New Stock Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Throne of the Primes

william-james88 wrote:This is an excellent release, and if Hasbro is reading this, you did great here, thanks!

I'll let you go back and read my comments if you wish, in summation, yes the P/CP toy is great, just change the packaging/advertisements to WFC "Siege Preview", and it's all good.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Patrickab7 wrote:Saw POTP Wreck-Gar listed on the Walgreens website...any sightings in the States yet? Thanks!

Not yet. He first showed up on their website last week. If he follows how the clones and Brainstorm went, then he should start showing up out west first in about another week. Then start showing up further and further east from there.

Thanks. The WG website points to stores having some in stock but I haven't seen any personally yet. I did score the Cloudraker/Wingspan two-pack a few days ago so hopefully Wreck-Gar won't be far behind.

Patrickab7 wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Patrickab7 wrote:Saw POTP Wreck-Gar listed on the Walgreens website...any sightings in the States yet? Thanks!

Not yet. He first showed up on their website last week. If he follows how the clones and Brainstorm went, then he should start showing up out west first in about another week. Then start showing up further and further east from there.

Thanks. The WG website points to stores having some in stock but I haven't seen any personally yet. I did score the Cloudraker/Wingspan two-pack a few days ago so hopefully Wreck-Gar won't be far behind.

The same thing happened with the Clone 2-pack last year though. WG inventory system is not very accurate. All the stores in my area say they have 2-5 *in stock* but none of them actually have it.

I cant remember what the time frame was between the in stock confirmation, and them actually showing up in stores, but hopefully it's not too long. The Clones first showed up in stores in early November, but I'm guessing Wreck-Gar *should* start showing up in the next couple weeks, hopefully

Patrickab7 wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Patrickab7 wrote:Saw POTP Wreck-Gar listed on the Walgreens website...any sightings in the States yet? Thanks!

Not yet. He first showed up on their website last week. If he follows how the clones and Brainstorm went, then he should start showing up out west first in about another week. Then start showing up further and further east from there.

Thanks. The WG website points to stores having some in stock but I haven't seen any personally yet. I did score the Cloudraker/Wingspan two-pack a few days ago so hopefully Wreck-Gar won't be far behind.

Ignore their inventory system, it just means the store near you has some deluxe class TFs, 100% guaranteed not to be the one you are looking for.

And o.supreme, C/CP cant be seige preview, he looks nothing like the style and sculpting that line is all about. Lets just be happy its coming out, there is really no issue here.

o.supreme wrote:

william-james88 wrote:This is an excellent release, and if Hasbro is reading this, you did great here, thanks!

I'll let you go back and read my comments if you wish, in summation, yes the P/CP toy is great, just change the packaging/advertisements to WFC "Siege Preview", and it's all good.

I have to agree. I think they wanted to keep the trilogy guys ib the same price bracket, but I feel like if you are gonna have 3 in a trilogy and an Oddball, Nemesis Prime woulda made more sense to be the PotPrimes representative. He does the wholevolution gimmick and everything. But whatever, I dont care how the figures come as long as we keep getting them.

ok, so TAV Override doesn't exactly match up as well as I'd hoped for with Inferno, but he'll still be my choice of Legends for that eventual combiner (the one pictured isn't permanent). Besides, having wreck-gar's orange as a leg is going to make him way more off-putting, so color coordinating pretty much went out the door on this guy a long time ago.

o.supreme wrote:

william-james88 wrote:This is an excellent release, and if Hasbro is reading this, you did great here, thanks!

I'll let you go back and read my comments if you wish, in summation, yes the P/CP toy is great, just change the packaging/advertisements to WFC "Siege Preview", and it's all good.

How exactly would that be a better fit for Punch/Counterpunch, though? Siege is a line about Cybertronian alt modes, stressing increased greebling detailing in sculpt, war-worn paint apps, improved articulation, and a decided LACK of "gimmicks." Punch/Counterpunch has a very earth-based alt mode, doesn't have an emphasis on techno detailing, no "battle damage" deco, and definitely has a gimmick in the form of having two different robot modes in addition to an alt mode.

