More In-Hand Images of Transformers Masterpiece MP-34 Cheetor, Comparison with MP32 Optimus Primal
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Posted by Ravage XK on February 24th, 2017 @ 11:55am CST
Never would have thought that I would be looking forward to this as much as I am.
Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on February 24th, 2017 @ 10:43pm CST
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I really like Cheetor here, but if a Tigatron is announced, I'd probably go for him instead. Him and Airazor would be BEAST! (pun intended)
Posted by Sabrblade on February 24th, 2017 @ 10:47pm CST
More like Cheetor cosplaying Tigatron. The limbs are too lanky and scrawny and the beast head's shaped all wrong. Tigatron's buffer that Cheetor.SillySpringer wrote:Doesn't the Tigatron here look amazing?
Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on February 24th, 2017 @ 10:52pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:More like Cheetor cosplaying Tigatron. The limbs are too lanky and scrawny and the beast head's shaped all wrong. Tigatron's buffer that Cheetor.SillySpringer wrote:Doesn't the Tigatron here look amazing?
Same construction in robot mode in Beast Wars pretty much. It's the bigger head that puts the scale off.
Looks good to me. Just needs retooling on the beast parts and robot head.
Posted by Sabrblade on February 24th, 2017 @ 10:57pm CST
That's just the Japanese toy's box art, not the cartoon model.SillySpringer wrote:Sabrblade wrote:More like Cheetor cosplaying Tigatron. The limbs are too lanky and scrawny and the beast head's shaped all wrong. Tigatron's buffer that Cheetor.SillySpringer wrote:Doesn't the Tigatron here look amazing?
Same construction in robot mode in Beast Wars pretty much. It's the bigger head that puts the scale off.
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Looks good to me. Just needs retooling on the beast parts and robot head.
The original toys were straight redecos of each other, but Mainframe modified Tigatron's CG model to better distinguish him from Cheetor.
Compare:
Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, Tigatron's cartoon model was bigger than Cheetor's, and his beast mode was shaped differently.
Tigatron's beast mode has more overall mass to it. A larger head, thicker legs, a more rounded back and belly; about the only thing his and Cheetor's MPs could share is transformation engineering. The rest of Tigatron would need to be a larger mold.
Posted by Insurgent on February 25th, 2017 @ 2:43am CST
Posted by Kurona on February 25th, 2017 @ 2:46am CST
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on February 25th, 2017 @ 2:50am CST
Posted by Insurgent on February 25th, 2017 @ 2:59am CST
Carnivius_Prime wrote:There's no tidier method of hiding away those cheetah legs, huh?
You mean on his back? That's screen accurate, down to the way they cross over each other.
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on February 25th, 2017 @ 3:02am CST
Insurgent wrote:Carnivius_Prime wrote:There's no tidier method of hiding away those cheetah legs, huh?
You mean on his back? That's screen accurate, down to the way they cross over each other.
Yeah and I didn't like it then either (though to be honest I didn't care for Beast Wars in general.. stories were alright but the CGI was really hard for me to get past). Screen accuracy is not always a good thing. Suppose if you're a big fan of Cheetor this toy is great.
Posted by Kurona on February 25th, 2017 @ 3:05am CST
Carnivius_Prime wrote:Insurgent wrote:Carnivius_Prime wrote:There's no tidier method of hiding away those cheetah legs, huh?
You mean on his back? That's screen accurate, down to the way they cross over each other.
Yeah and I didn't like it then either (though to be honest I didn't care for Beast Wars in general.. stories were alright but the CGI was really hard for me to get past). Screen accuracy is not always a good thing. Suppose if you're a big fan of Cheetor this toy is great.
Well, it is Masterpiece - screen accuracy is the name of the game. If you want a cool update you have to rely on Generations eventually coming up with something.
Posted by Insurgent on February 25th, 2017 @ 3:07am CST
As for the cgi... Yeah i can understand how it looks dated. But for the second ever show to ever be made from cgi, when it was in it's infancy, it was groundbreaking at the time.
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on February 25th, 2017 @ 3:54am CST
Insurgent wrote:Screen accuracy is a big deal for the masterpiece line. If it was something like generations, I'd agree with you.
As for the cgi... Yeah i can understand how it looks dated. But for the second ever show to ever be made from cgi, when it was in it's infancy, it was groundbreaking at the time.
