Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath
Wednesday, March 16th, 2011 10:43AM CDT
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Thanks to our very own Down_Shift we have an image of the potential remolded head for the soon to be released Generations Warpath! The new head would appear to be Hardhead, which would make a lot of sense considering the alt mode. Take a look at the image below.
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Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195755)
Posted by WolfDawg on March 16th, 2011 @ 10:48am CDT
Posted by WolfDawg on March 16th, 2011 @ 10:48am CDT
It's really hard for me to get excited about this. We've seen remolded heads for Scourge, Wreckgar, Lugnut, Thunderwing, Tomahawk, Terradive, and countless others. The only time I think these remolds have come to fruition is with WFC Cliffjumper and HFTD Axel. When are we going to see the rest of these supposed remolds?
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195756)
Posted by Down_Shift on March 16th, 2011 @ 10:53am CDT
Hasbro has said that they are going to continue Generations through out the movie line.
So probably in the summer.
Posted by Down_Shift on March 16th, 2011 @ 10:53am CDT
WolfDawg wrote:It's really hard for me to get excited about this. We've seen remolded heads for Scourge, Wreckgar, Lugnut, Thunderwing, Tomahawk, Terradive, and countless others. The only time I think these remolds have come to fruition is with WFC Cliffjumper and HFTD Axel. When are we going to see the rest of these supposed remolds?
Hasbro has said that they are going to continue Generations through out the movie line.
So probably in the summer.
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195758)
Posted by Mkall on March 16th, 2011 @ 10:57am CDT
Posted by Mkall on March 16th, 2011 @ 10:57am CDT
I already have a Hardhead, but Another Autobot tank never hurts (unless you're a Decepticon)
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195760)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on March 16th, 2011 @ 10:59am CDT
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on March 16th, 2011 @ 10:59am CDT
So if it really is Hardhead, that would make him the first non-mainstream character to get more than one toy (Universe 2.0 and Generations), barring reissues and Legends! I wonder how that will affect the aftermarket.
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195762)
Posted by RK_Striker_JK_5 on March 16th, 2011 @ 11:08am CDT
Posted by RK_Striker_JK_5 on March 16th, 2011 @ 11:08am CDT
Hmm, interesting. I love my Voyager and new head, but I'll probably pick this up, too.
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195769)
Posted by paul053 on March 16th, 2011 @ 11:20am CDT
Posted by paul053 on March 16th, 2011 @ 11:20am CDT
Isn't there already an ultra class Harhead?
Yes! I want a Decepticon... My CHURG line Decepticons are starting to get out numbered by Autobots now.
Mkall wrote:I already have a Hardhead, but Another Autobot tank never hurts (unless you're a Decepticon)
Yes! I want a Decepticon... My CHURG line Decepticons are starting to get out numbered by Autobots now.
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195770)
Posted by Counterpunch on March 16th, 2011 @ 11:22am CDT
Posted by Counterpunch on March 16th, 2011 @ 11:22am CDT
How very disappointing. Goes well with my theory that the way in which Hasbro is addressing this 3rd party stuff is by releasing the same characters at retail.
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195771)
Posted by Tigertrack on March 16th, 2011 @ 11:22am CDT
Yes, but it had no new head, and was a store exclusive.
Posted by Tigertrack on March 16th, 2011 @ 11:22am CDT
paul053 wrote:Isn't there already an ultra class Harhead?Mkall wrote:I already have a Hardhead, but Another Autobot tank never hurts (unless you're a Decepticon)
Yes! I want a Decepticon... My CHURG line Decepticons are starting to get out numbered by Autobots now.
Yes, but it had no new head, and was a store exclusive.
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195776)
Posted by --B-- on March 16th, 2011 @ 11:26am CDT
Posted by --B-- on March 16th, 2011 @ 11:26am CDT
Hmmm,
I really like my Hardhead with head robots update as Hardhead, but I would still pick this up.
Any suggestions on who to repurpose it as?
Flak?