Wolfman Jake wrote:How exactly would that be a better fit for Punch/Counterpunch, though? Siege is a line about Cybertronian alt modes, stressing increased greebling detailing in sculpt, war-worn paint apps, improved articulation, and a decided LACK of "gimmicks." Punch/Counterpunch has a very earth-based alt mode, doesn't have an emphasis on techno detailing, no "battle damage" deco, and definitely has a gimmick in the form of having two different robot modes in addition to an alt mode.

I think the whole "Cybertronian Mode" thing for Siege is highly debatable. I know this is what is marketing it as, but again, anyone with eyes can see several of those figure have decidedly earth-based modes. Again, all I'm saying is it was poor marketing on Hasbro's part. If you don't want to call P/CP a Siege Preview, then call him a throwback to T30, or better yet, don't label him at all, simply just call him a "Generations Exclusive". The point is, Hasbro made a concerted effort to offer a "trilogy" of figures celebrating the Prime Wars Trilogy, all offered by Amazon, all one month apart (July, August September...), all with a Prime Master and similar packaging. It's just on the 3rd one, they provided a great figure, that had nothing to do with the line that it was supposed to represent. Hasbro could have made P/CP the figure for CW or TR it would have been the same faux pas.

What about battletrap? He's decidedly nothing like the others. Also for all we know maybe all the deluxes originally werent all going to be combiner limbs. There was going to be non-combining figures sprinkled in, with punch being one of them. Then the cut happened. The liberty was scaled back, waves were reshuffled so now they were all limbs, but out of the other designs, they choose punch to be released too as an exclusive, figuring fans would want him more.

Look at it this way. Power of the Primes took HEAVILY from the gimmicks of the previous two lines. They went back to the Combiner Wars system for Deluxe and Voyager class figures. They slightly tweaked the Titans Return system of Titan Masters, turning them into "Prime Sparks" to power up weapons and armor instead of heads to complete Deluxe, Voyager, and Leader figures. About the only thing new was the "Evolution" idea for Leader figures in PotP. So, it doesn't really have a very solid identity of its own.

Now consider the trio of Prime Wars exclusives. Blast Off is a combiner, so that represents Combiner Wars perfectly. Repugnus is now a "Headmaster," so that represents Titans Return perfectly. So, what to do for a "definitive" Power of the Primes Deluxe figure? We already have a combiner limb, so what makes another combiner a PotP representative more than another CW representative? You could put Nemesis Prime in that place instead, but then you don't have a trio of Deluxe figures at a fixed price point whose special edition boxes can be combined to form a larger mural.

At least we can say that Punch/Counterpunch comes with a Prime Master figure, so that is something that definitely links him to Power of the Primes, as well as the two other figures in the exclusive set, as they also come with special edition Prime Masters.

o.supreme wrote:ok, so TAV Override doesn't exactly match up as well as I'd hoped for with Inferno, but he'll still be my choice of Legends for that eventual combiner (the one pictured isn't permanent). Besides, having wreck-gar's orange as a leg is going to make him way more off-putting, so color coordinating pretty much went out the door on this guy a long time ago.

That looks super good !

Wolfman Jake wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

william-james88 wrote:This is an excellent release, and if Hasbro is reading this, you did great here, thanks!

I'll let you go back and read my comments if you wish, in summation, yes the P/CP toy is great, just change the packaging/advertisements to WFC "Siege Preview", and it's all good.

How exactly would that be a better fit for Punch/Counterpunch, though? Siege is a line about Cybertronian alt modes, stressing increased greebling detailing in sculpt, war-worn paint apps, improved articulation, and a decided LACK of "gimmicks." Punch/Counterpunch has a very earth-based alt mode, doesn't have an emphasis on techno detailing, no "battle damage" deco, and definitely has a gimmick in the form of having two different robot modes in addition to an alt mode.

You missed a distinction though, Seige is avoiding LINE WIDE Gimmicks. And even thats arguable considering the Weaponizers and all of the Micromasters combining into guns. (or car porn, in the case of one...) C/CP is no different a gimmick inclusion as Armoring up Ultra Magnus is.

You are right, in that Punch is more of an earthen mode than a Cybertronian, but not moreso than Seige Prime is.

Crossing off gimmicks still doesn't mean he fits in with the siege figures, he doesn't match the aesthetic at all.