I know it was early CGI but even then it just looked horrendous to me and really off-putting. Amazes me that even now you get CGI cartoons that just lack a sense of 'life' to them in their environments (I tried watching Beware the Batman and Gotham felt so empty and hollow... not a city at all but just cheap looking backdrops). Even now I still far prefer 2D animation over 3D. I'd take the classic era Disney over Pixar anyday.
Posted by Ironhidensh on February 25th, 2017 @ 1:31pm CST
Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on February 25th, 2017 @ 1:40pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:That's just the Japanese toy's box art, not the cartoon model.SillySpringer wrote:Sabrblade wrote:More like Cheetor cosplaying Tigatron. The limbs are too lanky and scrawny and the beast head's shaped all wrong. Tigatron's buffer that Cheetor.SillySpringer wrote:Doesn't the Tigatron here look amazing?
Same construction in robot mode in Beast Wars pretty much. It's the bigger head that puts the scale off.
pic
Looks good to me. Just needs retooling on the beast parts and robot head.
The original toys were straight redecos of each other, but Mainframe modified Tigatron's CG model to better distinguish him from Cheetor.
Compare:Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, Tigatron's cartoon model was bigger than Cheetor's, and his beast mode was shaped differently.
Tigatron's beast mode has more overall mass to it. A larger head, thicker legs, a more rounded back and belly; about the only thing his and Cheetor's MPs could share is transformation engineering. The rest of Tigatron would need to be a larger mold.
I get the beast mode, and I already knew that. Robot mode looks pretty dang close to me though, and if anything he looks less bulky because of the larger head.
Like I said, I think they have the capability to change the beast mode parts pretty well and still keep a similar robot mode look. I like to give Takara a good creative chance.
Also I'd prefer Tigatron to not be too big actually because I would want him to fit relatively well with some CHUG figures. His size is hard enough to fit now. I also wouldn't really care to get Tigatron either unless there's an Airazor toy that's decently scaled enough to fit with him.
Posted by wilcosu35 on February 25th, 2017 @ 2:22pm CST
Ironhidensh wrote:If plastic tires on their masterpiece cars don't bother Takara, then and undersized Tigatron won't bother them either.
I wouldn't bet too heavily on that. Plastic tires instead of rubber isn't of the same significance as having figures in correct scale with eachother, and that is one of the strongpoints of the modern Masterpiece line. Tigatron was a lot taller than Cheetor in the cartoon, and i don't see Takara ignoring that size difference, not when they place emphasis on correct scale. I think that if we do get a Tigatron, he will be the same kind of transformation, except larger in size.
Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on February 25th, 2017 @ 2:24pm CST
wilcosu35 wrote:Ironhidensh wrote:If plastic tires on their masterpiece cars don't bother Takara, then and undersized Tigatron won't bother them either.
I wouldn't bet too heavily on that. Plastic tires instead of rubber isn't of the same significance as having figures in correct scale with eachother, and that is one of the strongpoints of the modern Masterpiece line. Tigatron was a lot taller than Cheetor in the cartoon, and i don't see Takara ignoring that size difference, not when they place emphasis on correct scale. I think that if we do get a Tigatron, he will be the same kind of transformation, except larger in size.
Either that or they make the legs longer or something. Idunno.
Posted by Ironhidensh on February 25th, 2017 @ 2:26pm CST
Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on February 25th, 2017 @ 2:31pm CST
Ironhidensh wrote:I'll believe it when I see it.
Me too. I just don't see them using the same design of the robot mode but upscaling it slightly where they'd need to use completely different parts on the whole thing and waste all that recolor potential. I personally don't remember Tigatron being much larger than Cheetor in the cartoon if at all, and making a whole new thing just to make him slightly taller just seems like a waste to me IMHO.
...and making the legs slightly longer would only make him taller. He would look even thinner than Cheetor then, and that's not accurate visually at all.
Edit: They also could work around it by releasing a toy-accurate Cheetor and then a toy-accurate Tigatron with new beast parts and just call them an homage to the toy redos, and just skip the cartoon version.
Posted by wilcosu35 on February 25th, 2017 @ 2:41pm CST
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Posted by william-james88 on February 25th, 2017 @ 2:56pm CST
Ironhidensh wrote:I'll believe it when I see it.
