Bumblebee Movie Part of Goodbye Beetle Campaign from Volkswagen
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For those not in the know, 2019 will be the last year Volkswagen will be releasing the Beetle. Their ad campaign for this farewell features the Bumblebee movie. The ads have been found in a variety of places. You can see a quick video below as well as a french ad from Montreal, Canada.
Of course, this isn't the same Beetle Bee transforms into, the car they wll be retiring is actually the second attempt at remaking the classic Beetle for the mdoern era.
Also remember, the Bumblebee Movie comes out tomorrow in several markets. If you wish to discuss everything about it including spoilers, you can head over to the spoiler thread.
Of course, this isn't the same Beetle Bee transforms into, the car they wll be retiring is actually the second attempt at remaking the classic Beetle for the mdoern era.
Also remember, the Bumblebee Movie comes out tomorrow in several markets. If you wish to discuss everything about it including spoilers, you can head over to the spoiler thread.
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Re: Bumblebee Movie Part of Goodbye Beetle Campaign from Volkswagen (2000016)
Posted by Short Circuit on December 20th, 2018 @ 11:41am CST
Posted by Short Circuit on December 20th, 2018 @ 11:41am CST
It's kinda saddening that such an iconic car is going away. I quite like the new beetles and the golf its based on isn't that inspiring... 
Re: Bumblebee Movie Part of Goodbye Beetle Campaign from Volkswagen (2000106)
Posted by william-james88 on December 20th, 2018 @ 8:48pm CST
Posted by william-james88 on December 20th, 2018 @ 8:48pm CST
A big question regarding the Bumblebee movie was whether or not it was a reboot. We know the producer Lorenzo Di Bonventura said he would not call it that but now we have confirmation from the director, Travis Knight, that the Bumblebee movie is within the pre-established "Bayverse" continuity, whatever that may mean to you.
These were the exact words:
So there you have it folks, the Bumblebee movie may be a step in the right direction, or a breath of fresh air, but it is not a full on reboot, and it is still embedded within the universe Michael Bay helped bring to life (Michael Bay is still a producer on this film after all).
Of course, that is not all Travis Knight had to say in the featurette below from IGN. He talks a lot about his choice behind the design changes we see in the movie and the heavy emphasis on G1. There is a really fun tidbit about Soundwave's chest window too, enjoy!
These were the exact words:
We set the film 20 years prior to the events of the first film, but so-we still needed some degree of continuity there.
So there you have it folks, the Bumblebee movie may be a step in the right direction, or a breath of fresh air, but it is not a full on reboot, and it is still embedded within the universe Michael Bay helped bring to life (Michael Bay is still a producer on this film after all).
Of course, that is not all Travis Knight had to say in the featurette below from IGN. He talks a lot about his choice behind the design changes we see in the movie and the heavy emphasis on G1. There is a really fun tidbit about Soundwave's chest window too, enjoy!
Re: Bumblebee Movie Part of Goodbye Beetle Campaign from Volkswagen (2000108)
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on December 20th, 2018 @ 9:03pm CST
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on December 20th, 2018 @ 9:03pm CST
I really wish that they decided that Bumblebee would be a reboot... Would make the drastic shift in design easier to swallow... Now seeing that it's set in continuity, that makes me dislike the movie a bit because of things that occur in this movie that contradict previously established occurrences. It's still probably my favorite, but it's such a stark contrast that you'd think they'd ditch the Bay films. Especially cause it looked like they were setting it up to be the start of a new movie series at the end
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Posted by Deadput on December 20th, 2018 @ 9:05pm CST
Posted by Deadput on December 20th, 2018 @ 9:05pm CST
Well, you know that they could easily turn around and make this a reboot though right?
I don't think there is any doubt this film went into production as a prequel or anything and no doubt the film makers still have a lot of the thought process of this being a prequel.
But if they decided to keep this as a prequel after the box office results are in then this will be franchise suicide.
The Bay continuity cannot be salvaged anymore, Bumblebee is a great film on it's own but it is a horrible prequel that breaks a lot more continuity for the first film alone then it does tie to it.
For the good of the brand this cannot be allowed to be a prequel, at least Hasbro should know this, with all the excitement about people thinking Bee is a reboot Paramount should realize it would be very profitable to go clean slate and start anew.
You lose all tension when you have characters like Jazz or Shockwave in the next film when you know they cannot die in that film due to their role in Bay's films but you also prevent a deeper emotional connection to these characters because they get killed in Bay's films.
I don't think there is any doubt this film went into production as a prequel or anything and no doubt the film makers still have a lot of the thought process of this being a prequel.
But if they decided to keep this as a prequel after the box office results are in then this will be franchise suicide.
The Bay continuity cannot be salvaged anymore, Bumblebee is a great film on it's own but it is a horrible prequel that breaks a lot more continuity for the first film alone then it does tie to it.
For the good of the brand this cannot be allowed to be a prequel, at least Hasbro should know this, with all the excitement about people thinking Bee is a reboot Paramount should realize it would be very profitable to go clean slate and start anew.
You lose all tension when you have characters like Jazz or Shockwave in the next film when you know they cannot die in that film due to their role in Bay's films but you also prevent a deeper emotional connection to these characters because they get killed in Bay's films.
Re: Bumblebee Movie Part of Goodbye Beetle Campaign from Volkswagen (2000113)
Posted by Lore Keeper on December 20th, 2018 @ 9:19pm CST
Posted by Lore Keeper on December 20th, 2018 @ 9:19pm CST
This really is a shame. The Bumblebee movie on its own is a great movie, but it works as well as a prequel as The Last Knight works as a sequel. It is a continuity nightmare with the 2007 movie.
Re: Bumblebee Movie Part of Goodbye Beetle Campaign from Volkswagen (2000114)
Posted by Octobotimus on December 20th, 2018 @ 9:25pm CST
Posted by Octobotimus on December 20th, 2018 @ 9:25pm CST
considering everyone else working on the film, even hasbro execs, apparently want it to count as a reboot, seems more of a thing where bay is saying "plz say its connected travis, please !!!" i'll count it as confirmed if the next film isn't a reboot.
Re: Bumblebee Movie Part of Goodbye Beetle Campaign from Volkswagen (2000117)
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on December 20th, 2018 @ 9:26pm CST
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on December 20th, 2018 @ 9:26pm CST
XMen First Class was "prequel" in continuity with the other Xmen Movies. Then it was made part of a reboot sooooooo I'll wait and see how true this is in a year or two. 
Re: Bumblebee Movie Part of Goodbye Beetle Campaign from Volkswagen (2000118)
Posted by Fires_Of_Inferno on December 20th, 2018 @ 9:28pm CST
Posted by Fires_Of_Inferno on December 20th, 2018 @ 9:28pm CST
This... has completely turned me off to seeing it. I was seriously hopeful,I didn't even know bay was still attached to the film. We don't need any damn continuity with the previous movies, what the hell is he thinking.
uuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrgghh.