Tacker from Masterforce would work:
http://www.tfu.info/2004/Cybertron/Tacker/tacker.htm
I really like my Hardhead with head robots update as Hardhead, but I would still pick this up.
Any suggestions on who to repurpose it as?
Flak?
Tacker from Masterforce would work:
http://www.tfu.info/2004/Cybertron/Tacker/tacker.htm
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195780)
Posted by juxtapose519 on March 16th, 2011 @ 11:30am CDT
Posted by juxtapose519 on March 16th, 2011 @ 11:30am CDT
It was pretty obvious this was coming. This mold looks way more like Hardhead than it does Warpath. I, for one, am excited.
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195784)
Posted by Pretender Skywarp on March 16th, 2011 @ 11:33am CDT
Posted by Pretender Skywarp on March 16th, 2011 @ 11:33am CDT
I just wish that Hasbro would officially announce some of these rather than dangling these hints of "what's", "ifs" and "maybes".....!!
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195790)
Posted by Down_Shift on March 16th, 2011 @ 11:57am CDT
Flak was the first one that came to my mind too
Posted by Down_Shift on March 16th, 2011 @ 11:57am CDT
--B-- wrote:Hmmm,
I really like my Hardhead with head robots update as Hardhead, but I would still pick this up.
Any suggestions on who to repurpose it as?
Flak?
Tacker from Masterforce would work:
http://www.tfu.info/2004/Cybertron/Tacker/tacker.htm
Flak was the first one that came to my mind too
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195797)
Posted by Primeultimus on March 16th, 2011 @ 12:05pm CDT
Posted by Primeultimus on March 16th, 2011 @ 12:05pm CDT
Release this and the Junkion together in a Wave.
I will order for sure!
I will order for sure!
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195802)
Posted by Doctor McGrath on March 16th, 2011 @ 12:12pm CDT
If that is the case, I still see it as 3rd Parties 1 Hasbro 0. My Hardhead actually is a head
master. I see what you are saying though but it will not discourage me away from the 3rd party market.
Posted by Doctor McGrath on March 16th, 2011 @ 12:12pm CDT
Counterpunch wrote:How very disappointing. Goes well with my theory that the way in which Hasbro is addressing this 3rd party stuff is by releasing the same characters at retail.
If that is the case, I still see it as 3rd Parties 1 Hasbro 0. My Hardhead actually is a head
master. I see what you are saying though but it will not discourage me away from the 3rd party market.
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195810)
Posted by City Commander on March 16th, 2011 @ 12:23pm CDT
Posted by City Commander on March 16th, 2011 @ 12:23pm CDT
A little random. I'm not sure if the Warpath mold will really look good as Hardhead. The chest cannon is just too unique...
I still need to sell my Hardhead I think.
I still need to sell my Hardhead I think.
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195812)
Posted by kirbenvost on March 16th, 2011 @ 12:30pm CDT
Posted by kirbenvost on March 16th, 2011 @ 12:30pm CDT
Hmm, I think it looks cool. I'm not sure if this makes me sad or relieved that I missed out on Universe Hardhead.
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195813)
Posted by SN95 Cobra R on March 16th, 2011 @ 12:38pm CDT
Posted by SN95 Cobra R on March 16th, 2011 @ 12:38pm CDT
Looks awful. Like a cyber-perm.
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195819)
Posted by Nekoman on March 16th, 2011 @ 12:44pm CDT
Posted by Nekoman on March 16th, 2011 @ 12:44pm CDT
IIRC, isn't Universe Hardhead more accurate to his IDW appearance? I don't read those comics to know, but I thought I remember reading that somewhere. This one's more G1 styled.
Anyways, this is pretty cool just for the fact that it's another Hardhead. Plus the new head looks pretty darn fine. I just wish that if they were redoing figures they'd give us a legit Ultra Magnus with his armor.
Anyways, this is pretty cool just for the fact that it's another Hardhead. Plus the new head looks pretty darn fine. I just wish that if they were redoing figures they'd give us a legit Ultra Magnus with his armor.
