Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help!

Monday, August 26th, 2019 11:16PM CDT

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That's right fellow Seibertronians after starting the day with a strange glitch that saw the counter dip down to about 1,500 backers (supporters, orders, Unicrons) Haslab Transformers Unicron is ending the day swinging coming in at a combined number of 4,782 backers! The turquois titan is still in the fight but he can't come into full being without your support! We're in his corner and we need to pull for him. There's only five days left to go!

For Fanformers old and new Unicron is the end of all storylines. In many cases he plays a big role in the beginning of them too. All roads in our fandom inevitably lead to conflict with this character because he is thee omega, the end all be all for our favorite heroes and villains to finally come together and defeat what they alone could not manage or muster separately. He has always provided the darkest hour for us to shine our brightest.

And now, like all conflicts against Unicron, we must band together and fight FOR UNICRON! Know an old friend who might like this? Ask them about Unicron! Have a co-worker claim they're the ultimate Transformer fan? This is the item for them! Let anyone who you know that loves Transformers know about the opportunity to support this project.

You can support Unicron by heading to Haslab right Here!

Below we're re-posting the questions that were recently answered by Haslab about the Unicron project. This open invite was posted to Instagram last week with fans chiming in with their questions about the Chaos Bringer. Our own editor William-James sorted through and wrote them out for you to read:

"Hasbro has just posted a video where the brand team answers questions that were asked regarding their big Unicron. As of right now there are 2,945 backers through pulse but this does not include orders from other channels yet. 8,000 orders are needed for this toy to be produced. Here is a breakdown of what we learn, of course please watch the video to see exactly what was said.

There is currently no intention on extending the deadline.

There are no lights and sounds, conversion was the most important part.

While what we have seen so far is a prototype, it is the best representation of the colour the final toy will have.

The project started over a year and a half ago.

He has six joints in each of the hands with a total of 50 articulation points.

The bot alone is 19 pounds.

He has both 5mm and 3mm ports for integration with the Siege line (and anything else that fits those measures).

You can watch the video here."

Here's Unicron's product listing from Haslab:

“The Lord of Chaos. The Planet Eater. The Chaos Bringer. Unicron stands alone as the most menacing figure in Transformers lore, capable of devouring entire worlds and civilizations. He debuted in the 1986 film Transformers: The Movie and his insatiable appetite nearly brought the entire universe to its knees.
But his legacy transcends both space and time.
“I have summoned you here for a purpose.” - Unicron
Transformers fans may be mere humans, inhabiting a miniscule planet hardly worth consuming, but they are some of the most passionate fans out there. That’s why HASLAB, the Hasbro Pulse crowdsourcing platform, is the place to awaken such a massive project.
Introducing the first ever Transformers HASLAB project: Transformers War For Cybertron Unicron.
“Then it pleases me to be the first.” - Unicron
Join us in a historic opportunity to celebrate the legendary Unicron with a figure whose features, detail, and scale are worthy of his gigantic legacy.
This campaign will move into production when it reaches its minimum goal of 8,000 backers. All support must be received by 11:59 PM EST on August 31, 2019. If the campaign is successful your payment method will be charged on August 31, 2019. Orders are estimated to ship in early 2021.
*Limit of 5 per transaction.”

And here's all the videos Hasbro/Haslab has posted on the project so far. Here you can find videos of the Transformation, the features, and that adorable freaky little noggin that pops right off those spiky shoulders. Enjoy!

Removable Head Feature:

Full Conversion from planet to robot:

Planet mode breakdown:

Robot mode features:

Unicron Conversion video with designer Kunihiro appropriately dressed for the auspicious occasion:

Share your thoughts on Unicron in the forum and make sure to stay tuned to Seibertron for the ultimate in Transformers news!

Boo!

Credit(s): Haslab

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Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2035963)
Posted by megatronus on August 26th, 2019 @ 11:55pm CDT

We're at 4801 as of this post, and counting! Over 60% there!

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2035970)
Posted by Regimus Prime on August 27th, 2019 @ 2:47am CDT

4,812 and counting. I’ve backed this dream. I so want this to happen.

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2035972)
Posted by Lord_Unicron on August 27th, 2019 @ 3:03am CDT

Took me a while to figure out how to back this guy, WHICH I AM NOW.

Gonna cost me a fortune for having it shipped to Europe (the Neterlands). But gonna be worth it.