The movies themselves barely had any continuity with each other to begin with!
uuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrgghh.
The movies themselves barely had any continuity with each other to begin with!
Re: Bumblebee Movie Part of Goodbye Beetle Campaign from Volkswagen (2000119)
Posted by william-james88 on December 20th, 2018 @ 9:30pm CST
Posted by william-james88 on December 20th, 2018 @ 9:30pm CST
Both the Bumblebee movie music score and the soundtrack albums come out tomorrow in the US. We are told that the score is even available on iTunes right now (this may depend on your region). Below are the full track lists of each album where we can see that Stan Bush's the Touch is included as well (Good on you Stan!). We also have an interview with the Bumblebee music editor Mark Willsher to share with you. The interview is spoiler heavy, so you can click here to read it on Air Edel Music's web page.
The Score by Dario Marinelli includes the following tracks:
1. Cybertron Falls (1:53)
2. Bee on the Run (2:18)
3. Shutdown (3:45)
4. Charlie (3:07)
5. Meeting Bumblebee (4:07)
6. Dropkick & Shatter Arrive (1:38)
7. Chasing Mum (1:56)
8. Optimus Prime’s Message (2:05)
9. Desert Council (2:08)
10. Dad’s Old Videotapes (1:09)
11. Army Meeting (2:37)
12. A Diving Volunteer (1:32)
13. Pranking Tina (2:13)
14. Bee in the Kitchen (2:33)
15. Kitchen Chaos (1:45)
16. Double Ambush (2:21)
17. Charlie Sneaks Out (0:59)
18. Death and Resurrection (2:27)
19. Bee’s Had Enough (5:15)
20. Ron’s Driving (1:42)
21. Marina Tower (2:55)
22. Charlie Dives In (2:38)
23. Saying Goodbye (2:26)
24. Not Quite There (1:48)
The Soundtrack features the following songs:
1. Back to Life – Hailee Steinfeld (3:53)
2. Bigmouth Strikes Again – The Smiths (3:15)
3. Things Can Only Get Better – Howard Jones (3:56)
4. Runaway – Bon Jovi (3:52)
5. Save a Prayer – Duran Duran (3:46)
6. Higher Love – Steve Winwood (5:49)
7. Take On Me – a-ha (3:48)
8. Everybody Wants To Rule the World – Tears for Fears (4:12)
9. It Takes Two – Rob Base & DJ EZ Rock (5:01)
10. The Touch – Stan Bush (3:56)
11. I Can’t Wait – Nu Shooz (3:38)
12. I Can’t Drive 55 – Sammy Hagar (4:12)
13. Dance Hall Days – Wang Chung (4:00)
14. Girlfriend In a Coma – The Smiths (2:04)
15. Don’t You (Forget About Me) – Simple Minds (4:22)
16. Back to Life (80s Remix) [Bonus] – Hailee Steinfeld (3:13)
The Score by Dario Marinelli includes the following tracks:
1. Cybertron Falls (1:53)
2. Bee on the Run (2:18)
3. Shutdown (3:45)
4. Charlie (3:07)
5. Meeting Bumblebee (4:07)
6. Dropkick & Shatter Arrive (1:38)
7. Chasing Mum (1:56)
8. Optimus Prime’s Message (2:05)
9. Desert Council (2:08)
10. Dad’s Old Videotapes (1:09)
11. Army Meeting (2:37)
12. A Diving Volunteer (1:32)
13. Pranking Tina (2:13)
14. Bee in the Kitchen (2:33)
15. Kitchen Chaos (1:45)
16. Double Ambush (2:21)
17. Charlie Sneaks Out (0:59)
18. Death and Resurrection (2:27)
19. Bee’s Had Enough (5:15)
20. Ron’s Driving (1:42)
21. Marina Tower (2:55)
22. Charlie Dives In (2:38)
23. Saying Goodbye (2:26)
24. Not Quite There (1:48)
The Soundtrack features the following songs:
1. Back to Life – Hailee Steinfeld (3:53)
2. Bigmouth Strikes Again – The Smiths (3:15)
3. Things Can Only Get Better – Howard Jones (3:56)
4. Runaway – Bon Jovi (3:52)
5. Save a Prayer – Duran Duran (3:46)
6. Higher Love – Steve Winwood (5:49)
7. Take On Me – a-ha (3:48)
8. Everybody Wants To Rule the World – Tears for Fears (4:12)
9. It Takes Two – Rob Base & DJ EZ Rock (5:01)
10. The Touch – Stan Bush (3:56)
11. I Can’t Wait – Nu Shooz (3:38)
12. I Can’t Drive 55 – Sammy Hagar (4:12)
13. Dance Hall Days – Wang Chung (4:00)
14. Girlfriend In a Coma – The Smiths (2:04)
15. Don’t You (Forget About Me) – Simple Minds (4:22)
16. Back to Life (80s Remix) [Bonus] – Hailee Steinfeld (3:13)
Re: Bumblebee Movie Part of Goodbye Beetle Campaign from Volkswagen (2000121)
Posted by william-james88 on December 20th, 2018 @ 9:38pm CST
How the hell was first class turned into a reboot? The sequel was all about paralels with cast members from later years.
We've known this since July...2017
Posted by william-james88 on December 20th, 2018 @ 9:38pm CST
SW's SilverHammer wrote:XMen First Class was "prequel" in continuity with the other Xmen Movies. Then it was made part of a reboot sooooooo I'll wait and see how true this is in a year or two.
How the hell was first class turned into a reboot? The sequel was all about paralels with cast members from later years.
Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:,I didn't even know bay was still attached to the film.
We've known this since July...2017
Re: Bumblebee Movie Part of Goodbye Beetle Campaign from Volkswagen (2000122)
Posted by Fires_Of_Inferno on December 20th, 2018 @ 9:44pm CST
Posted by Fires_Of_Inferno on December 20th, 2018 @ 9:44pm CST
william-james88 wrote:SW's SilverHammer wrote:XMen First Class was "prequel" in continuity with the other Xmen Movies. Then it was made part of a reboot sooooooo I'll wait and see how true this is in a year or two.
How the hell was first class turned into a reboot? The sequel was all about paralels with cast members from later years.Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:,I didn't even know bay was still attached to the film.
We've known this since July...2017
Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:,I didn't even know bay was still attached to the film.
