New Video Reviews Of Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Wave 1 Voyagers

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

ScottyP wrote:Has anyone bought both and taken pics? Honest question. I never trust a repack to be only a repack until it's proven to be.

I don't have both, only the Siege version, but comparing that to the photo Will posted, they look to be completely identical, down to the plastic tie going through both of his fist holes.

william-james88 wrote:I saw that written on the boards where this latest picture comes from and I also saw in the image that his legs still have all that gunk. That was good enough for me.

So the answer is "no" then, got it. I mean, yes a straight repack appears to be the intention and 99% likely to actually be the case, but hearing assumptions like that thrown around as fact for years on some Superlink and Galaxy Force items that were merely very similar but not identical after all scarred me.

ScottyP wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

ScottyP wrote:Has anyone bought both and taken pics? Honest question. I never trust a repack to be only a repack until it's proven to be.

I don't have both, only the Siege version, but comparing that to the photo Will posted, they look to be completely identical, down to the plastic tie going through both of his fist holes.

william-james88 wrote:I saw that written on the boards where this latest picture comes from and I also saw in the image that his legs still have all that gunk. That was good enough for me.

So the answer is "no" then, got it. I mean, yes a straight repack appears to be the intention and 99% likely to actually be the case, but hearing assumptions like that thrown around as fact for years on some Superlink and Galaxy Force items that were merely very similar but not identical after all scarred me.

It's ok Scotty 2 Hotty, we're here for you.

once upon a time, long long ago. so long in fact that the evidence may be gone from the big server wipe from back in the day, but I was the first person to drop a review on the original Classics starscream. Pictorial review, but first regardless. One of the pics I took was of the classics Screamer blasting, then standing on the corpse of the robot masters screamer, with a caption of something like, "you're no longer needed" or good enough or something like that. I'm Picturing this screamer doing the same thing to the classics screamer.

Well, Classics Starscream can at least furnish Earthrise Screamer with working launchers.

If we get coneheads in Earthrise I guess their added pointy heads would make the slight difference in height between them and the Siege seekers mold so minimal as to almost be non existence. Really hoping we get those (or some other Seeker we haven't gotten, like Sunstorm or Slipstream) rather than Thundercracker and Skywarp. I'm aware this statement could piss some people but it would make sense Starscream is the only seeker in this trilogy to be done twice purely because of how big a seller he is and how he's one of the 'household' names in the series.

Skritz wrote:If we get coneheads in Earthrise I guess their added pointy heads would make the slight difference in height between them and the Siege seekers mold so minimal as to almost be non existence. Really hoping we get those (or some other Seeker we haven't gotten, like Sunstorm or Slipstream) rather than Thundercracker and Skywarp. I'm aware this statement could piss some people but it would make sense Starscream is the only seeker in this trilogy to be done twice purely because of how big a seller he is and how he's one of the 'household' names in the series.

I agree, we have gotten the main 3 seekers in 4 size classes over the past 6-7 years, let us have coneheads again finally. I still need all of them

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

ScottyP wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

ScottyP wrote:Has anyone bought both and taken pics? Honest question. I never trust a repack to be only a repack until it's proven to be.

I don't have both, only the Siege version, but comparing that to the photo Will posted, they look to be completely identical, down to the plastic tie going through both of his fist holes.

william-james88 wrote:I saw that written on the boards where this latest picture comes from and I also saw in the image that his legs still have all that gunk. That was good enough for me.

So the answer is "no" then, got it. I mean, yes a straight repack appears to be the intention and 99% likely to actually be the case, but hearing assumptions like that thrown around as fact for years on some Superlink and Galaxy Force items that were merely very similar but not identical after all scarred me.

It's ok Scotty 2 Hotty, we're here for you.

Y'all ain't here until you produce Astrotrain comparison pics

... dang it I'm gonna end up buying the one up the road for science aren't I?

Me, I would like to have Skywarp and Thundercracker from this mold as well as the coneheads. I don't think the CW Leader seekers should count against them getting toys from _this_ mold because that mold was a wrong try.
With regards to this mold... Frankly, I think they should have lead with Skywarp or one of the Coneheads rather than Starscream because of SIEGE Starscream lingering.

