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New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack

Transformers News: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack

Thursday, September 25th, 2014 3:59PM CDT

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If you've been anxiously awaiting Masterpiece Wheeljack, or even just sort of looking forward to him, this gallery doesn't disappoint. Not only can you get a great look at both modes, but you also get a nice shot of of Wheeljack's hidden face.

Masterpiece Wheeljack comes with his blaster and shoulder launcher. Depending on where you pick up MP-20 Wheeljack, you may also receive the much-anticipated hypno-chip disruptor from “Ultimate Doom, Part 3.” He transforms into an officially licensed Lancia Stratos Turbo; a clean, precise vehicle mode that instantly calls to mind the custom racecar upon which it’s based.

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Transformers News: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack

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Transformers News: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack

Transformers News: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack

Transformers News: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack

Transformers News: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack

Transformers News: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack

Transformers News: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack

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Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1608782)
Posted by RK_Striker_JK_5 on September 25th, 2014 @ 4:02pm CDT
It's the mad scientist himself!
Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1608783)
Posted by ScoutBumblebee on September 25th, 2014 @ 4:04pm CDT
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:It's the mad scientist himself!


Words cannot describe how much I dig this figure.
Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1608784)
Posted by megatronus on September 25th, 2014 @ 4:05pm CDT
So is Ryan buying in bulk these days for his eBay store?

Also... I wonder if we'll get a forehead accessory so you can reasonably display mustached Wheeljack without a hole in his head. But then again, Jackie always did have a screw loose :P
Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1608795)
Posted by f-primus-unicron on September 25th, 2014 @ 4:39pm CDT
where is dotm/la wheeljack, and energon/superlink downshift? they are no less wheeljack than the tf prime incarnation
and what about a comparison with the binaltech(alternators version?)
-_-
Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1608797)
Posted by Mr_Autobot411 on September 25th, 2014 @ 4:51pm CDT
god that hole in his head is awful.........


other then that hes amazing.........

i also really appericate seeing the generations jackie in the photos, i almost forgot how awesome he was too, thought his stout legs were annoying.

so now i wonder if we will get a Jazz in the near future, the alternators version is the best out there but still isnt a home run.......... :BOT: :CON:
Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1608798)
Posted by Seibertron on September 25th, 2014 @ 4:55pm CDT
The screw in his lower abdomen, which can be seen through his front windshield, was driving me crazy! It looks like he has a belly button (and now you won't be able to unsee it either!). :P

It irked me that they didn't tint the windows darker or figure out some way to hide the screw. It was a glaring blemish and design flaw in an otherwise perfect figure. I decided to improvise by cutting out a white square from an extra sticker sheet from reprolabels to cover it up. The cut-out square wasn't perfect but it sure as heck looks a lot better than having the screw there.

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Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1608799)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 25th, 2014 @ 4:57pm CDT
Now it looks like he's wearing a piece of paper over his belly button. :twisted: 8-} :lol: :P
Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1608801)
Posted by Seibertron on September 25th, 2014 @ 5:07pm CDT
f-primus-unicron wrote:where is dotm/la wheeljack, and energon/superlink downshift? they are no less wheeljack than the tf prime incarnation
and what about a comparison with the binaltech(alternators version?)
-_-


I agree ... but I can't do comparison shots with every version of a character any more! At least not when I'm trying to get to 4,000 galleries or until things slow down with toy releases.
Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1608802)
Posted by Mr_Autobot411 on September 25th, 2014 @ 5:08pm CDT
Seibertron wrote:The screw in his lower abdomen, which can be seen through his front windshield, was driving me crazy! It looks like he has a belly button (and now you won't be able to unsee it either!). :P

It irked me that they didn't tint the windows darker or figure out some way to hide the screw. It was a glaring blemish and design flaw in an otherwise perfect figure. I decided to improvise by cutting out a white square from an extra sticker sheet from reprolabels to cover it up. The cut-out square wasn't perfect but it sure as heck looks a lot better than having the screw there.