Re: Bumblebee Movie Part of Goodbye Beetle Campaign from Volkswagen (2000129)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on December 20th, 2018 @ 10:20pm CST
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on December 20th, 2018 @ 10:20pm CST
Having now seen the movie, I do wish they had gone or will eventually go for the reboot with it. Won't spoil anything here, but wish they went that route
Re: Bumblebee Movie Part of Goodbye Beetle Campaign from Volkswagen (2000135)
Posted by Lore Keeper on December 20th, 2018 @ 10:30pm CST
Don't let this little hiccup stop you from seeing the movie. It really is very good, prequel or not.
Posted by Lore Keeper on December 20th, 2018 @ 10:30pm CST
Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:This... has completely turned me off to seeing it. I was seriously hopeful,I didn't even know bay was still attached to the film. We don't need any damn continuity with the previous movies, what the hell is he thinking.
uuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrgghh.
The movies themselves barely had any continuity with each other to begin with!
Don't let this little hiccup stop you from seeing the movie. It really is very good, prequel or not.
Re: Bumblebee Movie Part of Goodbye Beetle Campaign from Volkswagen (2000138)
Posted by 1984forever on December 20th, 2018 @ 10:42pm CST
Posted by 1984forever on December 20th, 2018 @ 10:42pm CST
Literally just got back from the theater. Loved the G1 stuff (of course) but the Bayverse stuff felt different... like a lite version of what came before (same writer, different director?). It was cool to see John Cena’s dad in the movie. Oh, wait that WAS John Cena. He’s aged badly from the last time I saw him in ‘03. There was so much 80s stuff in Bumblebee that I actually felt like I was watching a movie in the theatre in 1987... too bad it was only 5 people in the theatre total. Aquaman had the biggest screen. I guess the theater I went to is banking on Aquaman being the big draw. Yet, there were no waiting lines for either movie, so I don’t expect either of them to do well. I remember going to see DOTM on a Thursday night and the theater was packed... every seat taken, even in the front row. Wow, times change.
Bumblebee is a good movie though.
Bumblebee is a good movie though.
Re: Bumblebee Movie Part of Goodbye Beetle Campaign from Volkswagen (2000143)
Posted by Starscream on December 20th, 2018 @ 10:58pm CST
Posted by Starscream on December 20th, 2018 @ 10:58pm CST
This just in from the NO-SHIT Department!
Re: Bumblebee Movie Part of Goodbye Beetle Campaign from Volkswagen (2000145)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 20th, 2018 @ 11:13pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on December 20th, 2018 @ 11:13pm CST
Got my ticket to finally see the movie first thing in the morning.
As for this whole prequel vs. reboot issue, y'all are killing me here. The movie being an in-continuity prequel was likely a mandate from on high, pre-established long before Travis Knight was even brought aboard. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that it was even one of the very first things about this movie that were conceived from the get-go. I sincerely doubt that the genesis idea for this movie was "Let's make a spinoff movie about Bumblebee set in the 1980s that has absolutely nothing to do with the other movies" rather than the much more likely idea of "Let's make a spinoff movie about Bumblebee set in the past as a prequel to the other movies."
Now, whether or not the movie actually succeeds or fails at being a continuity-adhering prequel to the other films isn't something I can discuss one way or the other, since I still haven't seen the movie yet. But all I am trying to say is that we shouldn't go pointing fingers at Travis Knight when this movie being a prequel likely wasn't his decision in the first place and was instead likely decided for him beforehand.
As for this whole prequel vs. reboot issue, y'all are killing me here. The movie being an in-continuity prequel was likely a mandate from on high, pre-established long before Travis Knight was even brought aboard. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that it was even one of the very first things about this movie that were conceived from the get-go. I sincerely doubt that the genesis idea for this movie was "Let's make a spinoff movie about Bumblebee set in the 1980s that has absolutely nothing to do with the other movies" rather than the much more likely idea of "Let's make a spinoff movie about Bumblebee set in the past as a prequel to the other movies."
Now, whether or not the movie actually succeeds or fails at being a continuity-adhering prequel to the other films isn't something I can discuss one way or the other, since I still haven't seen the movie yet. But all I am trying to say is that we shouldn't go pointing fingers at Travis Knight when this movie being a prequel likely wasn't his decision in the first place and was instead likely decided for him beforehand.
Re: Bumblebee Movie Part of Goodbye Beetle Campaign from Volkswagen (2000151)
Posted by Ratman_tf on December 20th, 2018 @ 11:40pm CST
Posted by Ratman_tf on December 20th, 2018 @ 11:40pm CST
"some degree of continuity"
Lot of leeway in that statement.
It would be smart of them to not make any declarative statements anyway. Who knows what the next writer/director will decide...
Lot of leeway in that statement.
It would be smart of them to not make any declarative statements anyway. Who knows what the next writer/director will decide...
Re: Bumblebee Movie Part of Goodbye Beetle Campaign from Volkswagen (2000152)
Posted by Deadput on December 20th, 2018 @ 11:41pm CST
This is true, we wouldn't be having these arguments if the film didn't go into production as a prequel, that is indeed a fact.
However whether it is still a prequel despite the couple of giant continuity errors for the first film alone kinda put a lot of doubts in people's minds.
The biggest mistake Paramount/Hasbro could make at this point is making this a prequel to the Bay films after the overwhelming excitement over the potential that this film is a reboot of some kind, that would be the start of franchise suicide since people are burnt out from Bay's style of films and I doubt anyone but a few of the most heavily dedicated Bay film fans want to try to salvage that mess of a continuity anymore.
Posted by Deadput on December 20th, 2018 @ 11:41pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:Got my ticket to finally see the movie first thing in the morning.
As for this whole prequel vs. reboot issue, y'all are killing me here. The movie being an in-continuity prequel was likely a mandate from on high, pre-established long before Travis Knight was even brought aboard. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that it was even one of the very first things about this movie that were conceived from the get-go. I sincerely doubt that the genesis idea for this movie was "Let's make a spinoff movie about Bumblebee set in the 1980s that has absolutely nothing to do with the other movies" rather than the much more likely idea of "Let's make a spinoff movie about Bumblebee set in the past as a prequel to the other movies."
Now, whether or not the movie actually succeeds or fails at being a continuity-adhering prequel to the other films isn't something I can discuss one way or the other, since I still haven't seen the movie yet. But all I am trying to say is that we shouldn't go pointing fingers at Travis Knight when this movie being a prequel likely wasn't his decision in the first place and was instead likely decided for him beforehand.
This is true, we wouldn't be having these arguments if the film didn't go into production as a prequel, that is indeed a fact.
However whether it is still a prequel despite the couple of giant continuity errors for the first film alone kinda put a lot of doubts in people's minds.
The biggest mistake Paramount/Hasbro could make at this point is making this a prequel to the Bay films after the overwhelming excitement over the potential that this film is a reboot of some kind, that would be the start of franchise suicide since people are burnt out from Bay's style of films and I doubt anyone but a few of the most heavily dedicated Bay film fans want to try to salvage that mess of a continuity anymore.