Me too. While I dont think it will be a straight up redeco, I do feel this will be an inferno/grappel scenario. Where the robot mode is very similar but the alt mode has lots of different parts to change the type of vehicle it is. Tigertron will most likely be a reshell, at leas thats what I believe.
Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on February 25th, 2017 @ 3:04pm CST
wilcosu35 wrote:I direct your attention to page 3 of this thread, Sabrblade's second post on the page shows some significant size difference between Tigatron and Cheetor, the latter roughly coming up to the former's chest
transformers-masterpiece-beast-wars-cheetor-discussion-t106911s50.php
Actually, now that I look at that image, you see Tigatron's upper body doesn't look much larger. Just his head and legs looks much bigger.
Edit: And like I said before, the legs would be easy to do new parts for because they are also the legs in alt mode, and would need to be changed anyway. So, yay! It's easier than I thought!
Posted by Ironhidensh on February 25th, 2017 @ 3:31pm CST
wilcosu35 wrote:I direct your attention to page 3 of this thread, Sabrblade's second post on the page shows some significant size difference between Tigatron and Cheetor, the latter roughly coming up to the former's chest
transformers-masterpiece-beast-wars-cheetor-discussion-t106911s50.php
I also direct your attention to the toys, which I have sitting in front of me right now (I dug them out of Tupperware to make sure), that were straight up repaints of each other. I stress, repaints. Every single part is identical. Not one single deviation, other than paint.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on February 25th, 2017 @ 6:35pm CST
Ironhidensh wrote:wilcosu35 wrote:I direct your attention to page 3 of this thread, Sabrblade's second post on the page shows some significant size difference between Tigatron and Cheetor, the latter roughly coming up to the former's chest
transformers-masterpiece-beast-wars-cheetor-discussion-t106911s50.php
I also direct your attention to the toys, which I have sitting in front of me right now (I dug them out of Tupperware to make sure), that were straight up repaints of each other. I stress, repaints. Every single part is identical. Not one single deviation, other than paint.
The point is that the media depictions, mostly the cartoons, are taken as the primary base for Masterpiece, not the original toys. Case in point: Lambor with Alert and the Datsun/Fairlady Z trio. The original toys were retools, and only with the outer car shells. The cartoons however gave more differences in robot mode, which were translated into the Masterpiece toys we have now. Toy features do get nods, as Ironhide as shown.
How will that affect a possible Tigatron? Parts will be switched out to make the cheetah into a tiger as per usual. Normally that would do it, but his mean size in the cartoon poses a bit of a problem, but I suspect TakaraTomy has taken that into account: by making the parts switched out slightly larger in places (hardly noticeable even), the sum of the differences could make up the difference in height, tho the result may not be perfect.
Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on February 25th, 2017 @ 6:46pm CST
Posted by Ironhidensh on February 25th, 2017 @ 6:57pm CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Ironhidensh wrote:wilcosu35 wrote:I direct your attention to page 3 of this thread, Sabrblade's second post on the page shows some significant size difference between Tigatron and Cheetor, the latter roughly coming up to the former's chest
transformers-masterpiece-beast-wars-cheetor-discussion-t106911s50.php
I also direct your attention to the toys, which I have sitting in front of me right now (I dug them out of Tupperware to make sure), that were straight up repaints of each other. I stress, repaints. Every single part is identical. Not one single deviation, other than paint.
The point is that the media depictions, mostly the cartoons, are taken as the primary base for Masterpiece, not the original toys. Case in point: Lambor with Alert and the Datsun/Fairlady Z trio. The original toys were retools, and only with the outer car shells. The cartoons however gave more differences in robot mode, which were translated into the Masterpiece toys we have now. Toy features do get nods, as Ironhide as shown.
How will that affect a possible Tigatron? Parts will be switched out to make the cheetah into a tiger as per usual. Normally that would do it, but his mean size in the cartoon poses a bit of a problem, but I suspect TakaraTomy has taken that into account: by making the parts switched out slightly larger in places (hardly noticeable even), the sum of the differences could make up the difference in height, tho the result may not be perfect.