Real question, if I make a top 5 POTP toys list, should I include these exclusives or not? Along with these 3 prime wars ones, there would be Nemesis Prime and Wreck Gar. So, regardless if these are worthy of a top 5 or not, should they be even considered or not?

In all honesty, I would just because I'm pedantic and they carry the power of the primes label somewhere. I would be interested to see what would rank no1 on such a list though

william-james88 wrote:Real question, if I make a top 5 POTP toys list, should I include these exclusives or not? Along with these 3 prime wars ones, there would be Nemesis Prime and Wreck Gar. So, regardless if these are worthy of a top 5 or not, should they be even considered or not?

I look at it this way. Hasbro is making the toys and owns the intellectual property over the toys, toy line and marketing. If they call them part of PotP, then that means they are part of PotP, regardless of anyone's personal feelings or preferences.

They put together a set of exclusives that are being released under the PotP umbrella, even if one is meant to represent CW, and another is meant to represent TR. They are all a part of PotP according to Hasbro.

They get to call the shots, and we get to vote with our wallets (and complain on forums like these when they don't meet our expectations).

Sorry, that was just a long-winded yes for your question Will.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Real question, if I make a top 5 POTP toys list, should I include these exclusives or not? Along with these 3 prime wars ones, there would be Nemesis Prime and Wreck Gar. So, regardless if these are worthy of a top 5 or not, should they be even considered or not?

I look at it this way. Hasbro is making the toys and owns the intellectual property over the toys, toy line and marketing. If they call them part of PotP, then that means they are part of PotP, regardless of anyone's personal feelings or preferences.

They put together a set of exclusives that are being released under the PotP umbrella, even if one is meant to represent CW, and another is meant to represent TR. They are all a part of PotP according to Hasbro.

They get to call the shots, and we get to vote with our wallets (and complain on forums like these when they don't meet our expectations).

Sorry, that was just a long-winded yes for your question Will.

Or, in other words, "authorial intent."

Will, I would definitely count anything branded with "Power of the Primes" in your list. Also, I will be interested to see what you come up with for your top 5.

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:ok, so TAV Override doesn't exactly match up as well as I'd hoped for with Inferno, but he'll still be my choice of Legends for that eventual combiner (the one pictured isn't permanent). Besides, having wreck-gar's orange as a leg is going to make him way more off-putting, so color coordinating pretty much went out the door on this guy a long time ago.

That looks super good !

Thanks, it's my first pic from my personal collection IIRC

william-james88 wrote:Real question, if I make a top 5 POTP toys list, should I include these exclusives or not? Along with these 3 prime wars ones, there would be Nemesis Prime and Wreck Gar. So, regardless if these are worthy of a top 5 or not, should they be even considered or not?

I just looked at Repugnus packaging, which doesn't make things any better. It Advertises "Prime Wars", the entire Trilogy, showcases Titans Return (part 2 of the Trilogy), and PotP on the Side (part 3 of the Trilogy), so what is it? Who Knows? Does it Matter? Who cares right?

In any case, WJ, It's Your list, YOU set the rules.

Well, let me throw this out here: Punch is a top five figure for sure, but he is also an exclusove and has a different budget and purpose than the mainline POTP. So does he deserve to be in the running for best POTP Toy even though he is playing by fifferent rules than say Rippersnapper or a Dinobot?

Coming from Dengeki Hobby is a news article containing new stock photos for the Legends two pack LG-EX Repugs and Grotes! We first saw confirmation of this release here, and stock photos have finally surfaced!

For those who were hoping for better paint applications, we apologize, as these figures are identical to their Hasbro counterparts.

The article also has stock photos on the TakaraTomy Throne of the Primes and MP20+ Wheeljack, which were already reported on this site here and here respectively.

LG-EX Ribaku & Grotes

Price: 7,000 yen (excluding tax)
Scheduled to be released late January 2019
Eligible age 15 years and over
Publisher: Takara Tomy

Rodimus Prime wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Blastoff actually really lines up well with my poor Parts Swap Dragstrip, so I am glad I picked him up last summer, came in use and perfectly too!

So why Dragstrip?