Let's hope it gets backup.

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2035973)
Posted by Triggerdick Megatron on August 27th, 2019 @ 4:07am CDT

Should I get one? Hmmm... No I won't...

*Five days later...*

Hasbro: Time's up! The total number of Unicrons ordered is... 7,999... I'm sorry but we are not going to take this to production.

Me: I feel like this is partly my fault...

Seriously, I am giving all my moral support. I want this to succeed!

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2035975)
Posted by Coptur on August 27th, 2019 @ 4:52am CDT

after a lot of ummming and arrring i have gone via the tf-express route and put my deposit down for a Unicron. I must be insane :BOOM:

.

4814 as of my post.

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2035981)
Posted by william-james88 on August 27th, 2019 @ 8:22am CDT

Just a few more days to reach the 8,000 campaign goal for Hasbro's Unicron.

Hasbro is introducing more movie accuracy to the Bringer of Chaos. Just revealed, the legendary Unicron will come with interchangeable chins, allowing fans to switch back and forth between a smooth chin and a goatee-style chin, just like in the 1986 Transformers The Movie. Now, the infamous Planet Eater is ready for any scene!

The colossal Unicron will also come with a Galvatron slug figure so fans can pose out epic movie scenes with the two villains. The Galvatron figure is a slug that stands 3.75 cm (1.5 inches) tall, ready for battle with his iconic blaster and just the right size to fit in Unicron’s hand as seen in the 1986 film.

You can see the images below and you can click them or here to order Unicron on Hasbro Pulse.

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2035982)
Posted by Sabrblade on August 27th, 2019 @ 8:27am CDT

Man, they would make that Galvatron look like the TR one.

Also, YES!!!! BEEEEEEEEEEEEEARD!!!!!!!!!!! :KREMZEEK:

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2035984)
Posted by blackeyedprime on August 27th, 2019 @ 8:31am CDT

I'm still not willing to use an unsecure website like TFExpress, next best bet is toypanic.com £483 but will have p&P at unknown costs from malaysia and likely customs.

The Galvatrons neat but it just shows how badly unicron scales with anything even in the movie (compared to the size of a spaceship crashing through his eye)

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2035986)
Posted by cruizerdave on August 27th, 2019 @ 8:44am CDT

Yet we still don't have a masterpiece version of Galvy.

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2035987)
Posted by Sabrblade on August 27th, 2019 @ 8:48am CDT

cruizerdave wrote:Yet we still don't have a masterpiece version of Galvy.

What does that have to do with any of this?

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2035988)
Posted by megatronus on August 27th, 2019 @ 8:58am CDT

Sabrblade wrote:
cruizerdave wrote:Yet we still don't have a masterpiece version of Galvy.
What does that have to do with any of this?

My thoughts exactly. >:oP

I wish this was a more movie accurate piece. I wonder if they just printed the easiest-to-find model they had, i.e. TR Galvatron, but plan to provide a more G1 inspired one with the final product...

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2035990)
Posted by blackeyedprime on August 27th, 2019 @ 9:18am CDT

cruizerdave wrote:Yet we still don't have a masterpiece version of Galvy.

Yet two reasonable third party ones to choose from, unlike Unicron (yet...)

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2035991)
Posted by Lore Keeper on August 27th, 2019 @ 9:19am CDT

I wasn't really hung up on the lack of a beard when they first revealed Unicron. But seeing him with it now, he looks so much better! This just pushed me much closer to taking the plunge!

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2035995)
Posted by Mindmaster on August 27th, 2019 @ 9:38am CDT

Christ, now they do the goatee. They should’ve revealed everything from the get-go instead of trickling it out as the days go by. See now I’m on board, but dammit I can’t afford it in four days. The Army only pays me so much

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2035996)
Posted by Sabrblade on August 27th, 2019 @ 9:47am CDT

Mindmaster wrote:Christ, now they do the goatee. They should’ve revealed everything from the get-go instead of trickling it out as the days go by. See now I’m on board, but dammit I can’t afford it in four days. The Army only pays me so much

Go for one of the other options that lets you instead save up until 2021, with only a $150 down payment instead of $600.

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2035997)
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on August 27th, 2019 @ 9:47am CDT

Yesssssssssssssss! I don't know why that wasn't the default chin. Maybe they whipped it up to drum up more support? Regardless I'm really happy they made it.