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Good job dude! so if the screw bothered u( and it does bother me too) how do u feel about that god awful hole in his hidden face?! lol

i personally dont like the face, so he will be mask on all the time
Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1608803)
Posted by Seibertron on September 25th, 2014 @ 5:14pm CDT
megatronus wrote:So is Ryan buying in bulk these days for his eBay store?


I am slowly buying in larger quantities the more and more comfortable I am getting with certain products and the speed with which certain products sell over others. This was the most I've ordered for a Masterpiece figure. The primary focus of the Seibertron.com Store will continue to be older products. Purchasing extras of new figures will also play a part in the store to assist with managing Seibertron.com's overhead and to increase the efficiency of the business.

There are 5 Masterpiece Wheeljacks left in our store! Products from the Seibertron.com Store ship super fast.

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?siteid=0&pub=5574891718&campid=5336631220&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2FTransformers-Masterpiece-MP-20-WHEELJACK-Lancia-Stratos-IN-STOCK-READY-2-SHIP-%2F171472608605%3F

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Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1608804)
Posted by Seibertron on September 25th, 2014 @ 5:19pm CDT
Mr_Autobot411 wrote:Good job dude! so if the screw bothered u( and it does bother me too) how do u feel about that god awful hole in his hidden face?! lol

i personally dont like the face, so he will be mask on all the time


I was less concerned about that because Wheeljack won't ever need to be displayed like that. It was a bonus hidden easter egg feature so that feature doesn't need to be perfect. Sure it would have been nice had they figured out a way to do it so you could have either head displayed but it doesn't bother me since a week or so ago we had no idea that he had a bonus face.

The belly button screw, on the other hand :michaelbay:
Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1608805)
Posted by megatronus on September 25th, 2014 @ 5:20pm CDT
Seibertron wrote:The screw in his lower abdomen, which can be seen through his front windshield, was driving me crazy! It looks like he has a belly button (and now you won't be able to unsee it either!). :P

It irked me that they didn't tint the windows darker or figure out some way to hide the screw. It was a glaring blemish and design flaw in an otherwise perfect figure. I decided to improvise by cutting out a white square from an extra sticker sheet from reprolabels to cover it up. The cut-out square wasn't perfect but it sure as heck looks a lot better than having the screw there.

Holy crap that is annoying! The piece of sticker seems to be an acceptable and low tech fix, though.

What annoys me more about the windows, less than the intensity of the tint, is that they're grey/black, like the toy, instead of blue like the cartoon. I can live with it though, because he looks magnificent.
Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1608822)
Posted by kirbenvost on September 25th, 2014 @ 6:35pm CDT
Looks amazing. I can't wait to get mine in the mail! So in regards to the hidden face, do you have to remove a screw to see it? Or does the mask just pop out with a peg? If it's held on with a screw it makes complete sense why there's a hole. It's just a cool easter egg, after all.

The belly button screw, lol... I can't unsee now either, but it doesn't bug me so much. He's one of those crazy mad scientists whose shirt shrunk in the wash or something. I'm sure Doc Brown has had a couple wardrobe malfunctions from time to time. Mad scientists ain't got time for fashion!
Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1608831)
Posted by MGrotusque on September 25th, 2014 @ 7:23pm CDT
As the mustachioed face under the "mask" may be perceived as a happy easter egg, i don't like it one bit. It irks me that it even exists as a gimmick. His "masked" face is his face. ALways has been till now?? I sure hope it doesn't become canon or anything in the future.
No sir, I don't like it one bit.
WIth that being said he's in the mail as we speak. Looking forward to getting him.