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195821)
Posted by It Is Him on March 16th, 2011 @ 12:53pm CDT
They also said at Toy Fair that the Deluxe Prime toys will displace Generations. So, come August, no more Generations. What will happen to Generations in Spring of next year is anyone's guess though.
Posted by It Is Him on March 16th, 2011 @ 12:53pm CDT
Down_Shift wrote:WolfDawg wrote:It's really hard for me to get excited about this. We've seen remolded heads for Scourge, Wreckgar, Lugnut, Thunderwing, Tomahawk, Terradive, and countless others. The only time I think these remolds have come to fruition is with WFC Cliffjumper and HFTD Axel. When are we going to see the rest of these supposed remolds?
Hasbro has said that they are going to continue Generations through out the movie line.
So probably in the summer.
They also said at Toy Fair that the Deluxe Prime toys will displace Generations. So, come August, no more Generations. What will happen to Generations in Spring of next year is anyone's guess though.
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195830)
Posted by Requiem Prime on March 16th, 2011 @ 1:16pm CDT
Posted by Requiem Prime on March 16th, 2011 @ 1:16pm CDT
But we already have a Hardhead done right. Hasbro only gets half credit but it's still something.
I always thought a good way for Hasbro to make peace with 3rd parties was to let them know what toys were coming down the pipe early. Then they could be working on upgrade kits and driving sales of a would be minor item to the moon and back at retail because nobody else would have it to sell second hand.
I always thought a good way for Hasbro to make peace with 3rd parties was to let them know what toys were coming down the pipe early. Then they could be working on upgrade kits and driving sales of a would be minor item to the moon and back at retail because nobody else would have it to sell second hand.
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195833)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on March 16th, 2011 @ 1:26pm CDT
One problem though: they're toys for kids. The increase in sales with your proposal is largely negligible because of it. Besides, those 3rd party items matching Hasbro's releases is pure coincidence at best, and they're created by hobbyists who don't have the money for a proper Transformer license.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on March 16th, 2011 @ 1:26pm CDT
Requiem Prime wrote:But we already have a Hardhead done right. Hasbro only gets half credit but it's still something.
I always thought a good way for Hasbro to make peace with 3rd parties was to let them know what toys were coming down the pipe early. Then they could be working on upgrade kits and driving sales of a would be minor item to the moon and back at retail because nobody else would have it to sell second hand.
One problem though: they're toys for kids. The increase in sales with your proposal is largely negligible because of it. Besides, those 3rd party items matching Hasbro's releases is pure coincidence at best, and they're created by hobbyists who don't have the money for a proper Transformer license.
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195837)
Posted by Rated X on March 16th, 2011 @ 1:31pm CDT
Posted by Rated X on March 16th, 2011 @ 1:31pm CDT
Although G1 Hardhead did transform into an "H" tank. He just wont be Hardhead with a tank gun sticking out of his chest. Plus, without a headmaster feature, its almost pointless to recreate him, Brainstorm, Highbrow, or Chromedome. Ill stick with my Green Onslaught and Headrobots.
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195856)
Posted by autbotfelks on March 16th, 2011 @ 2:21pm CDT
I have to agree with you they all ready did him, as(Hardhead Ultra Class 25th Anniversary Transformers Universe Classic Series) with the upgrade. and then they made another update of the head master.(looking more like him ,in the show )how many times are they going to do a update. So they are going to redo warpath as hardhead . hmmmm
I would like to see Roadbuster so I can add him to my classic Wreckers collection .
Posted by autbotfelks on March 16th, 2011 @ 2:21pm CDT
tigertracks 24 wrote:Kind of sucks. I mean we have a perfectly good hardhead, and headrobots has worked so hard to create something nice.
I have to agree with you they all ready did him, as(Hardhead Ultra Class 25th Anniversary Transformers Universe Classic Series) with the upgrade. and then they made another update of the head master.(looking more like him ,in the show )how many times are they going to do a update. So they are going to redo warpath as hardhead . hmmmm
I would like to see Roadbuster so I can add him to my classic Wreckers collection .