Seeing that Galvy makes me wish they had made him during the days when World's Smallest Transformers were a thing. But it's not the first time I wished for that,

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2035998)
Posted by megatronus on August 27th, 2019 @ 9:50am CDT

Looking at Galvatron again, I'm pretty sure he's too big. 1 inch is probably still too big, but I'd prefer that.

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2035999)
Posted by Sabrblade on August 27th, 2019 @ 9:54am CDT

megatronus wrote:Looking at Galvatron again, I'm pretty sure he's too big. 1 inch is probably still too big, but I'd prefer that.

Eh, the scene with him getting swallowed by Unicron had him out of scale anyway. They made him too big so that he could be more visible onscreen, so this toy being too big reflects that. Otherwise, this mini-Galvatron would have to be smaller than an ant to be correct-scaled.

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2036001)
Posted by megatronus on August 27th, 2019 @ 9:58am CDT

Sabrblade wrote:
megatronus wrote:Looking at Galvatron again, I'm pretty sure he's too big. 1 inch is probably still too big, but I'd prefer that.
Eh, the scene with him getting swallowed by Unicron had him out of scale anyway. They made him too big so that he could be more visible onscreen, so this toy being too big reflects that. Otherwise, this mini-Galvatron would have to be smaller than an ant to be correct-scaled.

Well yea, but even at an inch he's way out of scale. Unless the figure was at maximum half a centimeter the scaling wouldn't work. But I'd like to get slightly closer to the ideal.

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2036002)
Posted by BERSEKAEL on August 27th, 2019 @ 10:14am CDT

if they make that galvatron a "Legion class" I will pre-order

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2036003)
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on August 27th, 2019 @ 10:21am CDT

I know it's sacrilege and all, but there is a 3rd party Legends sized Galvatron if you must have a small Galvatron to go with your massive Unicron. He's a bit too big for this scene, I think, but he exists.

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2036007)
Posted by sol magnus on August 27th, 2019 @ 10:32am CDT

Galvatron was even smaller than that in the movie, not that I'm quibbling. I just don't have 400 smackers to get this thing.

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2036009)
Posted by Sabrblade on August 27th, 2019 @ 11:11am CDT

sol magnus wrote:Galvatron was even smaller than that in the movie, not that I'm quibbling. I just don't have 400 smackers to get this thing.

Like I said before, Galvatron was already out of scale in the movie scene where he gets swallowed by Unicron. For this mini-Galvatron to be correctly-scaled, it'd have to be smaller than an ant.

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2036010)
Posted by sol magnus on August 27th, 2019 @ 11:14am CDT

Sabrblade wrote:
sol magnus wrote:Galvatron was even smaller than that in the movie, not that I'm quibbling. I just don't have 400 smackers to get this thing.
Like I said before, Galvatron was already out of scale in the movie scene where he gets swallowed by Unicron. For this mini-Galvatron to be correctly-scaled, it'd have to be smaller than an ant.

Yeah...I responded to the post on the main page, only to find the discussion had been going on for quite a few posts.

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2036011)
Posted by joevill on August 27th, 2019 @ 11:43am CDT

NOM NOM NOM!!

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2036012)
Posted by o.supreme on August 27th, 2019 @ 11:44am CDT

yeah scale cant really be achieved with Unicron because he is so massive. The closest would be to take a Titan Master and place it on his surface and *pretend* it was Metroplex or Fort Max, but even that wouldn't be quite right.

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2036015)
Posted by megatronus on August 27th, 2019 @ 11:54am CDT

joevill wrote:NOM NOM NOM!!

Last week reveal: Unicron comes with the blue plush costume they fabricated for Cookie Monster! :lol:

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2036018)
Posted by Coptur on August 27th, 2019 @ 12:03pm CDT

blackeyedprime wrote:I'm still not willing to use an unsecure website like TFExpress, next best bet is toypanic.com £483 but will have p&P at unknown costs from malaysia and likely customs.

The Galvatrons neat but it just shows how badly unicron scales with anything even in the movie (compared to the size of a spaceship crashing through his eye)

Yeah I hear you that's why I used PayPal to get some protection.

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2036019)
Posted by Rodimus Knight on August 27th, 2019 @ 12:07pm CDT

What I want, is a removable eye piece that can be replaced with one that has the Quintison ship going into it.