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Posted by Sabrblade on December 20th, 2018 @ 11:46pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on December 20th, 2018 @ 11:46pm CST
Thing is, if they had really wanted to make this film a complete reboot, there really wouldn't have been any reason for them to have stuck with Bumblebee's pacifier face over a more normal looking face, since it wouldn't have been the same character as the Bumblebee from the other movies.
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Posted by Deadput on December 20th, 2018 @ 11:56pm CST
You can't just completely turn it to a full reboot midproduction by using a film that was fully well being made as a prequel, it would take a lot more money and time then they had that's unrealistic.
This film had a smaller budget it wouldn't be wise to hit full reboot mode just yet in case the movie failed due to the awful reception for TLK which damaged the franchise as a whole, which would mean that if they wanted to do another Transformers film they would have to do a full reboot all over again.
This way they can use the Bee film as a small transition movie to the next one to fulfill the full reboot it can be.
Bee's movie design is the more iconic one overall which is fueled by the last few Transformers shows with Bumblebee becoming a muscle car and Prime adopting the similar face style.
There are BIG continuity errors even if you only connect this film to the 2007 film and not just the ending.
Posted by Deadput on December 20th, 2018 @ 11:56pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:Thing is, if they had really wanted to make this film a complete reboot, there really wouldn't have been any reason for them to have stuck with Bumblebee's pacifier face over a more normal looking face, since it wouldn't have been the same character as the Bumblebee from the other movies.
You can't just completely turn it to a full reboot midproduction by using a film that was fully well being made as a prequel, it would take a lot more money and time then they had that's unrealistic.
This film had a smaller budget it wouldn't be wise to hit full reboot mode just yet in case the movie failed due to the awful reception for TLK which damaged the franchise as a whole, which would mean that if they wanted to do another Transformers film they would have to do a full reboot all over again.
This way they can use the Bee film as a small transition movie to the next one to fulfill the full reboot it can be.
Bee's movie design is the more iconic one overall which is fueled by the last few Transformers shows with Bumblebee becoming a muscle car and Prime adopting the similar face style.
There are BIG continuity errors even if you only connect this film to the 2007 film and not just the ending.
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Posted by Sabrblade on December 21st, 2018 @ 12:00am CST
Posted by Sabrblade on December 21st, 2018 @ 12:00am CST
I was speaking in the hypothetical context of if they had wanted to make this movie a reboot from the beginning of its conception, as though to say "It's not a reboot".Deadput wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Thing is, if they had really wanted to make this film a complete reboot, there really wouldn't have been any reason for them to have stuck with Bumblebee's pacifier face over a more normal looking face, since it wouldn't have been the same character as the Bumblebee from the other movies.
You can't just completely turn it to a full reboot midproduction by using a film that was fully well being made as a prequel, it would take a lot more money and time then they had that's unrealistic.
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Posted by Deadput on December 21st, 2018 @ 12:09am CST
Oh I misunderstood what you were saying I'm sorry.
That is true, this film was being conceptualized around the same time as TLK, I'm pretty sure this film also came out of the writing circle that was put together for TLK (And judging comments they made a certain producer screwed all of that up by smushing different scripts together)
Like for sure this film would have not of been anything like a reboot if TLK didn't go as wrong as it did, when that happened it's obvious things like the G1 designs and the removal and addition of things that disconnects from the Bay films enough were made as an emergency.
Clearly their waiting for the film to officially come out and wait a few months before further deciding what they want to do.
It is probably one of the messiest attempts at a backup/reboot plan conceived but if they play their cards right and they actually don't screw it up by attempting to try to "milk" the empty Bay-style fuel tank again. (You know which individual involved in the film's production I mean)
Posted by Deadput on December 21st, 2018 @ 12:09am CST
Sabrblade wrote:I was speaking in the hypothetical context of if they had wanted to make this movie a reboot from the beginning of its conception, as though to say "It's not a reboot".
Oh I misunderstood what you were saying I'm sorry.
That is true, this film was being conceptualized around the same time as TLK, I'm pretty sure this film also came out of the writing circle that was put together for TLK (And judging comments they made a certain producer screwed all of that up by smushing different scripts together)
Like for sure this film would have not of been anything like a reboot if TLK didn't go as wrong as it did, when that happened it's obvious things like the G1 designs and the removal and addition of things that disconnects from the Bay films enough were made as an emergency.
Clearly their waiting for the film to officially come out and wait a few months before further deciding what they want to do.
It is probably one of the messiest attempts at a backup/reboot plan conceived but if they play their cards right and they actually don't screw it up by attempting to try to "milk" the empty Bay-style fuel tank again. (You know which individual involved in the film's production I mean)
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Posted by Fires_Of_Inferno on December 21st, 2018 @ 12:59am CST
Posted by Fires_Of_Inferno on December 21st, 2018 @ 12:59am CST
I haven't listened/read the article/interview we're discussing because I don't want anything spoiled for me (yes, I'm still going to see it, blurgh), but I can't see how they can call it a prequel when the Cybertronian designs are all G1 looking characters, but in every flashback to Cybertron in the previous films, all the characters looked like unintelligible twisted pieces of metal.
it just doesn't make any sense to me.
it just doesn't make any sense to me.
Re: Bumblebee Movie Part of Goodbye Beetle Campaign from Volkswagen (2000169)
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on December 21st, 2018 @ 1:39am CST
Not to argue to much about Xmen, but the thing about first class was it had enough continuity stay connected to the previous movies, while giving it enough room to not be entirely bound to said continuity. I dont believe first class was made with intention to be 100% a soft reboot, only that if it was successful the studio could move into a different direction without being entirely hamstrung by the abysmal performance of xmen 3 and the weight of the other movies. Thats part of why days for future past both ignores the third xmen movie and officially reboots the xmen movies with time travel shinnangins to continue with the prequels cast and direction.
I wouldn't be surprised if the bumblebee movie will be similar. Intended to be a prequel. but gives itself enough wiggle room that it can change the course of a stumbling franchise. If the movie performs well and is well received, it wouldn't be a shock if future transformers movies begin to veer away from the previous baggage of the 07 movie. Bumblebee definitely sets a new direction with a similar but different enough asthetic that it would be to much whiplash if they do reboot using bumblebee as the base.
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on December 21st, 2018 @ 1:39am CST
william-james88 wrote:SW's SilverHammer wrote:XMen First Class was "prequel" in continuity with the other Xmen Movies. Then it was made part of a reboot sooooooo I'll wait and see how true this is in a year or two.
How the hell was first class turned into a reboot? The sequel was all about paralels with cast members from later years.