I don't want a Sunstorm redeco. Sunstorm should be a redeco of the SIEGE mold, IMO. Now, I wouldn't say no to a Slipstream redeco

ScottyP wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

ScottyP wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

ScottyP wrote:Has anyone bought both and taken pics? Honest question. I never trust a repack to be only a repack until it's proven to be.

I don't have both, only the Siege version, but comparing that to the photo Will posted, they look to be completely identical, down to the plastic tie going through both of his fist holes.

william-james88 wrote:I saw that written on the boards where this latest picture comes from and I also saw in the image that his legs still have all that gunk. That was good enough for me.

So the answer is "no" then, got it. I mean, yes a straight repack appears to be the intention and 99% likely to actually be the case, but hearing assumptions like that thrown around as fact for years on some Superlink and Galaxy Force items that were merely very similar but not identical after all scarred me.

It's ok Scotty 2 Hotty, we're here for you.

Y'all ain't here until you produce Astrotrain comparison pics

... dang it I'm gonna end up buying the one up the road for science aren't I?

Well, I can't help. I haven't even seen SIEGE Astrotrain on shelves, let alone Earthrise grumble grumble

I don’t mean to come out of left field on this one- but am I the only one thinking Jazz as really gotten a raw deal? I would’ve for sure thought he was going to be in Earthrise wave 1.

Seems like a pretty prominent character from G1 who hasn’t gotten any run over the last few series- no?

cackman17 wrote:I don’t mean to come out of left field on this one- but am I the only one thinking Jazz as really gotten a raw deal? I would’ve for sure thought he was going to be in Earthrise wave 1.

Seems like a pretty prominent character from G1 who hasn’t gotten any run over the last few series- no?

He was in Power of the Primes two lines ago, and you can't really improve upon the perfection that was Reveal the Shield Jazz.

Sabrblade wrote:

cackman17 wrote:I don’t mean to come out of left field on this one- but am I the only one thinking Jazz as really gotten a raw deal? I would’ve for sure thought he was going to be in Earthrise wave 1.

Seems like a pretty prominent character from G1 who hasn’t gotten any run over the last few series- no?

He was in Power of the Primes two lines ago, and you can't really improve upon the perfection that was Reveal the Shield Jazz.

Well, you could give him properly 5mm-compatible hands (his seem to be a bit off), but yeah. He could stand a reissue though, it's been a while.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

cackman17 wrote:I don’t mean to come out of left field on this one- but am I the only one thinking Jazz as really gotten a raw deal? I would’ve for sure thought he was going to be in Earthrise wave 1.

Seems like a pretty prominent character from G1 who hasn’t gotten any run over the last few series- no?

He was in Power of the Primes two lines ago, and you can't really improve upon the perfection that was Reveal the Shield Jazz.

Well, you could give him properly 5mm-compatible hands (his seem to be a bit off), but yeah. He could stand a reissue though, it's been a while.

Coming from someone who owns both PotP Jazz and Selects Ricochet, that mold is a better foot than a bot.

I would be absolutely shocked if we don't see all six of the G1 seekers in the new mold. The coneheads are going to happen, we don't need to bargain away TC and SW in some kind of hypothetical Sophie's choice. Maybe some will be retailer exclusives or Generations Selects, but they're going to happen.

I don't know, I find PotP Jazz to be a decent figure on his own. Not amazing, but decent and enjoyable. But the Jazz we're really singing the praises of is the RTS Jazz mold.



RTS version



United version.

Good looking, wonderful articulation and proportions..

I think the only improvement that could be made to the RTS figure is if there were some way for the chest to securely lock into place in robot mode.

Seems to me like if they could give Siege Starscream a waist swivel, and Jetfire a waist swivel, ER Starscream should have a waist swivel.

I mean they overcame the cockpit paradox they’ve mastered waist swivel technology for Primus’s sake there’s no excuses.

Stargrave wrote:Seems to me like if they could give Siege Starscream a waist swivel, and Jetfire a waist swivel, ER Starscream should have a waist swivel.

I mean they overcame the cockpit paradox they’ve mastered waist swivel technology for Primus’s sake there’s no excuses.