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195863)
Posted by Counterpunch on March 16th, 2011 @ 2:35pm CDT
Nooooot exactly.
Hasbro said to me that the Prime toys were moved from the Generations line to their own line. They didn't say anything to me about Generations ending and seemed excited about the discussion on what we thought the head reveals were.
Posted by Counterpunch on March 16th, 2011 @ 2:35pm CDT
It Is Him wrote:They also said at Toy Fair that the Deluxe Prime toys will displace Generations. So, come August, no more Generations. What will happen to Generations in Spring of next year is anyone's guess though.
Nooooot exactly.
Hasbro said to me that the Prime toys were moved from the Generations line to their own line. They didn't say anything to me about Generations ending and seemed excited about the discussion on what we thought the head reveals were.
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195864)
Posted by It Is Him on March 16th, 2011 @ 2:36pm CDT
Oh wow, that changes things a bit
Posted by It Is Him on March 16th, 2011 @ 2:36pm CDT
Counterpunch wrote:It Is Him wrote:They also said at Toy Fair that the Deluxe Prime toys will displace Generations. So, come August, no more Generations. What will happen to Generations in Spring of next year is anyone's guess though.
Nooooot exactly.
Hasbro said to me that the Prime toys were moved from the Generations line to their own line. They didn't say anything to me about Generations ending and seemed excited about the discussion on what we thought the head reveals were.
Oh wow, that changes things a bit
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195870)
Posted by warwik311 on March 16th, 2011 @ 2:40pm CDT
I like to think of my Universe Hardhead as my classics Bulkhead
Posted by warwik311 on March 16th, 2011 @ 2:40pm CDT
--B-- wrote:Hmmm,
I really like my Hardhead with head robots update as Hardhead, but I would still pick this up.
Any suggestions on who to repurpose it as?
Flak?
Tacker from Masterforce would work:
http://www.tfu.info/2004/Cybertron/Tacker/tacker.htm
I like to think of my Universe Hardhead as my classics Bulkhead
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195878)
Posted by waaaaghlord on March 16th, 2011 @ 2:53pm CDT
Posted by waaaaghlord on March 16th, 2011 @ 2:53pm CDT
No problem with 2 Hardheads. If I ever manage to track down the ultra it can go in with my larger scale Classics, the deluxe with the smaller scale guys. Bring it on. As for remoulds being slow to show up, don't worry folks. It's not like repaints always show up in the same line as the first release. At least the new heads are being designed ahead of time and 'kept for a rainy day' now.
Also, if they want to put out the Hardhead version again I'd happily take one in Quake colours.
Also, if they want to put out the Hardhead version again I'd happily take one in Quake colours.
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195885)
Posted by NTESHFT on March 16th, 2011 @ 3:10pm CDT
Posted by NTESHFT on March 16th, 2011 @ 3:10pm CDT
I, personally, would buy it if the Hothead would be compatible with it. I have it on my Onslaught, but would change it to the Generations Hardhead if possible....
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195910)
Posted by Mindmaster on March 16th, 2011 @ 4:11pm CDT
Posted by Mindmaster on March 16th, 2011 @ 4:11pm CDT
Thought it was a third party thing at first, then I read the whole thing, and was like "Oh, oops." This is pretty cool, and who knows; he might come with a Headmaster! 
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195924)
Posted by Stormrider on March 16th, 2011 @ 4:55pm CDT
The nerve of Hasbro to disrupt the 3rd party head makers.
Posted by Stormrider on March 16th, 2011 @ 4:55pm CDT
tigertracks 24 wrote:Kind of sucks. I mean we have a perfectly good hardhead, and headrobots has worked so hard to create something nice.
The nerve of Hasbro to disrupt the 3rd party head makers.