He was the spare. Found him at a Parts Swap last year (odd place to find a TF toy, but it happened, same this year with some dudes) missing all the accessories and the right rear wheel. Kept him anyway, he was $3. And then once we had the waves out for PotP and Blastoff was announced, I figured he would fit in perfectly so my con limbs would come out even, and I was right!

william-james88 wrote:Real question, if I make a top 5 POTP toys list, should I include these exclusives or not? Along with these 3 prime wars ones, there would be Nemesis Prime and Wreck Gar. So, regardless if these are worthy of a top 5 or not, should they be even considered or not?

I would, they all have the PotP logo and carry an exclusive prime from PotP. It would be a hard list though, so far my favorites are Abominus, Elita-1, Battletrap, Rodimus Unicronus, and Repugnus.

Really can't wait for Primal though, either of them. So glad Takara is doing the Throne of the Primes, just in case I cannot get one from HTS next week

7000 yen...hmm...that's awfully tempting, but then I would have to get a hold of the repungus titan master set as that head is a lot better then the one the toy wears.

First area Hun-Grr sighting at Shiloh, IL Target. They had Elita as well. Sadly, only other Terrorcon I've seen in stores around here has been Rippersnapper.

Urgh, I was really hoping it wouldn't be a two-pack. If I'd just not bought Amazon Repugnus then this would be perfect, but...! But now it's too late, Pug has already shipped, and I still have to try and work out a way to get Grotusque on his own.

Qwan wrote:Urgh, I was really hoping it wouldn't be a two-pack. If I'd just not bought Amazon Repugnus then this would be perfect, but...! But now it's too late, Pug has already shipped, and I still have to try and work out a way to get Grotusque on his own.

Sell your just obtained Repug and then buy the 2-pack?

There is one notable difference between these Legends versions and the Hasbro originals. The Legends two-pack lacks Titan Master Scorponok and Prime Master Special Edition Solus Prime.

ZeroWolf wrote:7000 yen...hmm...that's awfully tempting, but then I would have to get a hold of the repungus titan master set as that head is a lot better then the one the toy wears.

I dont think anyone outside Japan can possibly buy this for 7000 yen.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Qwan wrote:Urgh, I was really hoping it wouldn't be a two-pack. If I'd just not bought Amazon Repugnus then this would be perfect, but...! But now it's too late, Pug has already shipped, and I still have to try and work out a way to get Grotusque on his own.

Sell your just obtained Repug and then buy the 2-pack?

I think this might be the way to go. Hopefully people in Australia will be more interested in a reasonably-priced Repugnus since that's way harder to get here

william-james88 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:7000 yen...hmm...that's awfully tempting, but then I would have to get a hold of the repungus titan master set as that head is a lot better then the one the toy wears.

I dont think anyone outside Japan can possibly buy this for 7000 yen.

Anyone can buy it from Takara Tomy Mall at that price, it's the extra shipping costs through a shipping service that you can't avoid (shipping within Japan is free after 5,400JPY on TTM and tax is included with the price). But you'd have to pay shipping for anything you ordered from Japan so that's just an expected cost associated with buying from Japan. I intend to do this for the Golden Lagoon Starscream, but I've been waiting to see if domestic stores will be getting it like GL Optimus.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:7000 yen...hmm...that's awfully tempting, but then I would have to get a hold of the repungus titan master set as that head is a lot better then the one the toy wears.

I dont think anyone outside Japan can possibly buy this for 7000 yen.

Anyone can buy it from Takara Tomy Mall at that price, it's the extra shipping costs through a shipping service that you can't avoid (shipping within Japan is free after 5,400JPY on TTM and tax is included with the price). But you'd have to pay shipping for anything you ordered from Japan so that's just an expected cost associated with buying from Japan. I intend to do this for the Golden Lagoon Starscream, but I've been waiting to see if domestic stores will be getting it like GL Optimus.

Emerje

FFS Emerje, do you take me for a fool? I just meant this price is not what you'll end up paying if you live outside japan. Plus you forgot to mention the extra fee the shipping service takes for providing the forwarding service.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:If they call them part of PotP, then that means they are part of PotP, regardless of anyone's personal feelings or preferences.

Wolfman Jake wrote:Will, I would definitely count anything branded with "Power of the Primes" in your list.