I think you have too much faith. I have no doubt some parts will change to look more like a tiger, but mark my words, the sizes will be the exact same.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on February 25th, 2017 @ 7:03pm CST
Ironhidensh wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Ironhidensh wrote:wilcosu35 wrote:I direct your attention to page 3 of this thread, Sabrblade's second post on the page shows some significant size difference between Tigatron and Cheetor, the latter roughly coming up to the former's chest
transformers-masterpiece-beast-wars-cheetor-discussion-t106911s50.php
I also direct your attention to the toys, which I have sitting in front of me right now (I dug them out of Tupperware to make sure), that were straight up repaints of each other. I stress, repaints. Every single part is identical. Not one single deviation, other than paint.
The point is that the media depictions, mostly the cartoons, are taken as the primary base for Masterpiece, not the original toys. Case in point: Lambor with Alert and the Datsun/Fairlady Z trio. The original toys were retools, and only with the outer car shells. The cartoons however gave more differences in robot mode, which were translated into the Masterpiece toys we have now. Toy features do get nods, as Ironhide as shown.
How will that affect a possible Tigatron? Parts will be switched out to make the cheetah into a tiger as per usual. Normally that would do it, but his mean size in the cartoon poses a bit of a problem, but I suspect TakaraTomy has taken that into account: by making the parts switched out slightly larger in places (hardly noticeable even), the sum of the differences could make up the difference in height, tho the result may not be perfect.
I think you have too much faith. I have no doubt some parts will change to look more like a tiger, but mark my words, the sizes will be the exact same.
Don't underestimate the power of the Schwartz!
And we're not saying it will happen, instead we're saying it may happen.
Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on February 25th, 2017 @ 7:22pm CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Ironhidensh wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Ironhidensh wrote:wilcosu35 wrote:I direct your attention to page 3 of this thread, Sabrblade's second post on the page shows some significant size difference between Tigatron and Cheetor, the latter roughly coming up to the former's chest
transformers-masterpiece-beast-wars-cheetor-discussion-t106911s50.php
I also direct your attention to the toys, which I have sitting in front of me right now (I dug them out of Tupperware to make sure), that were straight up repaints of each other. I stress, repaints. Every single part is identical. Not one single deviation, other than paint.
The point is that the media depictions, mostly the cartoons, are taken as the primary base for Masterpiece, not the original toys. Case in point: Lambor with Alert and the Datsun/Fairlady Z trio. The original toys were retools, and only with the outer car shells. The cartoons however gave more differences in robot mode, which were translated into the Masterpiece toys we have now. Toy features do get nods, as Ironhide as shown.
How will that affect a possible Tigatron? Parts will be switched out to make the cheetah into a tiger as per usual. Normally that would do it, but his mean size in the cartoon poses a bit of a problem, but I suspect TakaraTomy has taken that into account: by making the parts switched out slightly larger in places (hardly noticeable even), the sum of the differences could make up the difference in height, tho the result may not be perfect.
I think you have too much faith. I have no doubt some parts will change to look more like a tiger, but mark my words, the sizes will be the exact same.
Don't underestimate the power of the Schwartz!
And we're not saying it will happen, instead we're saying it may happen.
And also, I think it's wrong to say it will NOT happen, because you are playing roulette with a company that's known for their innovation and modifying of figures we never imagined them even ATTEMPTING to modify. (Case in point: Takara's Legends Super Ginrai. Remember that toy? They HEAVILY modified the Hasbro version's legs to make him taller, AND added the ability to combine with another little thing called Godbomber. It would've been EASY to just recolor him in a more accurate deco, but NOPE. They went all the way.) Takara Tomy is known for being quality and accuracy over quantity and simplicity of alternate character reformatting. ESPECIALLY in the Masterpiece line. So if they make a Tigatron, and they make it cartoon accurate, I'm betting they'll put in a little extra effort into it and AT LEAST make the legs longer in robot mode.
Also another point: If I recall correctly, the original Tigatron toy design was determined BEFORE his appearance in the cartoon. That means the animators took the toy design and modified him to be larger. So that means it wasn't the toy designers being lazy, but the animators being too creative with the design.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on February 25th, 2017 @ 7:29pm CST
Posted by Ironhidensh on February 25th, 2017 @ 8:10pm CST
International shipping is fun. My Cheetor left Japan at 9:44pm today (tonight, 36 minutes from now local time), arrived in Alaska at 10:33 this morning, was released from customs at 12:44pm, and left Alaska at 4:16pm.... 5 hours and 38 minutes before it even left Japan! I wish my kids were older so I could make them think I knew a time lord.