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195925)
Posted by Wheeljack35 on March 16th, 2011 @ 4:58pm CDT
Posted by Wheeljack35 on March 16th, 2011 @ 4:58pm CDT
It would be cool if his head transformed
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195932)
Posted by Sodan-1 on March 16th, 2011 @ 5:09pm CDT
Posted by Sodan-1 on March 16th, 2011 @ 5:09pm CDT
Hardhead has always been a favorite of mine so I'm very particular about his figures. A remold of Warpath just isn't right in my opinion. Greatly prefer Universe 2.0 Hardhead with HeadRobots' upgrade.
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195941)
Posted by Poyguimogul on March 16th, 2011 @ 5:25pm CDT
Posted by Poyguimogul on March 16th, 2011 @ 5:25pm CDT
if the colors don't bar him, It could easily stand in as classic e-hobby treads, since the universe hardhead, with add-on set murders this.
Still exciting.
Sparkcrusher was badass, that's fer dam sure!
Still exciting.
Sparkcrusher was badass, that's fer dam sure!
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195946)
Posted by Shokwayve on March 16th, 2011 @ 5:28pm CDT
Posted by Shokwayve on March 16th, 2011 @ 5:28pm CDT
I was actually hoping for a Quake figure coming from this mold. Need some more Decepticons in the ranks.
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195988)
Posted by Vicalliose on March 16th, 2011 @ 7:29pm CDT
Posted by Vicalliose on March 16th, 2011 @ 7:29pm CDT
Figures... 
Oh well, I'll just say he's the big guy's body swap.
Oh well, I'll just say he's the big guy's body swap.
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1195997)
Posted by Doctor McGrath on March 16th, 2011 @ 7:50pm CDT
I wouldn't get your hopes up. Fracas didn't transform.
Posted by Doctor McGrath on March 16th, 2011 @ 7:50pm CDT
Mindmaster wrote:Thought it was a third party thing at first, then I read the whole thing, and was like "Oh, oops." This is pretty cool, and who knows; he might come with a Headmaster!
I wouldn't get your hopes up. Fracas didn't transform.
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1196030)
Posted by OptiMagnus on March 16th, 2011 @ 9:27pm CDT
Posted by OptiMagnus on March 16th, 2011 @ 9:27pm CDT
WINNING!
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1196034)
Posted by Down_Shift on March 16th, 2011 @ 9:38pm CDT
Posted by Down_Shift on March 16th, 2011 @ 9:38pm CDT
So now that I've got the figure out and have played aroudn with it a bit I have no real gripes other then his head. It has a beak. When I think of Warpaths head, I think of the animation model or his Legends figure (which was also perfect). The head on that was SPOT ON, where this one looks like Beastwars Razorbeast.
Thrilled with the figure and I may be the odd man out, but I loves me an H-tank. Other then the head sculpt and some slightly below common articulation I give it an 8 out of 10. (you can tell they really tried to make a faithful head while being original so I gotta respect them for that)
Thrilled with the figure and I may be the odd man out, but I loves me an H-tank. Other then the head sculpt and some slightly below common articulation I give it an 8 out of 10. (you can tell they really tried to make a faithful head while being original so I gotta respect them for that)
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1196051)
Posted by Rated X on March 16th, 2011 @ 10:34pm CDT
That would mean Hasbro actually aknowledges they have competition. Maybe it's time collectors stop using the term "Third Party" and start referring to them as legitimate Transformer companies. Were giving Hasbro way too much credit. Henry Ford created the automobile, but we dont go referring to Chevy, Buick, and Dodge as "3rd party car companies" do we ??? Basically Hasbro needs to realize that just because they were the first, doesnt make them the best.
Posted by Rated X on March 16th, 2011 @ 10:34pm CDT
Counterpunch wrote:How very disappointing. Goes well with my theory that the way in which Hasbro is addressing this 3rd party stuff is by releasing the same characters at retail.
That would mean Hasbro actually aknowledges they have competition. Maybe it's time collectors stop using the term "Third Party" and start referring to them as legitimate Transformer companies. Were giving Hasbro way too much credit. Henry Ford created the automobile, but we dont go referring to Chevy, Buick, and Dodge as "3rd party car companies" do we ??? Basically Hasbro needs to realize that just because they were the first, doesnt make them the best.