Not to argue to much about Xmen, but the thing about first class was it had enough continuity stay connected to the previous movies, while giving it enough room to not be entirely bound to said continuity. I dont believe first class was made with intention to be 100% a soft reboot, only that if it was successful the studio could move into a different direction without being entirely hamstrung by the abysmal performance of xmen 3 and the weight of the other movies. Thats part of why days for future past both ignores the third xmen movie and officially reboots the xmen movies with time travel shinnangins to continue with the prequels cast and direction.
I wouldn't be surprised if the bumblebee movie will be similar. Intended to be a prequel. but gives itself enough wiggle room that it can change the course of a stumbling franchise. If the movie performs well and is well received, it wouldn't be a shock if future transformers movies begin to veer away from the previous baggage of the 07 movie. Bumblebee definitely sets a new direction with a similar but different enough asthetic that it would be to much whiplash if they do reboot using bumblebee as the base.
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Posted by Salacious_Monk on December 21st, 2018 @ 1:45am CST
But unfortunately the opening weekend is said to be a disappointment. 22 million...
https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment ... ansformers
Posted by Salacious_Monk on December 21st, 2018 @ 1:45am CST
SW's SilverHammer wrote:william-james88 wrote:SW's SilverHammer wrote:XMen First Class was "prequel" in continuity with the other Xmen Movies. Then it was made part of a reboot sooooooo I'll wait and see how true this is in a year or two.
How the hell was first class turned into a reboot? The sequel was all about paralels with cast members from later years.
Not to argue to much about Xmen, but the thing about first class was it had enough continuity stay connected to the previous movies, while giving it enough room to not be entirely bound to said continuity. I dont believe first class was made with intention to be 100% a soft reboot, only that if it was successful the studio could move into a different direction without being entirely hamstrung by the abysmal performance of xmen 3 and the weight of the other movies. Thats part of why days for future past both ignores the third xmen movie and officially reboots the xmen movies with time travel shinnangins to continue with the prequels cast and direction.
I wouldn't be surprised if the bumblebee movie will be similar. Intended to be a prequel. but gives itself enough wiggle room that it can change the course of a stumbling franchise. If the movie performs well and is well received, it wouldn't be a shock if future transformers movies begin to veer away from the previous baggage of the 07 movie. Bumblebee definitely sets a new direction with a similar but different enough asthetic that it would be to much whiplash if they do reboot using bumblebee as the base.
But unfortunately the opening weekend is said to be a disappointment. 22 million...
https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment ... ansformers
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Posted by Deadput on December 21st, 2018 @ 2:06am CST
This is what I was thinking, while it no doubts has quite a bit in common to the previous films with similar plot elements and art design aesthetic for the robots it also breaks away from the mold enough that the next film could go in a totally new direction.
The only big things that tie in to the Bay films is.
1: Bumblebee's movie/G1 hybrid inspired design as well as the more Bay-type elements in Shatter, Dropkick and to a lesser extent Blitzwing's designs but that's just an aesthetic, a reboot is probably going to have that sort of look going forward with a little more lean to G1 inspired elements, like despite being very blocky and G1 Optimus still has movie type eyes and has the wirey look in the places that aren't covered by kibble.
2: An organization called Sector 7 but this can always be retooled for a reboot as the orginization that deals with Transformers just like how in Transformers Animated, Prime and Cyberverse there is an Allspark which originated in the 2007 film yet has been reused countless times.
Bee spoiler regarding this point. The fact that Shatter and Dropkick do not detect or mention anything about the Allspark or Megatron while inside Hoover Dam kinda supports an earlier line where Dr. Powell says this is their first contact with an Alien species, at the very least it's a pretty big continuity and directing error if this is a prequel to even only the 2007 film
3: In relation to number 2 (Very minor spoiler that I'm sure most in the general audience missed) The small cameo appearance of a younger Simmons, just like above this can always be retooled to a new version of the character just like how there are different Witwicky's in other parts of the franchise heck for all we know this version of Simmons might never show up again, in an interview from a few days ago Travis said his cameo was a late decision and it wasn't even in the script, although I will say they found a great guy for him he looks just like a younger version of the character.
4: Spoiler for end of film Bee taking on the old Camaro at the end, this is honestly the biggest link that continues to tie it with the Bay films yet it's part of the scene that has one of the biggest continuity errors of the film with Prime appearing on Earth before 2007, again they could always just continue with this car and design in a reboot it doesn't prevent a reboot especially with the fact that we see the robot mode which doesn't look like the 2007 design but instead as this movie's Bee but slightly taller and with the Camaro car parts.
So TLDR: it has it's ties and connections but none of those prevents Hasbro/Paramount from making this film a reboot.
Posted by Deadput on December 21st, 2018 @ 2:06am CST
SW's SilverHammer wrote:Not to argue to much about Xmen, but the thing about first class was it had enough continuity stay connected to the previous movies, while giving it enough room to not be entirely bound to said continuity. I dont believe first class was made with intention to be 100% a soft reboot, only that if it was successful the studio could move into a different direction without being entirely hamstrung by the abysmal performance of xmen 3 and the weight of the other movies. Thats part of why days for future past both ignores the third xmen movie and officially reboots the xmen movies with time travel shinnangins to continue with the prequels cast and direction.
I wouldn't be surprised if the bumblebee movie will be similar. Intended to be a prequel. but gives itself enough wiggle room that it can change the course of a stumbling franchise. If the movie performs well and is well received, it wouldn't be a shock if future transformers movies begin to veer away from the previous baggage of the 07 movie. Bumblebee definitely sets a new direction with a similar but different enough asthetic that it would be to much whiplash if they do reboot using bumblebee as the base.
This is what I was thinking, while it no doubts has quite a bit in common to the previous films with similar plot elements and art design aesthetic for the robots it also breaks away from the mold enough that the next film could go in a totally new direction.
The only big things that tie in to the Bay films is.
1: Bumblebee's movie/G1 hybrid inspired design as well as the more Bay-type elements in Shatter, Dropkick and to a lesser extent Blitzwing's designs but that's just an aesthetic, a reboot is probably going to have that sort of look going forward with a little more lean to G1 inspired elements, like despite being very blocky and G1 Optimus still has movie type eyes and has the wirey look in the places that aren't covered by kibble.
2: An organization called Sector 7 but this can always be retooled for a reboot as the orginization that deals with Transformers just like how in Transformers Animated, Prime and Cyberverse there is an Allspark which originated in the 2007 film yet has been reused countless times.