EDIT: well......there is a face in Animated i guess but there was still no mustache goin on.
Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1608884)
Posted by RhA on September 26th, 2014 @ 2:52am CDT
Good stuff.
Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1608893)
Posted by frogbat on September 26th, 2014 @ 4:28am CDT
When i saw pix of this guy I ended up collecting mp's again. Got sideswipe and smokescreen will end up getting mp10 too. woe be the wallet.

the face is a bit leftfield - i'd have rather they tried to implement a light up feature but hey...

wheeljack was my second tf ever, still have him in not very good condition - think he was also the first tf that I ended up losing parts to. His spoilers and his back antennae thingies... His robot mode was also a disappointment even for a 6 year old. His arms were too loose to stay up and fists couldn't hold a weapon. His missile launchers were bulky, and being a Gig italian import, it had the orange rubbered dumbbells as missiles. His car mode was as impressive and detailed as any other g1 though so he spent most of his time racing between battles.

That's why I'm always on the look out for new iterations of this character, have both prime and generations and they are both excellent figures, looking forward to adding the mp to my collection :D
Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1609024)
Posted by Blurrz on September 26th, 2014 @ 5:07pm CDT
If I could get a size comparison between Animated Rodimus and MP Wheeljack, that's be A+
Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1609052)
Posted by shajaki on September 26th, 2014 @ 8:37pm CDT
megatronus wrote:What annoys me more about the windows, less than the intensity of the tint, is that they're grey/black, like the toy, instead of blue like the cartoon. I can live with it though, because he looks magnificent.
all will be fixed with MP20A ;)
Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1629981)
Posted by Mindmaster on December 14th, 2014 @ 4:23pm CST
It's the holiday season, and we here at Seibertron.com are gearing up for it. That's not to say we've forgotten you the people! As an early Christmas gift, Seibertron.com adds a big gallery for the little guys: it's the newly released Masterpiece MP-21 Bumblebee and Exo-Suit Daniel Witwicky! Thirty years after his debut, Bumblebee finally receives an officially-licensed, fully faithful update, and features a face-changing gimmick, including a neutral face, a smiling face, and, if you were lucky to have preordered from Amazon Japan, a battle mask that homages his original Generation One toy. Packed with Bumblebee is Daniel Witwicky in the futuristic Exo-Suit that was used prominently throughout the original 1986 animated film and the space opera that was Season Three-onward. Check out our preview images below, and if you would like to see the full galleries, click either the links or the images to be taken to them!

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Transformers Masterpiece Exo-Suit Daniel Witwicky

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Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1629982)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 14th, 2014 @ 4:27pm CST
Never realized how big Bug Bite is.
Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1630005)
Posted by Cyberpath on December 14th, 2014 @ 5:51pm CST
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Nice one!

Hasui said that the Witwicky in the exosuit is Spike (スパイク.)
Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1630020)
Posted by Seibertron on December 14th, 2014 @ 7:11pm CST
Hasui said that the Witwicky in the exosuit is Spike (スパイク.)


I think they dropped the ball on this. I'm assuming the intention was to have this be Spike. That would make the most sense since Bumblebee and Spike were always together in g1 and the animated movie. But the face and hair sculpt sure looks like Daniel plus the image used in the instructions is 100% Daniel. Someone can say Spike all they want but it certainly looks like daniel. If hasui is the designer someone should tell me if he wanted that to be spike they should've done a better job with the head sculpt, called the product "Spike Witwicky Exo-Suit Ver." And used an image of Spike in Exo suit from Headmasters (I'm assuming they don't have rights to usage of imagery from animated film for some reason).

If the instructions or box specifically call the product Spike in Japanese, I'll change it but if it's something from Twitter it stays how it is.
Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1630052)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 14th, 2014 @ 9:48pm CST
Seibertron wrote:
Hasui said that the Witwicky in the exosuit is Spike (スパイク.)


I think they dropped the ball on this. I'm assuming the intention was to have this be Spike. That would make the most sense since Bumblebee and Spike were always together in g1 and the animated movie. But the face and hair sculpt sure looks like Daniel plus the image used in the instructions is 100% Daniel. Someone can say Spike all they want but it certainly looks like daniel. If hasui is the designer someone should tell me if he wanted that to be spike they should've done a better job with the head sculpt, called the product "Spike Witwicky Exo-Suit Ver." And used an image of Spike in Exo suit from Headmasters (I'm assuming they don't have rights to usage of imagery from animated film for some reason).