*takes a close look, then watches a video of the transformation*

Ahhhh, that's what they meant with eliminating it for the sake of transformation! For some reason, the cockpit piece has an extension in the back. The slot it leaves behind is for the hinge of the nosecone when it's lowered in robot mode position (unlike the Classics mold, it's attached to the cockpit, not the head, so it sits lower), that extension then ends up sliding into the waist area, effectively blocking it (even more with the skirt in front and the flap in the back).

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Stargrave wrote:Seems to me like if they could give Siege Starscream a waist swivel, and Jetfire a waist swivel, ER Starscream should have a waist swivel.

I mean they overcame the cockpit paradox they’ve mastered waist swivel technology for Primus’s sake there’s no excuses.

*takes a close look, then watches a video of the transformation*

Ahhhh, that's what they meant with eliminating it for the sake of transformation! For some reason, the cockpit piece has an extension in the back. The slot it leaves behind is for the hinge of the nosecone when it's lowered in robot mode position (unlike the Classics mold, it's attached to the cockpit, not the head, so it sits lower), that extension then ends up sliding into the waist area, effectively blocking it (even more with the skirt in front and the flap in the back).

Well, there's more to it than that. There's also the fact that the chest needs to be able to open up for the arms to tuck into the torso. Between accommodating that joint, and accommodating the cockpit, there's just no room for a waist swivel.

Stargrave, Skyfire A. is a Commander-class toy and thus has room for more complex engineering than a Voyager-class toy and B. uses the entirety of the chest to form the front of the jet mode (whereas the G1 Seeker design uses only the cockpit), so he doesn't have leftover sections of chest that need to open up for the arms to tuck in.
SIEGE Starscream is able to work in the waist swivel because of faux-parts and not having to care about altmode integration

I bought ER Astrotrain this morning but had to go to work right after. We'll see in about 8 hours if he's destined for the return desk.

I was able to pick up ER Hoist at a Target this morning. I was alittle hesitate whether or not i would but after seeing him in person, “he was calling my name”. Definitely glad I did, he is really neat. Kind fo cool with the i package decoder coming up “Junkion” in his package. I like the throw back to how the G1 toys where with the red decoder strip to read the strengths etc. on the back.

Haven’t spotted Astrotrain nor Grapple. That is one I am definitely wanting to see in person.

SGM

How much taller is this Voyager Starscream compared with the Classics deluxe one?

TulioDude wrote:How much taller is this Voyager Starscream compared with the Classics deluxe one?

Wish I could help here, ER Voyagers are the only thing that I haven't found thanks to those Siege Megatron + Thundercracker revision cases no one needed or wanted.

Same boat here, cant help with that. Same issues in stores here in Virginia.

SGM

I couldn't figure out how to embed a tweet but apparently Smashdown gets a slight repaint in the Earthrise release, white instead of silver.

ScottyP wrote:

TulioDude wrote:How much taller is this Voyager Starscream compared with the Classics deluxe one?

Wish I could help here, ER Voyagers are the only thing that I haven't found thanks to those Siege Megatron + Thundercracker revision cases no one needed or wanted.

He's ever so slightly smaller than Siege Starscream, if that helps. My best estimate is that the Classics one comes to about the Earthrise's chest.

TulioDude wrote:How much taller is this Voyager Starscream compared with the Classics deluxe one?

Not my picture, but I found this:



EDIT: And because I never miss an opportunity to praise RTS Jazz, I couldn't agree more with the previous posters. He is an amazing figure.

I saw that too. Huge improvement. The Classics Seekers stand no taller than the original G1 toys, it's one of the things that put me off getting them all.

Just to put in my own two cents on RtS Jazz:

1. The Takara Tomy "United" release is the superior version

2. It is a gorgeous toy, almost "Masterpiece" worthy

3. It's a pain in the butt to get the window speakers tucked away just right in alt mode.

4. The toy is just too big now for modern collections, unfortunately.

Wolfman Jake wrote:4. The toy is just too big now for modern collections, unfortunately.

Just say Jazz inherited the Matrix (or got jazzed up after getting his own personal Matrix).

So, you know what I want? A 3P kit for Cluffjumper to make him into an El Camino type car/truck. Extra points for a working tailgate. I'll call him El Cliffmino. It could totally work. Please 3P make it happen.