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1196072)
Posted by Vicalliose on March 16th, 2011 @ 11:37pm CDT
*Ahem* You mean "changing robot companies". Anyway, you still can't precisely call them legit until they start making original characters, as apposed to homages. Hasbro acknowledges them, and they'll let the homages slide so long as they don't turn a large enough profit that they pose a threat, which is unlikely as they aim only at the collectors market.
Bah whatever, I'm to tired for this...
Posted by Vicalliose on March 16th, 2011 @ 11:37pm CDT
Rated X wrote:Counterpunch wrote:How very disappointing. Goes well with my theory that the way in which Hasbro is addressing this 3rd party stuff is by releasing the same characters at retail.
That would mean Hasbro actually aknowledges they have competition. Maybe it's time collectors stop using the term "Third Party" and start referring to them as legitimate Transformer companies. Were giving Hasbro way too much credit. Henry Ford created the automobile, but we dont go referring to Chevy, Buick, and Dodge as "3rd party car companies" do we ??? Basically Hasbro needs to realize that just because they were the first, doesnt make them the best.
*Ahem* You mean "changing robot companies". Anyway, you still can't precisely call them legit until they start making original characters, as apposed to homages. Hasbro acknowledges them, and they'll let the homages slide so long as they don't turn a large enough profit that they pose a threat, which is unlikely as they aim only at the collectors market.
Bah whatever, I'm to tired for this...
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1196075)
Posted by Diem on March 16th, 2011 @ 11:52pm CDT
Like the way Hasbro are releasing Hardhead to beat the third party add-on for...Hasbro's Hardhead? I agree with you in general but this is not the best example.
No. No they are not legitimate companies. They may be producing excellent figures and fufilling fan wants but nothing changes the fact that they are taking someone else's concept and making money from it.
And really if Hasbro are fighting the third partiers in this fashion I'm impressed. Rather than sending in the legal big guns or throwing a corporate tantrum they are apparently analysing what fans are demanding from the third partiers and producing their own general retail version of it.
I don't even know what you mean by this. Third party companies produce high quality, veeeeerry expensive figures targeted exclusively at collectors. Hasbro produce low cost figures that are designed to appeal to a worldwide polydemographic audience. It's a faulty comparison.
EDIT: For some reason this topic always makes my blood boil, so apologies if I'm a little more effusive than usual.
Posted by Diem on March 16th, 2011 @ 11:52pm CDT
Counterpunch wrote:How very disappointing. Goes well with my theory that the way in which Hasbro is addressing this 3rd party stuff is by releasing the same characters at retail.
Like the way Hasbro are releasing Hardhead to beat the third party add-on for...Hasbro's Hardhead? I agree with you in general but this is not the best example.
Rated X wrote:That would mean Hasbro actually aknowledges they have competition. Maybe it's time collectors stop using the term "Third Party" and start referring to them as legitimate Transformer companies. Were giving Hasbro way too much credit.
No. No they are not legitimate companies. They may be producing excellent figures and fufilling fan wants but nothing changes the fact that they are taking someone else's concept and making money from it.
And really if Hasbro are fighting the third partiers in this fashion I'm impressed. Rather than sending in the legal big guns or throwing a corporate tantrum they are apparently analysing what fans are demanding from the third partiers and producing their own general retail version of it.
Basically Hasbro needs to realize that just because they were the first, doesnt make them the best.
I don't even know what you mean by this. Third party companies produce high quality, veeeeerry expensive figures targeted exclusively at collectors. Hasbro produce low cost figures that are designed to appeal to a worldwide polydemographic audience. It's a faulty comparison.
EDIT: For some reason this topic always makes my blood boil, so apologies if I'm a little more effusive than usual.