Thanks for the feedback. Yes, if something is clearly labelled as POTP it should count, exclusive or not, makes sense. Like Wreck Gar and Throne of the Primes.

As for these though:

o.supreme wrote:I just looked at Repugnus packaging, which doesn't make things any better. It Advertises "Prime Wars", the entire Trilogy, showcases Titans Return (part 2 of the Trilogy), and PotP on the Side (part 3 of the Trilogy)

Thanks O.Supreme, mine have not shipped from Amazon yet (time to panic?!?!?!?!?!) so I didnt know about the labelling. If these arent clearly labelled, then if one is truly worthy of appearing it will be an honourable mention.

And with the brand unification, it only makese sense that I only count what is labelled at POTP globally. Wreck Gar and Throne of the Primes are a wide release in the Takara umbrella of POTP while Repugnus is still over in the Legends line, fully seperated.

Thanks for the tips guys, you have all been very helpful, now I will have to figure this out. Which isnt easy when most are interchangeable combiner limbs.

Oh and totally not related to anything, I wanted to reply to an earlier comment about the Abominus limbs. I find Sinnertwin deeply flawed. The others work fine but there are some realy weird choices made for sinner twin. I dont know why they did the beast necks that way with that odd triangle at the bottom, it just makes it look weird when you streth out the necks. Plus, I really dont like the way that barrel chest looks in robot mode. It really didnt have to look that way. With the rather small limbs by comparison he just looks so odd and unintimidating, unlike the other Terrorcons who looks pretty great in robot mode.

william-james88 wrote:FFS Emerje, do you take me for a fool? I just meant this price is not what you'll end up paying if you live outside japan.

But is that even worth mentioning since that's true for every single thing we import from Japan? Sometimes we get good deals, but we never pay just the advertised price. You may as well point that out every time someone posts a link to AmiAmi or HLJ.

Besides, there's certainly people out there that don't know that option exists to them.

Plus you forgot to mention the extra fee the shipping service takes for providing the forwarding service.

Depending on where you go the fee isn't that bad since they're just forwarding a package rather than buying it for you like a proxy service. My e-Hobby Magna Convoy shipped through Tenso cost a grand total of 2,300 JPY to ship after a 570 JPY handling fee via registered air mail which isn't much more than what it would cost AmiAmi to ship a Voyager to me through the same method. My total was less than if I had bought it from HLJ (they sold it) and much lower figure and shipping combined than if I had bought it from a domestic seller (and I had it less than a week after release).

Emerje

https://www.amiami.com/eng/detail/?gcode=FIGURE-041428

"Sloan of the Primes" Pre order open at Amiami.

No sign of Grotosque or Repugnus though.

Emerje wrote:

william-james88 wrote:FFS Emerje, do you take me for a fool? I just meant this price is not what you'll end up paying if you live outside japan.

But is that even worth mentioning since that's true for every single thing we import from Japan? Sometimes we get good deals, but we never pay just the advertised price. You may as well point that out every time someone posts a link to AmiAmi or HLJ.

It's probably worth mentioning when someone else mentions how tempting the base price is. Will's original statement wasn't apropos of nothing, it was in response to ZeroWolf talking about 7000yen being a low price - in which case saying "we can't actually get it for 7000 yen" is a fair statement.

Qwan wrote:

Emerje wrote:

william-james88 wrote:FFS Emerje, do you take me for a fool? I just meant this price is not what you'll end up paying if you live outside japan.

But is that even worth mentioning since that's true for every single thing we import from Japan? Sometimes we get good deals, but we never pay just the advertised price. You may as well point that out every time someone posts a link to AmiAmi or HLJ.

It's probably worth mentioning when someone else mentions how tempting the base price is. Will's original statement wasn't apropos of nothing, it was in response to ZeroWolf talking about 7000yen being a low price - in which case saying "we can't actually get it for 7000 yen" is a fair statement.