Priceless! Love it.

Went to Target tonight for Valentine's day (yeah, we are that type of couple ) and amazingly, there was no Earthrise. They still had Siege wave 1 in every. class.

Still have the wave 1 battlemasters, wave 2 micromasters, wave 1 deluxes, wave 1 voyager, and wave 1 leaders. I was amazed.

Guess I don't need to worry about finding these new guys soon thanks to that

Ok. That's awesome! Well my wife pick up Studio series Shockwave for me, she said that was my Valentine's day gift!

Wolfman Jake wrote:3. It's a pain in the butt to get the window speakers tucked away just right in alt mode.

I don't know about that, you just need to line the grooves up with the tabs on his windows.

Wolfman Jake wrote:4. The toy is just too big now for modern collections, unfortunately.

[/quote][/quote]That, I have to disagree with you on entirely.

I think he's still quite viable. He does end up as a tall boy, but not horrifically so.

Considering the Hasbro version is $40 on ebay and the Takara is easily $80 or more, I'm gonna hold out hope for an Earthrise Jazz, or even whatever the next line is. Jazz is just too much of a G1 classic to not be in this trilogy.

That was my point. He is a staple. Need him in this phase. Plus the siege line has done such a great job with the G1 vehicle alt modes and scale.

PotP Jazz isn't up to the standards of WfC, but he's about the right size and has decent modes. I'm not saying he's great, but he seems right at home beside Sideswipe. I'm much more interested in the other '84/'85 characters we haven't seen since T30 than the second Jazz in two or three years.

Hmmmm. Good point- which 84/85 characters are you thinking of?

Deluxe cars are simple. '84 we just need Trailbreaker and Sunstreaker. The first is practically guaranteed as a retool of Hoist, and Sunstreaker is also probable, possibly as a Wheeljack retool. '85 is Inferno from Grapple, Tracks, and Skids. Skids is the only one that probably needs a brand new mold.

Other than that, though, we're due for some minibots. The last Brawn and Windcharger are fine, and the recent '85 bots are perfect, but we need proper versions of Huffer and Warpath. My secondhand T30 Gears has some faded paint, so I wouldn't mind him getting an update. I'm treating Earthrise Bumblebee as a certainty.

Once all of that is settled, then I'll be happy for a new Jazz.

Big list.

I think Hasbro missed the boat on the mini bots. They were key G1 characters - could’ve gone with a mini bot series instead of the micro masters and been in good shape. Cliffjumper reboot in Earthrise is a tad too big. Nostalgia alone would’ve carried the mini bot reboot to a mid price point (above $9.99 micromaster) and I know I would’ve paid $14.99ish for siege mini bots.

Aronjlove, that's what reissues are for. Although he'd probably have to lose the speakers.

AcademyofDrX wrote:PotP Jazz isn't up to the standards of WfC, but he's about the right size and has decent modes. I'm not saying he's great, but he seems right at home beside Sideswipe. I'm much more interested in the other '84/'85 characters we haven't seen since T30 than the second Jazz in two or three years.

Well, as I've said (a couple times now, I think) we're definitely getting Sunstreaker thanks to the Wheeljack mold (They have very similar transformations, and the way Earthrise Wheeljack's lower legs are done... Well, have a look below).

I realize that we technically had Sunny semi-recently in Combiner Wars, but that one's a Breakdown mold in a Sunstreaker suit.

As for the others not adequately covered by SIEGE or Prime Wars...
* The Coneheads seem likely, given the design of the the ER Seeker mold.
* Inferno and Trailbreaker are gimmes.

That leaves Skids, Blaster, Cosmos (well, I suppose the T30 version got reissued in PotP), Huffer, Gears, Warpath, Tracks, Whirl, Roadbuster, the Omnibots, and the Deluxe Insecticons to be determined.

cackman17 wrote:Big list.

I think Hasbro missed the boat on the mini bots. They were key G1 characters - could’ve gone with a mini bot series instead of the micro masters and been in good shape. Cliffjumper reboot in Earthrise is a tad too big. Nostalgia alone would’ve carried the mini bot reboot to a mid price point (above $9.99 micromaster) and I know I would’ve paid $14.99ish for siege mini bots.