If the instructions or box specifically call the product Spike in Japanese, I'll change it but if it's something from Twitter it stays how it is.

Diem posted this in the MP-21 Bumble thread:
Diem wrote:Also officially the figure that comes with Bee is Spike.

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The above pic is a shot of the back of the box.

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エクセルスートのスパイクも変形。 = "Ekuseru Suuto no Supaiku mo henkei." = "Spike's Excel Suit also transforms."

Though, one thing puzzles me:
Seibertron wrote:(I'm assuming they don't have rights to usage of imagery from animated film for some reason)
Why would they not? :???:
Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1630054)
Posted by Desslok2201 on December 14th, 2014 @ 10:09pm CST
While I agree that they've made it pretty clear from the start that this is Spike, and it makes way more sense for it to be Spike, given the two being onscreen together as such, I'd be willing to make a bet that this exo-suit will be back, unchanged, with MP Wheelie or Arcee.
Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1630070)
Posted by steve2275 on December 15th, 2014 @ 12:22am CST
a most excellent looking bee
Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1630071)
Posted by Seibertron on December 15th, 2014 @ 12:25am CST
Sabrblade wrote:Though, one thing puzzles me:
Seibertron wrote:(I'm assuming they don't have rights to usage of imagery from animated film for some reason)
Why would they not? :???:


It seems like imagery from the Animated film is rarely used in the past few years, specifically since Paramount obtained rights to it. In the US, that's because Paramount owns the rights to it currently so they could block it from being released because they apparently felt that it would confuse the marketplace with the live action movies (doesn't make any sense to me). I think the Australian Madman Blu-Ray release was the last time that it was available so I wonder if it has now been somehow restricted worldwide. My speculation could be running wild here ... just something I've noticed.

I changed the gallery to Spike but I still stand by my opinion of it. The sideburns and facial proportions are that of Daniel and not Spike. Daniel has the smaller triangle sideburns like this toy has whereas Spike has the longer rectangle sideburns that go the length of his ears. Also, the face is round like the boy Daniel instead of a more "chisled"/longer adult face like adult Spike has. They can call it Spike all they want, but that's Daniel's face/head (and the instructions seem to back this up as well with the picture of Daniel in it and a picture of Spike nowhere to be seen).

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Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1630117)
Posted by Autobot032 on December 15th, 2014 @ 7:03am CST
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エクセルスートのスパイクも変形。 = "Ekuseru Suuto no Supaiku mo henkei." = "Spike's Excel Suit also transforms."


Ah. Good catch. That, plus the fact that shots of Magnus's packaging state that he's coming with a figure of Daniel. This Exo-Suit is Spike, Daniel comes with Magnus and younger Spike came with MP-10, so all we're missing is a Carly and a Chip Chase.

EDIT: Here we go.
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Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1630146)
Posted by procyon on December 15th, 2014 @ 9:04am CST
Could someone please identify the larger bright yellow "bee" in the comparison pics that is neither the MP or the G1? Is it third-party? Thanks.
Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1630147)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on December 15th, 2014 @ 9:10am CST
procyon wrote:Could someone please identify the larger bright yellow "bee" in the comparison pics that is neither the MP or the G1? Is it third-party? Thanks.


That's Bug Bite from Tonka's Gobots. He's a so-called Super Gobot, larger than normal Gobots, but his transformation is a standard one used by half of the Supers. Thanks to Hasbro buying out Tonka in the 1990's, the Bug Bite character could be used for BotCon 2007 as a white repaint of Classics Bumblebee, based on one of e-Hobby's G1 Gobots:

