly new and original. That is my dream, as far fetched as it might be.
Cyberverse to me is the definitive G1 redone story, it did it right with the originality. Now that we have that, we need to move beyond G1 redone and just try something new.
Finally, it would be nice for new creators to try to handle things. I want Furman, etc. kept away from the license. If we are changing companies, let's just let it be all new. Let it be new.
Also, if Skybound gets the license, please for the love of all things good keep NFTs away from Transformers. That trend just needs to go away.
Posted by ZeroWolf on January 23rd, 2022 @ 3:05pm CST
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on January 23rd, 2022 @ 3:10pm CST
ZeroWolf wrote:Thanks for the input D Max, though your last comment, have the new studio dabbled in NFTs? I mean, it's only a matter of time till hasbro bring them into Transformers...
I've heard that one of the main leaders of Skybound is into crypto and NFTs, I cannot confirm anything, but I have heard rumors they are in that market
Posted by ZeroWolf on January 23rd, 2022 @ 4:28pm CST
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Thanks for the input D Max, though your last comment, have the new studio dabbled in NFTs? I mean, it's only a matter of time till hasbro bring them into Transformers...
I've heard that one of the main leaders of Skybound is into crypto and NFTs, I cannot confirm anything, but I have heard rumors they are in that market
Ugh that doesn't bode well.
Posted by Rodimus Prime on January 23rd, 2022 @ 4:32pm CST
That's why I never referred to IDW's continuity from 2005 to now as "G1" because it isn't. G1 ended in 1991. Having said that, I did grow to like what IDW had don't from 2012 to 2018. There were some great stories and wonderful art involved, even if I didn't care for all aspects of it.
But I hope whoever takes over the brand doesn't try to do the same. Obviously at least some of the core characters have to be reused, but there are so many others who have had little to no mention.
Even though I also don't care for the new BW comic (seriously, the art is very unappealing) I love the original series and would love to see it both prequeled and expanded upon.
I stopped reading TF comics at the conclusion of RiD/LL/Unicron, as the ending of each series was a letdown for me, but most of it was really good. It even made me go back and get into some of the older IDW stuff. (I stopped reading comics for 7 years after DW folded.) So I can give Roberts and barber credit for getting me back into it.
Not every story will satisfy everyone, but I do agree that the most important aspect of a comic title is content. The story is the primary focus, followed closely by the art. Again, my personal view, but if a book as a great story with mediocre art, I can accept it. But if it's the reverse (as the case with the Ruckley-written story starting in '19), I'll pass.
So whatever the content is, even if it's yet another rehash of G1, I just want an intriguing story with lesser-known characters and an appealing art-style.
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 23rd, 2022 @ 4:46pm CST
ZeroWolf wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Thanks for the input D Max, though your last comment, have the new studio dabbled in NFTs? I mean, it's only a matter of time till hasbro bring them into Transformers...
I've heard that one of the main leaders of Skybound is into crypto and NFTs, I cannot confirm anything, but I have heard rumors they are in that market
Ugh that doesn't bode well.
For them maybe. For me "NFT" stands for "Not Funding This"...
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 23rd, 2022 @ 4:54pm CST
primalxconvoy wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Thanks for the input D Max, though your last comment, have the new studio dabbled in NFTs? I mean, it's only a matter of time till hasbro bring them into Transformers...
I've heard that one of the main leaders of Skybound is into crypto and NFTs, I cannot confirm anything, but I have heard rumors they are in that market
Ugh that doesn't bode well.
For them maybe. For me "NFT" stands for "Not Funding This"...
NFT.
Like I heard in a video, it's akin to the "you buy a star and you even get a certificate" scam. Too many NFT also steal intellectual properties. This, like crypto, will blow up in people's face sooner or later.
Oh, and to come back with your accessibility comment a few posts back, yeah. I'd love to watch Cyberverse but I have no idea where to watch legally. The few torrents I find are iffy too.
As for comics, they should take a hint from manga and make more graphic novels that compile comics and that are affordable.
Another thing that's killing the western comic industry is they charge 5$US to 10$US for 20 or 40 pages max. Comics with adds in them too. F that.
Posted by primalxconvoy on January 23rd, 2022 @ 5:10pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Thanks for the input D Max, though your last comment, have the new studio dabbled in NFTs? I mean, it's only a matter of time till hasbro bring them into Transformers...
I've heard that one of the main leaders of Skybound is into crypto and NFTs, I cannot confirm anything, but I have heard rumors they are in that market
Ugh that doesn't bode well.
For them maybe. For me "NFT" stands for "Not Funding This"...
NFT.
Like I heard in a video, it's akin to the "you buy a star and you even get a certificate" scam. Too many NFT also steal intellectual properties. This, like crypto, will blow up in people's face sooner or later.
Oh, and to come back with your accessibility comment a few posts back, yeah. I'd love to watch Cyberverse but I have no idea where to watch legally. The few torrents I find are iffy too.
As for comics, they should take a hint from manga and make more graphic novels that compile comics and that are affordable.
Another thing that's killing the western comic industry is they charge 5$US to 10$US for 20 or 40 pages max. Comics with adds in them too. F that.
I'm not sure if US viewers can access them, but Cyberverse is legally available at youtube.
Here's third party YouTube link (which are presumably all of the episodes, in order) :
- https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNAW ... J7HgxzYYpu
And here are the official YouTube links (and perhaps unsurprisingly for Hasbro, in the reverse order for Season 3).
Season 1 - https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLN ... MHvvCLvqJk
Season 2 - https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0 ... zxP7E1sNv6
Season 3 - https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7VE ... HvaB9uTxra
Season 4 - https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLU ... U5FCb-H8Hm (Not official).
I couldn't find all of the official sources, as they seemed to be mixed up between both the "Hasbro" and "Transformers Official" channels and in those channels, full-length eps, such as those for season 4, seemed to not be in an official playlist.