Bee spoiler regarding this point. The fact that Shatter and Dropkick do not detect or mention anything about the Allspark or Megatron while inside Hoover Dam kinda supports an earlier line where Dr. Powell says this is their first contact with an Alien species, at the very least it's a pretty big continuity and directing error if this is a prequel to even only the 2007 film
3: In relation to number 2 (Very minor spoiler that I'm sure most in the general audience missed) The small cameo appearance of a younger Simmons, just like above this can always be retooled to a new version of the character just like how there are different Witwicky's in other parts of the franchise heck for all we know this version of Simmons might never show up again, in an interview from a few days ago Travis said his cameo was a late decision and it wasn't even in the script, although I will say they found a great guy for him he looks just like a younger version of the character.
4: Spoiler for end of film Bee taking on the old Camaro at the end, this is honestly the biggest link that continues to tie it with the Bay films yet it's part of the scene that has one of the biggest continuity errors of the film with Prime appearing on Earth before 2007, again they could always just continue with this car and design in a reboot it doesn't prevent a reboot especially with the fact that we see the robot mode which doesn't look like the 2007 design but instead as this movie's Bee but slightly taller and with the Camaro car parts.
So TLDR: it has it's ties and connections but none of those prevents Hasbro/Paramount from making this film a reboot.
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Posted by Carnivius_Prime on December 21st, 2018 @ 2:11am CST
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on December 21st, 2018 @ 2:11am CST
No thanks. I don't care for the idea of my fave robot designs ever (2007-2017) having been blocky crap. It's been almost a week since i saw the film and it's just... nothing. There's nothing about it at all I really enjoyed. Nothing that stayed in my mind as exciting me for the next one or new toys or anything. All previous five gave me positive feelings to various degrees and willing to try new things and new reimaginings of old things. This one just makes a mess of it all just for rehashed script, rehashed 80s soundtrack, rehashed everything. Huge step backwards. If you liked this one, ok fine that's your thing but I still don't get how it's supposed to please folk by creating a continuity breaking mix-match of two very different takes on the franchise. But yeah whatever... I'm done for now.
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Posted by Deadput on December 21st, 2018 @ 2:21am CST
Who in the targeted audience would even have a thought like this come across their mind though?
Only the hard core Transformers fans like you and I.
In my second viewing of this movie (Which was in Calgary which is a big city in Canada with a lot of people and was a full theater, so much so that I had to sit in the front row to see the film again and I got there half an hour before the film started) there was a Paramount representative there who was there to accept feedback after the movie ended, so afterwards I hanged around but didn't talk to the guy just yet because I was trying to be respectful and not take up a line so I let everyone else go first and you want to know what I mostly heard besides how awesome the film and Cybertron scenes were?
Something around the lines of "Thank god it's no longer like the Micheal Bay Transformers films" With some giving an additional "Just like my childhood" type comments.
This film was made to cater to those who have nostalgia for the 80's and G1 as well as those who are sick of Bay's vision, it's not made for the hardcore Bay fans who grew up with those films.
Regardless of what one think of Rotton Tomatoes, you see that current score? That alone is indicative that this film worked with a lot more people then the Bay films did and that the type of direction this film went with is what is going to be used going forward.
It's been 10 years, there is nothing new that a Bay type film can give, it's time for a new vision.
Posted by Deadput on December 21st, 2018 @ 2:21am CST
Carnivius_Prime wrote:If you liked this one, ok fine that's your thing but I still don't get how it's supposed to please folk by creating a continuity breaking mix-match of two very different takes on the franchise. But yeah whatever... I'm done for now.
Who in the targeted audience would even have a thought like this come across their mind though?
Only the hard core Transformers fans like you and I.
In my second viewing of this movie (Which was in Calgary which is a big city in Canada with a lot of people and was a full theater, so much so that I had to sit in the front row to see the film again and I got there half an hour before the film started) there was a Paramount representative there who was there to accept feedback after the movie ended, so afterwards I hanged around but didn't talk to the guy just yet because I was trying to be respectful and not take up a line so I let everyone else go first and you want to know what I mostly heard besides how awesome the film and Cybertron scenes were?
Something around the lines of "Thank god it's no longer like the Micheal Bay Transformers films" With some giving an additional "Just like my childhood" type comments.
This film was made to cater to those who have nostalgia for the 80's and G1 as well as those who are sick of Bay's vision, it's not made for the hardcore Bay fans who grew up with those films.
Regardless of what one think of Rotton Tomatoes, you see that current score? That alone is indicative that this film worked with a lot more people then the Bay films did and that the type of direction this film went with is what is going to be used going forward.
It's been 10 years, there is nothing new that a Bay type film can give, it's time for a new vision.
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Posted by ZeroWolf on December 21st, 2018 @ 3:08am CST
Posted by ZeroWolf on December 21st, 2018 @ 3:08am CST
I've always said that depending on how the movie performs will depend on how Paramount sees it...Personally I think they should just do a full on reboot for the next film, completely clear the state, that means new designs. Also it will probably have better synergy with the gi Joe and micronaughts movies they are planning.
Though let's be honest, this film wouldn't be the first to be a prequel but have conflicting elements with the film supposed to follow it (I'm looking at you Prometheus and Alien: Convent) there is ways around those comments you made Deadput, so as I say it's all down to the films performance (I.e. How much money it makes)
Though let's be honest, this film wouldn't be the first to be a prequel but have conflicting elements with the film supposed to follow it (I'm looking at you Prometheus and Alien: Convent) there is ways around those comments you made Deadput, so as I say it's all down to the films performance (I.e. How much money it makes)
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Posted by Deadput on December 21st, 2018 @ 3:21am CST
Yeah it is up to the companies of what direction to go forward with and indeed how much the money makes is a big part, I don't know what to expect since I'm trying not to get my hopes too high but there is plenty of factors for why it could perform good or bad, I personally don't think it will be the highest grossing of the movies but I think it will be decently successful especially with good mouth of word since I've seen more positive reviews for Bumblebee then I have for it's arguable biggest competition Aquaman. (Not googling up how good Spider man is or is going to do since I want to watch that film without knowing spoilers)
They could always give a good reason to redesign Bumblebee in the next film especially since (Bee spoiler) He's the only character who lives in that film that has the heavier side of the Bay-style since Shatter and Dropkick are killed by the end.
For example they could have the big bad or some other Decepticon from the next film absolutely trash Bumblebee like ripping his face off and tearing off limbs and that villain purposely leaves him alive in such a wrecked mess besides his vitals he has to be rebuilt into a new design that more so resembles his G1 design in a way sort of like the Goldbug situation, when deciding a new alt mode he simply decided to go back to the Beetle because of nostalgia for Charlie. (Film could have a bit of a time skip like in the 90's or something)
Posted by Deadput on December 21st, 2018 @ 3:21am CST
ZeroWolf wrote:I've always said that depending on how the movie performs will depend on how Paramount sees it...Personally I think they should just do a full on reboot for the next film, completely clear the state, that means new designs. Also it will probably have better synergy with the gi Joe and micronaughts movies they are planning.