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By the by, pretty interesting that Gobots Bug Bite is practically the same size as MP Bumble in vehicle mode. :lol:
Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1630180)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 15th, 2014 @ 11:08am CST
Seibertron wrote:It seems like imagery from the Animated film is rarely used in the past few years, specifically since Paramount obtained rights to it. In the US, that's because Paramount owns the rights to it currently so they could block it from being released because they apparently felt that it would confuse the marketplace with the live action movies (doesn't make any sense to me). I think the Australian Madman Blu-Ray release was the last time that it was available so I wonder if it has now been somehow restricted worldwide. My speculation could be running wild here ... just something I've noticed.
Would Paramount's hold in the movie in the U.S. extend to Japanese markets as well, though? To my understanding (though it could be wrong), ownership rights of American material mightn't affect those in foreign markets that already have their own versions of the material. Paramount might be keeping the American version of the movie out of the American market, but what's to stop Toei from putting out a new domestic (for Japan) DVD release of the Japanese audio version of the movie that neither Hasbro nor Paramount ought to have any ownership of? If Toei wanted to, that is. Would Paramount step in and object to a foreign release that would otherwise ignore the English-language markets that Paramount's been trying to keep that movie out of? :-?

Seibertron wrote:I changed the gallery to Spike but I still stand by my opinion of it. The sideburns and facial proportions are that of Daniel and not Spike. Daniel has the smaller triangle sideburns like this toy has whereas Spike has the longer rectangle sideburns that go the length of his ears. Also, the face is round like the boy Daniel instead of a more "chisled"/longer adult face like adult Spike has. They can call it Spike all they want, but that's Daniel's face/head (and the instructions seem to back this up as well with the picture of Daniel in it and a picture of Spike nowhere to be seen).
Maybe someone goofed up and based it on the wrong visual reference. They might have used that The Headmasters screengrab of Daniel in the transformed Exo-Suit that we see in the instructions and mistook it for Spike. Who knows. *shrug*
Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1630240)
Posted by padfoo on December 15th, 2014 @ 3:08pm CST
Autobot032 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Image

エクセルスートのスパイクも変形。 = "Ekuseru Suuto no Supaiku mo henkei." = "Spike's Excel Suit also transforms."


Ah. Good catch. That, plus the fact that shots of Magnus's packaging state that he's coming with a figure of Daniel. This Exo-Suit is Spike, Daniel comes with Magnus and younger Spike came with MP-10, so all we're missing is a Carly and a Chip Chase.

EDIT: Here we go.
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The Daniel here looks just like the Spike above, so confusing. I wish the figures were larger!
Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1630366)
Posted by Agent-539 on December 16th, 2014 @ 6:08am CST
The should be a 3rd party that should be able to make a line of MP human figures that scale up with the robot modes. Whom to send proposals to.

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Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1630496)
Posted by Mindmaster on December 16th, 2014 @ 1:02pm CST
Agent-539 wrote:The should be a 3rd party that should be able to make a line of MP human figures that scale up with the robot modes. Whom to send proposals to.

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One company already made Spike and Sparkplug to go with MP-10. Dr. Wu, I think?
Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1630561)
Posted by Seibertron on December 16th, 2014 @ 5:33pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:
Seibertron wrote:I changed the gallery to Spike but I still stand by my opinion of it. The sideburns and facial proportions are that of Daniel and not Spike. Daniel has the smaller triangle sideburns like this toy has whereas Spike has the longer rectangle sideburns that go the length of his ears. Also, the face is round like the boy Daniel instead of a more "chisled"/longer adult face like adult Spike has. They can call it Spike all they want, but that's Daniel's face/head (and the instructions seem to back this up as well with the picture of Daniel in it and a picture of Spike nowhere to be seen).
Maybe someone goofed up and based it on the wrong visual reference. They might have used that The Headmasters screengrab of Daniel in the transformed Exo-Suit that we see in the instructions and mistook it for Spike. Who knows. *shrug*


I'm switching it back to Daniel. The toy's head is clearly Daniel. The line-art in the Masterpiece book that came out a few months back is Daniel as well. The prototype in that book appears to have the head of Spike oddly. I'll post scans in a few minutes so you guys can see the difference in Spike and Daniel's heads in the exo-suit.