Posted by Sabrblade on February 25th, 2017 @ 9:31pm CST
Indeed. Modern audiences are spoiled by the CGI of today.Insurgent wrote:As for the cgi... Yeah i can understand how it looks dated. But for the second ever show to ever be made from cgi, when it was in it's infancy, it was groundbreaking at the time.
2D over 3D preferences I understand, but the notion about "lifeless environments" kinda misses the point of having Beast Wars (and Beast Machines, for that matter) set within the circumstantial setting it was placed in. An undeveloped, prehistoric planet almost completely devoid of human life is supposed to feel empty and lifeless. Whereas, making the same argument for something like TF: Prime would feel more justified since that show did go out of its way to put the Autobot/Decepticon mission scenes in pretty much only the most remote, uninhabited sections of the planet, deliberately avoiding populated areas as much as possible... except for when it needed to place the action within populated towns and cities that more often than not looked almost completely abandoned (even New York City!). I think there were only two episodes in the entire series where we actually saw a crowd of civilians in Jasper. But I digress. Beast Wars's world, however, was supposed to be empty. Even Beast Wars Second was set on a humanless world and it was in 2D.Carnivius_Prime wrote:I know it was early CGI but even then it just looked horrendous to me and really off-putting. Amazes me that even now you get CGI cartoons that just lack a sense of 'life' to them in their environments (I tried watching Beware the Batman and Gotham felt so empty and hollow... not a city at all but just cheap looking backdrops). Even now I still far prefer 2D animation over 3D. I'd take the classic era Disney over Pixar anyday.
Posted by Va'al on February 26th, 2017 @ 8:38am CST
Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on February 26th, 2017 @ 3:05pm CST
Posted by william-james88 on February 26th, 2017 @ 3:51pm CST
SillySpringer wrote:Why's Optimus Prime on the packaging?
He is on all the packaging of these minifigures.
Posted by Sigma Magnus on February 26th, 2017 @ 3:53pm CST
SillySpringer wrote:Why's Optimus Prime on the packaging?
Because...that's just Prime.
Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on February 27th, 2017 @ 12:04pm CST
Sigma Magnus wrote:SillySpringer wrote:Why's Optimus Prime on the packaging?
Because...that's just Prime.
Posted by Bumblebee21 on February 27th, 2017 @ 2:39pm CST
Sigma Magnus wrote:SillySpringer wrote:Why's Optimus Prime on the packaging?
Because...that's just Prime.
because prime is prime and primes a prime
Posted by Ironhidensh on February 27th, 2017 @ 4:08pm CST
Posted by WreckerJack on February 27th, 2017 @ 11:02pm CST
Posted by dragons on February 28th, 2017 @ 9:30am CST
Not fan of beast wars figures like to see Takara make megatron master piece figure
Posted by Ironhidensh on February 28th, 2017 @ 11:14am CST
Posted by Kurona on February 28th, 2017 @ 11:44am CST
Posted by Mykltron on February 28th, 2017 @ 1:57pm CST
Posted by Ironhidensh on February 28th, 2017 @ 4:03pm CST
Kurona wrote:Just a little warning to be careful with him.
I've changed him a couple times now, I'm calling serious ham fisting here.
Posted by LOST Cybertronian on February 28th, 2017 @ 5:09pm CST
Posted by william-james88 on March 1st, 2017 @ 10:47am CST
Posted by Sigma Magnus on March 1st, 2017 @ 11:11am CST
william-james88 wrote:This was probably metioned but I just realized that the eye are NOT articulated. Instead, you have different pair of eyes to combine wit the different head expressions
...that's kinda morbid.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on March 1st, 2017 @ 3:16pm CST
Sigma Magnus wrote:william-james88 wrote:This was probably metioned but I just realized that the eye are NOT articulated. Instead, you have different pair of eyes to combine wit the different head expressions
...that's kinda morbid.
Oogly eyes and face masks suited for animatronics. Yep, I'm scarred for life now.
Posted by Diem on March 8th, 2017 @ 5:17pm CST
Posted by SureShot18 on March 8th, 2017 @ 5:28pm CST