But you CAN get it for 7,000 JPY and then you pay shipping just like everything else you buy online from Japan. I'm giving ZeroWolf the benefit of the doubt and assuming he knows he'll still have to ship it home as well. And if he didn't know he does now which was the whole point of my comment to Will. I get what you're saying, 7,000 JPY isn't the final price, but I'd like to think everyone that buys stuff from Japan knows that. I bet I could get the set for $85 total or less buying it directly if I wanted to (thankfully I don't need to) which is less than it would cost me to buy the two off the second market right now ($100+) even if they don't come with the extra Masters. It's a perfectly viable alternative.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Qwan wrote:

Emerje wrote:

william-james88 wrote:FFS Emerje, do you take me for a fool? I just meant this price is not what you'll end up paying if you live outside japan.

But is that even worth mentioning since that's true for every single thing we import from Japan? Sometimes we get good deals, but we never pay just the advertised price. You may as well point that out every time someone posts a link to AmiAmi or HLJ.

It's probably worth mentioning when someone else mentions how tempting the base price is. Will's original statement wasn't apropos of nothing, it was in response to ZeroWolf talking about 7000yen being a low price - in which case saying "we can't actually get it for 7000 yen" is a fair statement.

But you CAN get it for 7,000 JPY and then you pay shipping just like everything else you buy online from Japan. I'm giving ZeroWolf the benefit of the doubt and assuming he knows he'll still have to ship it home as well. And if he didn't know he does now which was the whole point of my comment to Will. I get what you're saying, 7,000 JPY isn't the final price, but I'd like to think everyone that buys stuff from Japan knows that. I bet I could get the set for $85 total or less buying it directly if I wanted to (thankfully I don't need to) which is less than it would cost me to buy the two off the second market right now ($100+) even if they don't come with the extra Masters. It's a perfectly viable alternative.

Emerje

I totally agree it's viable, and in fact I'll almost certainly be picking this set up. I think at this point we're just arguing over different interpretations of ZeroWolf's post (sorry for assuming what you mean Zero!), and that's mostly my fault for jumping on in, probably.

Qwan wrote:I totally agree it's viable, and in fact I'll almost certainly be picking this set up. I think at this point we're just arguing over different interpretations of ZeroWolf's post (sorry for assuming what you mean Zero!), and that's mostly my fault for jumping on in, probably.

It's all good! We'd probably just keep talking in circles anyway if we kept going.

Emerje

This is a great release for me cos I skipped the hasbro as they were too pricey. Did pony up for counterpunch tho... They'r not amongst my favourite bots but I think they did a decent job and since I have double-cross... completion is a bitch!

Qwan wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Qwan wrote:

Emerje wrote:

william-james88 wrote:FFS Emerje, do you take me for a fool? I just meant this price is not what you'll end up paying if you live outside japan.

But is that even worth mentioning since that's true for every single thing we import from Japan? Sometimes we get good deals, but we never pay just the advertised price. You may as well point that out every time someone posts a link to AmiAmi or HLJ.

It's probably worth mentioning when someone else mentions how tempting the base price is. Will's original statement wasn't apropos of nothing, it was in response to ZeroWolf talking about 7000yen being a low price - in which case saying "we can't actually get it for 7000 yen" is a fair statement.

But you CAN get it for 7,000 JPY and then you pay shipping just like everything else you buy online from Japan. I'm giving ZeroWolf the benefit of the doubt and assuming he knows he'll still have to ship it home as well. And if he didn't know he does now which was the whole point of my comment to Will. I get what you're saying, 7,000 JPY isn't the final price, but I'd like to think everyone that buys stuff from Japan knows that. I bet I could get the set for $85 total or less buying it directly if I wanted to (thankfully I don't need to) which is less than it would cost me to buy the two off the second market right now ($100+) even if they don't come with the extra Masters. It's a perfectly viable alternative.

Emerje

I totally agree it's viable, and in fact I'll almost certainly be picking this set up. I think at this point we're just arguing over different interpretations of ZeroWolf's post (sorry for assuming what you mean Zero!), and that's mostly my fault for jumping on in, probably.

Don't worry, it's my fault for not making my initial post clearer

I was just looking at the Base price of 7000 yen, before looking at shipping options and how much customs I would have to pay (which is true of everything imported). Sorry for all the confusion!

Nemesis Primal wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:They could also have done redecoes homaging Energon Optimus' drones since CW Optimus has some major detail homages to him in torso mode... but they didn't do that either.