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1196084)
Posted by Oilspill on March 17th, 2011 @ 1:37am CDT
Posted by Oilspill on March 17th, 2011 @ 1:37am CDT
Ahh.. shame it wasn't a different tankformer. Head sculpt looks promising though, but I was hoping the gun barrel could be removed and pegged on the back, opening up possibilities for Brawl, Guzzle, Quake, Bombshock etc etc
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1196111)
Posted by Windsweeper on March 17th, 2011 @ 7:10am CDT
Posted by Windsweeper on March 17th, 2011 @ 7:10am CDT
I am definitely getting this. I've wanted a deluxe Hardhead for a long time.
On the subject of third party companies, I wish someone would come up with a G1 style head for ROTF Nightbeat. Love Scout cars and the colour scheme is amazing. Shame about the head.
Will definitely pick up Hardhead and Warpath. So glad he hasn't gotten a faceplate.
On the subject of third party companies, I wish someone would come up with a G1 style head for ROTF Nightbeat. Love Scout cars and the colour scheme is amazing. Shame about the head.
Will definitely pick up Hardhead and Warpath. So glad he hasn't gotten a faceplate.
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1196115)
Posted by Counterpunch on March 17th, 2011 @ 7:21am CDT
Hence why I said, "goes well with" rather than "provides concrete proof".
Posted by Counterpunch on March 17th, 2011 @ 7:21am CDT
Diem wrote:Counterpunch wrote:How very disappointing. Goes well with my theory that the way in which Hasbro is addressing this 3rd party stuff is by releasing the same characters at retail.
Like the way Hasbro are releasing Hardhead to beat the third party add-on for...Hasbro's Hardhead? I agree with you in general but this is not the best example.
Hence why I said, "goes well with" rather than "provides concrete proof".
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1196172)
Posted by zodconvoy on March 17th, 2011 @ 9:59am CDT
Posted by zodconvoy on March 17th, 2011 @ 9:59am CDT
And here I was hoping for a deluxe class Tankor from Beast Machines. Oh well, I'll just have to make my own.
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1196176)
Posted by Amelie on March 17th, 2011 @ 10:02am CDT
No he didn't. And amusingly, in the case of Transformers, neither did Hasbro.
Hardhead is a great choice for a remold. Yes, its a pity he won't be a headmaster, but if I'm honest, I always found headmasters a slightly dodgy idea in the first place
Posted by Amelie on March 17th, 2011 @ 10:02am CDT
Rated X wrote:Henry Ford created the automobile
No he didn't. And amusingly, in the case of Transformers, neither did Hasbro.
Hardhead is a great choice for a remold. Yes, its a pity he won't be a headmaster, but if I'm honest, I always found headmasters a slightly dodgy idea in the first place
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1196252)
Posted by Stockade on March 17th, 2011 @ 1:33pm CDT
Posted by Stockade on March 17th, 2011 @ 1:33pm CDT
Nah! i would have to pass on this, the ultra class version of Hard Head with Head Robots upgrade is the best so far and also, when i look or think of Hard Head, i don't see him as a Deluxe, i seen him as a Ultra class figure or maybe a voyager if he is done right! If anything to re-mold Warpath, it should be down to 2 Transformers: Either Quake or Grandslam! I can see these 2 fitting the mold, but NOT Hard Head and NOT BRAWL!!!!!!!! no movie version of Brawl and no G1 version of him either.
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1196253)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on March 17th, 2011 @ 1:43pm CDT
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on March 17th, 2011 @ 1:43pm CDT
Hasbro, repaint him into G1 Gutcruncher and name him Sparkcrusher like you did with the Legend! Please? 
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1196274)
Posted by Bullycon on March 17th, 2011 @ 2:58pm CDT
Bingo. Has there been a true competitor to Transformers outside of GoBots?
If I'm supposed to think of these companies as true competitors to Hasbro, they are going to have to do a lot more than push out add-on sets to Hasbro toys and figures that are obvious representations of Hasbro characters.
Releasing a toy of Arcee or Springer isn't competition. It's profiting off the character of another company. If they want to compete, they should come up with their own stuff.