News flash buddy: Several of the Minibots were covered by Prime Wars already.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:So, you know what I want? A 3P kit for Cluffjumper to make him into an El Camino type car/truck. Extra points for a working tailgate. I'll call him El Cliffmino. It could totally work. Please 3P make it happen.

El Cliffmino.jpg

Ok that's brilliant.

The mini bots in prime wars and titans return were weak. Off scale and clunky. The siege micromasters today are 100% the same scale/version of the mini bots 35 years ago. That’s all I’m saying- it would be cool to see that run again. Maybe “slightly” bigger than the micro masters- barley. It would be cool. But that’s just my take. Not right, not wrong- just my vision.

cackman17 wrote:The mini bots in prime wars and titans return were weak. Off scale and clunky. The siege micromasters today are 100% the same scale/version of the mini bots 35 years ago. That’s all I’m saying- it would be cool to see that run again. Maybe “slightly” bigger than the micro masters- barley. It would be cool. But that’s just my take. Not right, not wrong- just my vision.

Dude that’d be hella rad.

Long shot, but I'm kind of hoping that if we do get a Sunstreaker, it comes with an optional Hunter O'Nion Titanmaster. It's not G1, so I doubt that we'd see that, but I still wish that we had gotten that in Titans Return

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I don't want a Sunstorm redeco. Sunstorm should be a redeco of the SIEGE mold, IMO.

And stick them in a 2-pack to save me the trouble of placing two orders.

Emerje

cackman17 wrote:The mini bots in prime wars and titans return were weak. Off scale and clunky. The siege micromasters today are 100% the same scale/version of the mini bots 35 years ago. That’s all I’m saying- it would be cool to see that run again. Maybe “slightly” bigger than the micro masters- barley. It would be cool. But that’s just my take. Not right, not wrong- just my vision.

1. Prime Wars is the trilogy that contains Combiner Wars, Titans Return, and Power of the Primes, so saying "Prime Wars and Titans Return" is redundant and ignorant.
2. So, you're saying that they're "off scale" because they were made bigger than the original Minibot toys to be IN scale with the similarly bigger-than-the-G1-toy versions of the rest of the cast? I don't think you know what scale means.
Or "Clunky" for that matter, because they have decent articulation for their small size. I know, I own some of them.

Better versions of the Mini Bots that are roughly the same size? We had that in the earlier years of CHUG the original Legends scale before they "grew up". They ended up doing a pretty big chunk of the characters in that run.



Reaction was kinda mixed. They were nice figures, but they didn't feel quite right with the rest of CHUG. The rebranded Legends scale during the Prime Wars Trilogy felt much more like part of the same line and scaled better with the rest of the figures.

Cliffjumper does make one thing possible and that's six-bot Combiners like Monstructor/Dinoking since it doesn't seem like we'll ever be getting those Dinobot and Terrorcon retools. A smaller bot with extra accessories could make it possible to bulk up the combined form with the extra parts needed to hold the whole thing together along with weapons, head, fists, and feet. It wont happen, but it's nice to know they've left a possibility open by redefining what it means to be a Deluxe.

Emerje

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

cackman17 wrote:The mini bots in prime wars and titans return were weak. Off scale and clunky. The siege micromasters today are 100% the same scale/version of the mini bots 35 years ago. That’s all I’m saying- it would be cool to see that run again. Maybe “slightly” bigger than the micro masters- barley. It would be cool. But that’s just my take. Not right, not wrong- just my vision.

1. Prime Wars is the trilogy that contains Combiner Wars, Titans Return, and Power of the Primes, so saying "Prime Wars and Titans Return" is redundant and ignorant.
2. So, you're saying that they're "off scale" because they were made bigger than the original Minibot toys to be IN scale with the similarly bigger-than-the-G1-toy versions of the rest of the cast? I don't think you know what scale means.
Or "Clunky" for that matter, because they have decent articulation for their small size. I know, I own some of them.

Redundant, maybe, but ignorant? No, that’s not necessary.

Also they’re extremely clunky. I don’t think you know what clunky means.

Can confirm what everyone already "knew", the Astrotrain releases are the same. Not even a G1 vs Movie style symbol difference! At least I got the Caminus map piece out of it?