...they did do that though, that's exactly what they did. Those "random Autobot repaints" exactly match the colors of his Prime Force drones.
Ironhide=Fire-1=Red
Prowl=Copter-2=White
Sunstreaker=Digger-3=Yellow
Mirage=Submarine-4=Blue

That's a stretch that you're pulling out of your exhaust port and you know it. Not only did you get one of the colors wrong (Fire-1 is ORANGE), the remaining three matches seem highly coincidental at best (And just where do Hound, Smokescreen, Wheeljack, and Trailbreaker fit into your equation, hm?). Methinks a deliberate homage would, you know, have gone for vehicles that more closely matched. Like, say, redecoing Alpha Bravo (an actual helicopter) for Copter-2, Nosecone (You know, the actual digging vehicle guy) for Digger-3.. Dunno for sure what you would pass off as submarine, but the Afterbreaker mold or maybe a helicopter sans rotors probably works better for that than a freaking Formula racer. The Offroad mold probably is the best bet for Fire-1, though. But still, given all that, I highly doubt Ironhide, Prowl, Sunstreaker, and Mirage are a deliberate homage to the Prime Force. And if they are, then they're a poorly conceived and executed one.

Sowndwave76 wrote:Hi all...
After what feels like a pretty long hiatus, I wanted to stop by and drop my two cents about the Terrorcons (yeah, I know this post is really really REALLY late).

First, I seem to remember members here saying that this set wouldn't be released for a long, long time... I'm not bringing this up negatively or to point a finger, but just to say how surprised and excited I was when the news broke, photos were released, and after having a little patience, I found 3 of the 5 in a local store!
Next, is anyone else really happy with these figures?!? Between the bot modes, the at least somewhat unique transformations (for combiner figs), and really just the overall look (I also really like the alt modes), this is shaping up to be one incredible set.
I'm finally getting Hun-Gurrr (through an email from Amazon he was listed again at $24.99) this Thurs or Fri in the mail... And I have a couple different add-on kits on preorder... I know it's almost pointless to have two of these, but since there isn't a UW set for this team, I'm okay with dropping a little extra.

Anyway, I could see this set being one of my favorites, possibly my favorite overall.
And I see the upgrade kit from Dream Wave really making this an extremely nice looking combined bot!

So here's another dose of props to Hasbro. Well done!!!

I only have Rippernsapper so far because of the fubar distribution of Wave 2's original release, but I like him. And I look forward to collecting his teammates too, although they might not be top priority (Blackwing, Elita, and Roadtrap are a bit higher up the list).

Speaking of Blackwing brings me to a point. While the era of Takara doing more thoroughly painted painted (and retooled half the time, to boot) versions of practically every character for the Japanese release, we are still getting the occasional special redeco (see Golden Lagon Starscream) And I can predict at least one more they'll do based on Power of the Primes: Blackwing and Dreadwind into Hydra and Buster to further fill out the neo-Masterforce collection. I mean, if they can do freaking Grand Maximus i don't see doing the Godmaster Brothers posing an obstacle for them.

Regardless of whether or not they do, I plan on getting duplicates of the Dreadwing duo to make my own Generations Hydra and Buster (yes, despite the fact that they're retools of Combiner Wars toys and the Combiner Wars molds were designed by people with a psychopathic hatred of customizers). A. I enjoy Masterforce despite its continuity faults (IMO, the overall improvement in quality compared to Headmasters.. Don't get me started on that series) so I'd like to have the Masterforce counterparts as well (in fact, more than I want the US characters), and B. I think Dreadwind, Blackwing, Hydra, and Buster would make the perfect set of limbs for Starscream (this in fact is why I want duplicates instead of just getting one of each to repaint into Hydra and Buster). They're all jets so they would work together well from a tactical standpoint, neither the Dreadwing Duo nor the Godmaster Brothers is part of an existing combiner limb group, and Dreadwind is even suggested by Starscream's boxart (which also suggests Sinnertwin, but he kinda has a prior commitment).

Moving on from that point, still very much enjoying Volcanicus. I hope to get some pics taken soon. Including one involving a certain Decepticon Headmaster.

Why would you say that about combiner wars hating customisers? From results I've seen around the Web you can get some great results. Look at what our own Kanrabat has achieved with his combiner customs.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:They could also have done redecoes homaging Energon Optimus' drones since CW Optimus has some major detail homages to him in torso mode... but they didn't do that either.