Posted by Bullycon on March 17th, 2011 @ 2:58pm CDT
Vicalliose wrote:Rated X wrote:That would mean Hasbro actually aknowledges they have competition. Maybe it's time collectors stop using the term "Third Party" and start referring to them as legitimate Transformer companies. Were giving Hasbro way too much credit. Henry Ford created the automobile, but we dont go referring to Chevy, Buick, and Dodge as "3rd party car companies" do we ??? Basically Hasbro needs to realize that just because they were the first, doesnt make them the best.
*Ahem* You mean "changing robot companies". Anyway, you still can't precisely call them legit until they start making original characters, as apposed to homages. Hasbro acknowledges them, and they'll let the homages slide so long as they don't turn a large enough profit that they pose a threat, which is unlikely as they aim only at the collectors market.
Bingo. Has there been a true competitor to Transformers outside of GoBots?
If I'm supposed to think of these companies as true competitors to Hasbro, they are going to have to do a lot more than push out add-on sets to Hasbro toys and figures that are obvious representations of Hasbro characters.
Releasing a toy of Arcee or Springer isn't competition. It's profiting off the character of another company. If they want to compete, they should come up with their own stuff.
Re: Possible Hardhead Remold for Generations Warpath (1196467)
Posted by Rated X on March 17th, 2011 @ 11:55pm CDT
Posted by Rated X on March 17th, 2011 @ 11:55pm CDT
Wow, I had no idea people would be so sensitive about Hasbro and their "rights". Some may see them as gods or see "Mr. Hasbro" as Vector Sigma himself, but I just see them as a corparate giant who capitalized on a million dollar franchise 26 years ago. Yeah I said it. They are not the creators of the G1 characters that made this universe we all love. They are just a toy company. I credit the original artists and animators, both Japanese and American with being the creators of our obsession. Some are dead. Some are really old. Some sold their copyrights for money when the G1 toyline lost popularity after 1988. Copyrights are like stocks and bonds. They get bought and sold every day. Often by people who dont know or have anything to do with the creators. Michael Jackson owns the copyrights to all the Beatles songs. (and he's dead) Who cares who ends up with a stupid piece of paper that says "you officially own the rights to a name of something 26 years old". They can take that piece of paper, shine it up real good, turn it sideways, and stick it straight up their candy a** !!! If you choose to follow the chain of owners to the G1 franchise, it's characters names, images, etc, then more power to you. If you choose to look at a bunch of people in suits and ties with papers as supreme beings, suit yourself. My respect goes out to the original G1 production team who created the characters we love from 1984-1988. and if some of those people sold their rights or passed away, then I say the use of their creations is up for grabs. If Hasbro doesnt use it fine. But somebody else will. Thats what im saying. And those sombody elses shouldnt be referred to as "third parties". They should be refferred to by their names, because they are more dedicated to the Transformers universe than any corparate entity will ever be.
P.S. After a little research I found out it wasnt Henry Ford who created the automobile. But Henry Ford is credited with being the first person to create a company to market the automobile in mass quanity and make it affordable for the middle class. So he is very similar to Mr. Hasbro in a way. But along came Chevy, Buick, and Crysler, to offer him some good ol American compitition by giving consumers things he wasnt giving them. These companies were not called third party car companies. They were the real deal. And just like them, Fansproject, I-Gear, Impossible Toys, Headrobots, and Perfect Effect are the real deal. Pay homage to the people who respect us...the collectors.
P.S. After a little research I found out it wasnt Henry Ford who created the automobile. But Henry Ford is credited with being the first person to create a company to market the automobile in mass quanity and make it affordable for the middle class. So he is very similar to Mr. Hasbro in a way. But along came Chevy, Buick, and Crysler, to offer him some good ol American compitition by giving consumers things he wasnt giving them. These companies were not called third party car companies. They were the real deal. And just like them, Fansproject, I-Gear, Impossible Toys, Headrobots, and Perfect Effect are the real deal. Pay homage to the people who respect us...the collectors.