The guys over at the Wiki also seem to agree: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Bumblebee_(G1)/toys#Masterpiece
Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1630563)
Posted by Seibertron on December 16th, 2014 @ 5:41pm CST
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Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1630564)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 16th, 2014 @ 5:47pm CST
Oy vey. Then someone at Takara really did goof up since the packaging does acknowledge it as Spike, as スパイク is how one writes "Spike" in Katakana (unless the packaging just meant that the Exosuit belonged to Spike even though it's Daniel inside it). "Daniel" would be ダニエル. But... yeah, it is very much Daniel.

Only thing I can guess is that Hasui might have planned for it to be Spike, but somewhere along the way somebody else didn't get that exact memo, got working on the Exosuit, remembered that Daniel was seen in it more than his father was, thought that's who it was supposed to be, and made Daniel instead.

Though, this does raise the question of whether they'll try again with giving us an actual Spike from this toy in some later release. Maybe either with a variant release of Bumble or with a completely different figure.
Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1630565)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on December 16th, 2014 @ 5:49pm CST
Seibertron wrote:I'm switching it back to Daniel. The toy's head is clearly Daniel. The line-art in the Masterpiece book that came out a few months back is Daniel as well. The prototype in that book appears to have the head of Spike oddly. I'll post scans in a few minutes so you guys can see the difference in Spike and Daniel's heads in the exo-suit.


Is changing it Daniel really a good idea though? The fact that the instructions clearly state it's Spike would make things final no matter what people may think he actually is. You may think it's Daniel, TakaraTomy claim it's Spike. In the interest of being factually accurate with the site, which side takes priority? The evidence does point to him being designed originally as Daniel, I'll give you that. but the name given, eh... I agree with Sabrblade here that TakaraTomy made a Galaxy Goofup.

Keeping the name Spike, but at the same time acknowledging the sculpt to be based on Daniel would be the way to go IMHO. Keep both sides of the argument ("It's Spike, the instructions say so" vs. "It's Daniel, look at the sculpt!") appeased.
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Posted by Seibertron on December 16th, 2014 @ 5:52pm CST
It's tough to tell from this scan but at a lower resolution it looks much more like Spike on the printed page. Notice the elongated face versus the rounder face for Daniel plus the part in his hair on his left side that is absent on the Daniel head mold.

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Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1630567)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 16th, 2014 @ 5:53pm CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Is changing it Daniel really a good idea though? The fact that the instructions clearly state it's Spike
Do they, though? Looks more like they just call the toy "Exo-Suit"/"Excel Suit":

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Posted by Seibertron on December 16th, 2014 @ 5:57pm CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Keeping the name Spike, but at the same time acknowledging the sculpt to be based on Daniel would be the way to go IMHO. Keep both sides of the argument ("It's Spike, the instructions say so" vs. "It's Daniel, look at the sculpt!") appeased.


Not sure where it says in the instructions that it's Spike, but regardless the picture shown is that of Daniel. I can't read Japanese but I can certainly look at an image in the instructions to see that it's clearly Daniel, I can look at the officially licensed Takara Masterpiece book to see that the line-art is Daniel, and I can look at the toy itself to clearly see that it's Daniel. Maybe it's just the artist in me that notices shapes and subtle differences even in something so vague, I dunno, but it's definitely Daniel and not the adult version of Spike.

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Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1630569)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on December 16th, 2014 @ 5:58pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Is changing it Daniel really a good idea though? The fact that the instructions clearly state it's Spike
Do they, though? Looks more like they just call the toy "Exo-Suit"/"Excel Suit":

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My bad, it's the box-back:

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Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1630570)
Posted by Seibertron on December 16th, 2014 @ 6:00pm CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:My bad, it's the box-back:

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I would consider that a typo since that's the only reference of it as "Spike" whereas we have line-art from Takara showing it as Daniel, the instructions show Daniel, and the shape of the head is Daniel.

Also, are we sure that it doesn't say something like "Daniel is wearing Spike's Exo-Suit" or "Spike built the Exo-Suit". Is Daniel's name in the text anywhere on the box?
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Posted by Seibertron on December 16th, 2014 @ 6:07pm CST
エクセルス‐ツ0スパイクも蛾。

Excel scan - Tsu 0 spike also moth.