Though let's be honest, this film wouldn't be the first to be a prequel but have conflicting elements with the film supposed to follow it (I'm looking at you Prometheus and Alien: Convent) there is ways around those comments you made Deadput, so as I say it's all down to the films performance (I.e. How much money it makes)
Yeah it is up to the companies of what direction to go forward with and indeed how much the money makes is a big part, I don't know what to expect since I'm trying not to get my hopes too high but there is plenty of factors for why it could perform good or bad, I personally don't think it will be the highest grossing of the movies but I think it will be decently successful especially with good mouth of word since I've seen more positive reviews for Bumblebee then I have for it's arguable biggest competition Aquaman. (Not googling up how good Spider man is or is going to do since I want to watch that film without knowing spoilers)
They could always give a good reason to redesign Bumblebee in the next film especially since (Bee spoiler) He's the only character who lives in that film that has the heavier side of the Bay-style since Shatter and Dropkick are killed by the end.
For example they could have the big bad or some other Decepticon from the next film absolutely trash Bumblebee like ripping his face off and tearing off limbs and that villain purposely leaves him alive in such a wrecked mess besides his vitals he has to be rebuilt into a new design that more so resembles his G1 design in a way sort of like the Goldbug situation, when deciding a new alt mode he simply decided to go back to the Beetle because of nostalgia for Charlie. (Film could have a bit of a time skip like in the 90's or something)
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Posted by ZeroWolf on December 21st, 2018 @ 4:46am CST
Posted by ZeroWolf on December 21st, 2018 @ 4:46am CST
Spiderman is good that's all I'll say about that.
Honestly I could see them doing the new g.i Joe film and then have an after credit sequence where it turns out that Cobra Commander had a secret deal with Megatron ala G2
Honestly I could see them doing the new g.i Joe film and then have an after credit sequence where it turns out that Cobra Commander had a secret deal with Megatron ala G2
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Posted by Deadput on December 21st, 2018 @ 4:52am CST
Could be an interesting way to reveal him especially if up to that point there isn't any obvious indication that the film is connected to the Transformers films (Whether Reboot universe or Bayverse although it probably wouldn't work that well with the latter)
Don't know if it would be "good" or if people would receive it well but it would be interesting.
Probably best keep Megatron's appearance mostly hidden (like in shadow or something where you only see an outline of his silhouette and his crimson eyes)
Posted by Deadput on December 21st, 2018 @ 4:52am CST
ZeroWolf wrote:Spiderman is good that's all I'll say about that.
Honestly I could see them doing the new g.i Joe film and then have an after credit sequence where it turns out that Cobra Commander had a secret deal with Megatron ala G2
Could be an interesting way to reveal him especially if up to that point there isn't any obvious indication that the film is connected to the Transformers films (Whether Reboot universe or Bayverse although it probably wouldn't work that well with the latter)
Don't know if it would be "good" or if people would receive it well but it would be interesting.
Probably best keep Megatron's appearance mostly hidden (like in shadow or something where you only see an outline of his silhouette and his crimson eyes)
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Posted by ZeroWolf on December 21st, 2018 @ 5:07am CST
Posted by ZeroWolf on December 21st, 2018 @ 5:07am CST
Well I would think that would be the case as in the next film, you show that Cobra have helped Megatron repair himself 
In any case, there's already talks of an Optimus Prime origin movie, so what we could see there is a definitive reboot carrying on the same themes as Bumblebee but fully advertised as its own thing.
In any case, there's already talks of an Optimus Prime origin movie, so what we could see there is a definitive reboot carrying on the same themes as Bumblebee but fully advertised as its own thing.
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Posted by Deadput on December 21st, 2018 @ 5:34am CST
I really hope it's a reboot, I've been getting pretty heated in my comments, just worried at the prospect that Hasbro and Paramount ignore the fact that they could be sitting on a gold mine of a fresh series that could combine the best aspects of G1 and the Bayverse to attempt to go back to the Bay-style films because they used to make a lot of money.
That one producer's (I'm not saying names) comments is what mostly worries me especially with the knowledge that he went as far as to basically sabotage Peter Cullen's audition as Optimus Prime back during the 2007 film's production all because the guy didn't want anything from the old cartoon in the movie. (He basically also made sure that he could only voice Prime and not Ironhide as well), from what I can tell a bunch of that guy's actions lead to a bunch of the previous film's problems. (Like deciding to combine a bunch of scripts and ideas from the writers room stuff into TLK)
You can still make a lot of money by making actual good movies to, more people want a reboot there is a bunch of profit right there!
Posted by Deadput on December 21st, 2018 @ 5:34am CST
ZeroWolf wrote:Well I would think that would be the case as in the next film, you show that Cobra have helped Megatron repair himself
In any case, there's already talks of an Optimus Prime origin movie, so what we could see there is a definitive reboot carrying on the same themes as Bumblebee but fully advertised as its own thing.
I really hope it's a reboot, I've been getting pretty heated in my comments, just worried at the prospect that Hasbro and Paramount ignore the fact that they could be sitting on a gold mine of a fresh series that could combine the best aspects of G1 and the Bayverse to attempt to go back to the Bay-style films because they used to make a lot of money.
That one producer's (I'm not saying names) comments is what mostly worries me especially with the knowledge that he went as far as to basically sabotage Peter Cullen's audition as Optimus Prime back during the 2007 film's production all because the guy didn't want anything from the old cartoon in the movie. (He basically also made sure that he could only voice Prime and not Ironhide as well), from what I can tell a bunch of that guy's actions lead to a bunch of the previous film's problems. (Like deciding to combine a bunch of scripts and ideas from the writers room stuff into TLK)
You can still make a lot of money by making actual good movies to, more people want a reboot there is a bunch of profit right there!
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Posted by Kyleor on December 21st, 2018 @ 8:22am CST
You should go see it. It's very good-there is little to no of the usual Baysplosion-nonsense, instead of story, to lower the quality of the movie. You honestly can't tell that Bay had any influence/part in making it, which is a major plus for it. The story makes sense from beginning to end. Without getting into any spoilers, the timeline of Bumblebee does't line up with the previous Bayverse version of Transformers/Earth history.
It feels like a reboot, no matter what people are being told to say.
Posted by Kyleor on December 21st, 2018 @ 8:22am CST
Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:This... has completely turned me off to seeing it. I was seriously hopeful,I didn't even know bay was still attached to the film. We don't need any damn continuity with the previous movies, what the hell is he thinking.
uuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrgghh.
The movies themselves barely had any continuity with each other to begin with!
You should go see it. It's very good-there is little to no of the usual Baysplosion-nonsense, instead of story, to lower the quality of the movie. You honestly can't tell that Bay had any influence/part in making it, which is a major plus for it. The story makes sense from beginning to end. Without getting into any spoilers, the timeline of Bumblebee does't line up with the previous Bayverse version of Transformers/Earth history.