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2036021)
Posted by gothsaurus on August 27th, 2019 @ 12:26pm CDT

Honestly, I think this covers most of my issues with the figure AND the various looks/scenes I'd want to achieve. Chin, face swap, eye damage, etc. They've nailed it.

If there are any other reveals, I hope they may have to do with inside functionality.

I'd love it if there were an area you could reveal an area with moving pistons and pipes (when he is energized from eating a planet) — OR especially the inside command center with all the TV screens.

It seems like — since the toy has to be hollow — that they could spend some effort to detail and exploit some hollow areas to give a not to those scenes (and jump start our imaginations.)

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2036022)
Posted by o.supreme on August 27th, 2019 @ 12:29pm CDT

Acid Pit!
Acid Pit!
Acid Pit!

:lol:

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2036031)
Posted by Anonymous on August 27th, 2019 @ 1:23pm CDT

that Galvatron is bad comedy

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2036034)
Posted by gothsaurus on August 27th, 2019 @ 1:39pm CDT

Since there is a like a year to release, I'm guessing this Galvatron is just a placeholder.

I also thought of the acid pit, but I think it would be third on my list under the other two interior gimmicks I mentioned.

(Mostly, because it would be impossible to scale any figures to drop into the acid. It's not like you could pull out your G1 /WST Bee or Cliffjumper to put in the acid. Too big.

The other two gimmicks — brain, pistons — would look great and function without extra figures.)

Mind you I DO still want it... just as third on my list. ;-)

Maybe they can work to represent all three, since much of it would simply be molded in the recesses of the figure. (There seriously has to be some monstrous cavities inside that guy's torso, stomach, back, legs — so who knows.)

Thinking about this, I guess I'd shoot for back of head or upper torso for brain cavity, and stomach area for pistons and/or acid pit to represent digestion? I'll have to look at the photos closely and think on this...

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2036035)
Posted by griftimus prime on August 27th, 2019 @ 1:41pm CDT

not even close

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2036036)
Posted by megatronus on August 27th, 2019 @ 1:44pm CDT

gothsaurus wrote:Thinking about this, I guess I'd shoot for back of head or upper torso for brain cavity, and stomach area for pistons and/or acid pit to represent digestion? I'll have to look at the photos closely and think on this...

Given the head already has the swappable face gimmicks, as well as the articulated eyes, I wouldn't count on them being able to pack anything else in there. I could be wrong, though.

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2036038)
Posted by gothsaurus on August 27th, 2019 @ 1:46pm CDT

What's not even close? ... the acid pit? My ideas? The number of backers out of 8000?

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2036039)
Posted by griftimus prime on August 27th, 2019 @ 1:48pm CDT

gothsaurus wrote:What's not even close? ... the acid pit? My ideas? The number of backers out of 8000?

backers

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2036041)
Posted by gothsaurus on August 27th, 2019 @ 1:55pm CDT

Yeah, I'm hoping they have a backup plan... extend the deadline or push it back a few months with a big heads-up that they are re-doing it. Or simply fudge it if they are really close... like 7000+.

Or maybe Hasbro could swoop in to chip in some of the dough? Who knows, but I still have a little hope. There are a lot more people jumping in in the past week than before. Crossing my fingers.

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2036042)
Posted by megatronus on August 27th, 2019 @ 2:08pm CDT

gothsaurus wrote:Yeah, I'm hoping they have a backup plan... extend the deadline or push it back a few months with a big heads-up that they are re-doing it. Or simply fudge it if they are really close... like 7000+.

Or maybe Hasbro could swoop in to chip in some of the dough? Who knows, but I still have a little hope. There are a lot more people jumping in in the past week than before. Crossing my fingers.

Remember: they added 1500 in affiliate orders, but it was unclear whether that included TakaraTomy Mall, US retailers, or both. In any case, it appears there's still a large chunk of international orders that have not yet been counted, and the inevitable last day spike.

I'm very hopeful.

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2036043)
Posted by ZeroWolf on August 27th, 2019 @ 2:11pm CDT

I think there's still some to be added from the third party sites that aren't affiliated with hasbro.

I wouldn't hold out much hope for molded detail within unicron as all those bot pieces have to go somewhere and as such everything will be measured to fit, molded details may get in the way of Transformation mechanisms.