...they did do that though, that's exactly what they did. Those "random Autobot repaints" exactly match the colors of his Prime Force drones.
Ironhide=Fire-1=Red
Prowl=Copter-2=White
Sunstreaker=Digger-3=Yellow
Mirage=Submarine-4=Blue

That's a stretch that you're pulling out of your exhaust port and you know it. Not only did you get one of the colors wrong (Fire-1 is ORANGE), the remaining three matches seem highly coincidental at best (And just where do Hound, Smokescreen, Wheeljack, and Trailbreaker fit into your equation, hm?). Methinks a deliberate homage would, you know, have gone for vehicles that more closely matched. Like, say, redecoing Alpha Bravo (an actual helicopter) for Copter-2, Nosecone (You know, the actual digging vehicle guy) for Digger-3.. Dunno for sure what you would pass off as submarine, but the Afterbreaker mold or maybe a helicopter sans rotors probably works better for that than a freaking Formula racer. The Offroad mold probably is the best bet for Fire-1, though. But still, given all that, I highly doubt Ironhide, Prowl, Sunstreaker, and Mirage are a deliberate homage to the Prime Force. And if they are, then they're a poorly conceived and executed one.

When Takara released Unite Warriors Convoy Grand Prime, they not only colored Prime's torso to better match Energon Optimus's Super Mode torso more closely than the Hasbro toy did, but deliberately took further advantage of the Energon Optimus homage by specifically putting Ironhide, Prowl, Sunstreaker, and Mirage into the official limb arrangement that color-coordinated with the official main configuration of Energon Optimus's drones, placing Ironhide as the right arm like Fire-1 (yes yes, red is not orange, but they're still closely-related colors), Prowl as the left arm like Copter-2, Sunstreaker as the right leg like Digger-3, and Mirage as the left leg like Submarine-4.




As opposed to Hasbro's official configuration of the same limbs for Optimus Maximus not taking advantage of the Energon homage by instead just putting them in a more random order:




Granted, the Hasbro way does kinda resemble the secondary official configuration for Energon Optimus's limbs, but since the legs are each on the wrong side, I'm doubting that there was any intention of homage like what Takara saw and made use of.



I mean, it becomes even more obvious that Takara saw the Energon homage when one recalls that e-HOBBY even made Grand Scourge from Super Link out of the mold.

Anyways, the detailing on the prime combiner torso was always an homage to energon prime in super mode so it only makes sense to infer further homages

Emerje wrote: tax is included with the price

It is not, and such is stated clearly in the article

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... que/41802/

Either HTS is getting low in stock on PotP Voyagers, or they are price adjusting again. Voyagers are now priced as $29.99 (previously were $24.99). Only Starscream and Elita-1 are currently in stock, but that certainly is a deterrent. I got my SS for around $20 after some coupons, but I know some who passed him at $10 on Amazon prime day, I'm pretty sure most fans who want SS have it by now, but after all the negative reviews, I'm pretty sure nobody's going to pay $30 for it...Better clearance those out HTS...

Did the United version of Wreck-Gar have the breakage issues that the Hasbro version had?

william-james88 wrote:

Emerje wrote: tax is included with the price

It is not, and such is stated clearly in the article

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... que/41802/

You're right. I didn't realize where people were getting the price from and thought the info was coming from Takara Tomy which does include the tax in the price. Doesn't really change my argument as it's still the price anyone in Japan would be expected to pay.

Emerje

It's just a shame we never got a slightly-more accurate Grand Convoy from Takara. Now granted while Fire-1 could be a Rook retool I'm not sure about Submarine-4. I'm sure someone, somewhere, customized that.

^ I saw a pretty cool Raiden custom (the helicopter mold made pretty good bullet trains when all the blade apparatus removed). I'm sure something similar could be done to turn it into a submarine of sorts.

o.supreme wrote:^ I saw a pretty cool Raiden custom (the helicopter mold made pretty good bullet trains when all the blade apparatus removed). I'm sure something similar could be done to turn it into a submarine of sorts.

What did they do with the torso though? None of the ones we got would have lent themselves to a train alt that well.