Whatever that means.
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Posted by Sabrblade on December 16th, 2014 @ 6:10pm CST
Seibertron wrote:Also, are we sure that it doesn't say something like "Daniel is wearing Spike's Exo-Suit" or "Spike built the Exo-Suit". Is Daniel's name in the text anywhere on the box?
I wondered something like that, myself. The text エクセルスートのスパイクも変形。 basically translates to saying "Spike's Excel Suit also transforms." But the parsing of it as "Spike's Excel Suit" (as in "Ekuseru Suuto no Supaiku") could be a reference to how the suit worn by Daniel in the movie belonged to his father. So even though it's "Spike's Exo-Suit", it's still Daniel who's wearing it.

As for whether or not Daniel's name is mentioned anywhere on the box, the entirety of the text on the whole box is a bit small for me to tell (even in the biggest images), but if Daniel's name is mentioned anywhere, it would look like this:

ダニエル
Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1630573)
Posted by Seibertron on December 16th, 2014 @ 6:11pm CST
I can't tell how accurate this text is to what's on the box ... most of it looks accurate

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Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1630574)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on December 16th, 2014 @ 6:12pm CST
Seibertron wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:My bad, it's the box-back:

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I would consider that a typo since that's the only reference of it as "Spike" whereas we have line-art from Takara showing it as Daniel, the instructions show Daniel, and the shape of the head is Daniel.

Also, are we sure that it doesn't say something like "Daniel is wearing Spike's Exo-Suit" or "Spike built the Exo-Suit". Is Daniel's name in the text anywhere on the box?


I looked all over but "Daniel" isn't mentioned anywhere. Then again, I also considered the possibility that "Spike's Exo-Suit" could be viewed as "Exo-Suit built by Spike". That could mean that TakaraTomy intended the fans to decide who he actually is as the focus is more on the suit itself rather than the one piloting it. Japanese is like any language that way...
Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1630575)
Posted by Seibertron on December 16th, 2014 @ 6:14pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:
Seibertron wrote:Also, are we sure that it doesn't say something like "Daniel is wearing Spike's Exo-Suit" or "Spike built the Exo-Suit". Is Daniel's name in the text anywhere on the box?
I wondered something like that, myself. The text エクセルスートのスパイクも変形。 basically translates to saying "Spike's Excel Suit also transforms." But the parsing of it as "Spike's Excel Suit" (as in "Ekuseru Suuto no Supaiku") could be a reference to how the suit worn by Daniel in the movie belonged to his father. So even though it's "Spike's Exo-Suit", it's still Daniel who's wearing it.

As for whether or not Daniel's name is mentioned anywhere on the box, the entirety of the text on the whole box is a bit small for me to tell (even in the biggest images), but if Daniel's name is mentioned anywhere, it would look like this:

ダニエル


There are close-ups of the text in my gallery of Bumblebee. You can use this Japanese OCR I just found ...

http://maggie.ocrgrid.org/nhocr/

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If you need larger cropped images of specific text, just let me know where and I can get them from my original images before they are shrunk down for the web.
Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1630576)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 16th, 2014 @ 6:15pm CST
Boy, the three of us are fast posters. :P

So, I guess that's it. Daniel's not mentioned, the toy's only called "Exo-Suit", the one reference to Spike might just be a reference to how the suit belonged to him, but it's still very much Daniel's noggin inside the thing.
Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1630577)
Posted by Seibertron on December 16th, 2014 @ 6:18pm CST
The image of what I assume is his bio in his instructions is too low res ... if you guys think that text might reveal something, I can photograph it again up close so that we can use the OCR convertor on it to see if there are any hints there.
Re: New Gallery: Transformers Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack (1630581)
Posted by Seibertron on December 16th, 2014 @ 6:21pm CST
I'm scanning the Exo-Suit text from the instructions right now so that we can get a clearer scan of it for the OCR.

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