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2036046)
Posted by gothsaurus on August 27th, 2019 @ 2:16pm CDT

I'm more talking about the underside of the flat pieces — like the inside of Metroplex's legs. Those areas have to be there, and adding sculpting doesn't get in the way of transformation or add any more complexity to the figure, weight, etc.

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2036053)
Posted by Stargrave on August 27th, 2019 @ 2:50pm CDT

megatronus wrote:
gothsaurus wrote:Yeah, I'm hoping they have a backup plan... extend the deadline or push it back a few months with a big heads-up that they are re-doing it. Or simply fudge it if they are really close... like 7000+.

Or maybe Hasbro could swoop in to chip in some of the dough? Who knows, but I still have a little hope. There are a lot more people jumping in in the past week than before. Crossing my fingers.

Remember: they added 1500 in affiliate orders, but it was unclear whether that included TakaraTomy Mall, US retailers, or both. In any case, it appears there's still a large chunk of international orders that have not yet been counted, and the inevitable last day spike.

I'm very hopeful.

And you stay hopeful you positive sunvaglitch. ;)^

It’ll happen and it’ll be awesome. I’ve just got this feeling...

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2036062)
Posted by Emerje on August 27th, 2019 @ 4:04pm CDT

The way things are going we'll be at 5,000 within the next couple hours, currently at 4,965. Things are really moving at a steady pace. 3,000 worldwide in the next four days should be doable.

Emerje

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2036064)
Posted by ZeroWolf on August 27th, 2019 @ 4:14pm CDT

Out of curiousity how many stores have preorders?

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2036065)
Posted by Sabrblade on August 27th, 2019 @ 4:16pm CDT

As a heads up for anyone who preordered through TFSource back before they updated their policy to include a $150 down payment, I just got an email from them yesterday about my deposit being due by 8/30, so if you haven't gotten a notification from them yet, you should be getting one very soon.

I'm nearly all set to make the payment via PayPal, just waiting for my next paycheck notice before I do. And if TFSource's deadline is 8/30, then that must mean they're getting ready to submit all of their numbers to Hasbro on either 8/30 or 8/31.

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2036074)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on August 27th, 2019 @ 5:30pm CDT

Sabrblade wrote:As a heads up for anyone who preordered through TFSource back before they updated their policy to include a $150 down payment, I just got an email from them yesterday about my deposit being due by 8/30, so if you haven't gotten a notification from them yet, you should be getting one very soon.

I'm nearly all set to make the payment via PayPal, just waiting for my next paycheck notice before I do. And if TFSource's deadline is 8/30, then that must mean they're getting ready to submit all of their numbers to Hasbro on either 8/30 or 8/31.

Damn... I was really hoping i had gotten away with not paying.

and I won't be able to pay until Monday night anyway because I will be away.

Also, this from Twitter:

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2036077)
Posted by Crosscheck on August 27th, 2019 @ 5:34pm CDT

Why does Hasbro insist on making Unicron that sickly yellow orange when he has ALWAYS been a very saturated orange?

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2036080)
Posted by Ravage2031 on August 27th, 2019 @ 6:11pm CDT

Quick question about using TF Source. Will they charge the $150 if it hits 8000 or only if you happen to cancel?

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2036081)
Posted by megatronus on August 27th, 2019 @ 6:25pm CDT

Ravage2031 wrote:Quick question about using TF Source. Will they charge the $150 if it hits 8000 or only if you happen to cancel?

It’s a down payment; if it hits the funding goal and is confirmed moving to production, you’ll get charged.

Re: Haslab Transformers Unicron Passes Halfway Mark But Still Needs Your Help! (2036083)
Posted by Chriphord on August 27th, 2019 @ 6:28pm CDT

Ravage2031 wrote:Quick question about using TF Source. Will they charge the $150 if it hits 8000 or only if you happen to cancel?

So what they do is price the big U at $775 or whatever. When you preorder, the will charge your card $150. This counts towards that $775 that will be due in 2021. If Unicron fails, that is the only situation in which you will get that $150 down payment back. If the campaign succeeds, then you only owe TFSource $625 in 2021 when Unicron is released. If you decide you don’t want Unicron after, or can’t save up for it by 2021, even if you cancel, you WILL NOT get that $150 back (that’s the non-refundable part). Hope that helps

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