It feels like a reboot, no matter what people are being told to say.
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Posted by william-james88 on December 21st, 2018 @ 8:28am CST
Posted by william-james88 on December 21st, 2018 @ 8:28am CST
So with all this debate for the months prior about what kind of film Bumblebee was, Travis Knight is being extreamly precise about its status within the Bayverse. We are seeing though, that it's status as a prequel was decided off the bat and now Mr Knight reveals how that stopped him from having Megatron in the film's Cybertron scene, something he wanted and even storyboarded.
Here are the actual quotes from io9:
Here are the actual quotes from io9:
“I had this whole thing boarded where we’re where we see [Decepticon leader] Megatron and he comes in like Sauron, just blowing shit up and laying waste to everything,” Knight said. However, he then realized in this world, Megatron is currently frozen on Earth, as seen in 2007's Transformers, so that was out.
“So even though I really wanted to see G1 Megatron on the battlefield at the fall Cybertron, I couldn’t do it,” he said. “But I wanted to fit as much of this G1 stuff I loved in there, and so I put my favorite characters in. Obviously there are ones I wish I could put in there, and I would love to see an entire movie about the fall of Cybertron because I think it’s awesome, but just to be able to visit it for a moment, to see the Cybertron of my imaginations on the big screen, it was a real thrill.”
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Posted by william-james88 on December 21st, 2018 @ 8:35am CST
Its not about what people are being told to say, I just newsed a story saying that Travis Knight was told to make a prequel and thus could not include specific scenes and characters he wanted since it wouldnt fit continuity.
Posted by william-james88 on December 21st, 2018 @ 8:35am CST
Kyleor wrote:It feels like a reboot, no matter what people are being told to say.
Its not about what people are being told to say, I just newsed a story saying that Travis Knight was told to make a prequel and thus could not include specific scenes and characters he wanted since it wouldnt fit continuity.
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Posted by ScottyP on December 21st, 2018 @ 9:08am CST
Posted by ScottyP on December 21st, 2018 @ 9:08am CST
I had done so well avoiding spoilers and then we front page one the day the movie comes out :'(
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Posted by Sabrblade on December 21st, 2018 @ 9:12am CST
Posted by Sabrblade on December 21st, 2018 @ 9:12am CST
Well, considering that this film takes place in 1987 and Megatron doesn't awaken until 2007, I kinda figured that his absence from the film would have been a given (and I still haven't seen it yet but will in about 30 minutes or so from now, as of this typing).ScottyP wrote:I had done so well avoiding spoilers and then we front page one the day the movie comes out :'(
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Posted by ScottyP on December 21st, 2018 @ 9:15am CST
Posted by ScottyP on December 21st, 2018 @ 9:15am CST
Movie continuity is so loose I assumed there could be some allowance for him being there and getting deactivated again. I was genuinely curious!Sabrblade wrote:Well, considering that this film takes place in 1987 and Megatron doesn't awaken until 2007, I kinda figured that his absence from the film would have been a given (and I still haven't seen it yet but will in about 30 minutes or so from now, as of this typing).ScottyP wrote:I had done so well avoiding spoilers and then we front page one the day the movie comes out :'(
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Posted by Immortal Starscream on December 21st, 2018 @ 9:32am CST
Posted by Immortal Starscream on December 21st, 2018 @ 9:32am CST
Transformers Continuity. An oxymoron since 1984! 
Personally I think this works in both veins. theres enough connecting tissue to make this a prequel, but also enough pieces that don't fit into the established world to make it a reboot. Personally, I enjoy it for what it is, a dang good transformers movie. I hope it does really really well at the box office, because hasbro needs to make more like this one.
Personally I think this works in both veins. theres enough connecting tissue to make this a prequel, but also enough pieces that don't fit into the established world to make it a reboot. Personally, I enjoy it for what it is, a dang good transformers movie. I hope it does really really well at the box office, because hasbro needs to make more like this one.
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Posted by WiseMan on December 21st, 2018 @ 10:59am CST
Posted by WiseMan on December 21st, 2018 @ 10:59am CST
Everyone seems to be discussing whether Bumblebee is a reboot or not. This question can only be asked based on one basic assumption; that a continuity exists for it to be, or not to be, a part of.
On one hand, Travis Knight says there is a continuity and he had to follow certain plot points. Michael Bay said all of his films were sequels. Fantastic. On the other hand, take a look at the actual continuity of the Bayverse films. Megatron's dead at the end of the 3rd movie, very specifically dead in the 4th and comes back as Galvatron, and is then inexplicably back as Megatron for the 5th.
Now, while that's just one example of the many, many continuity plotholes the Bayverse has I bring it up for a specific reason: They stopped Megatron's inclusion in a prequel due to "continuity" while previously allowing Megatron to appear in a sequel despite "continuity".
What they say doesn't match what they do.
If you prefer Bumblebee to be a standalone movie, that's your choice. If you want it to be a prequel, go for it. If you want it to be the start of a reboot, that's fine.
Fortunately for Transformers fans we have the Unicron Singularity for just such situations.
On one hand, Travis Knight says there is a continuity and he had to follow certain plot points. Michael Bay said all of his films were sequels. Fantastic. On the other hand, take a look at the actual continuity of the Bayverse films. Megatron's dead at the end of the 3rd movie, very specifically dead in the 4th and comes back as Galvatron, and is then inexplicably back as Megatron for the 5th.
Now, while that's just one example of the many, many continuity plotholes the Bayverse has I bring it up for a specific reason: They stopped Megatron's inclusion in a prequel due to "continuity" while previously allowing Megatron to appear in a sequel despite "continuity".
What they say doesn't match what they do.
If you prefer Bumblebee to be a standalone movie, that's your choice. If you want it to be a prequel, go for it. If you want it to be the start of a reboot, that's fine.
Fortunately for Transformers fans we have the Unicron Singularity for just such situations.
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Posted by o.supreme on December 21st, 2018 @ 11:17am CST
Posted by o.supreme on December 21st, 2018 @ 11:17am CST
I'm just taking this movie as a solo film (no pun intended), not a reboot, and not in continuity either. There are so many other contradictions already that not showing Megatron on Cybertron to "preserve continuity", is really superfluous at this point. The manner and arrival of all sorts of Transformers on Earth has changed with each passing film.
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Posted by PerfectVision on December 21st, 2018 @ 11:34am CST
Posted by PerfectVision on December 21st, 2018 @ 11:34am CST
Maybe he didn't remembered or watched everything:now it's time for every possible mocking-rant on the sequels 
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Posted by Windsweeper on December 21st, 2018 @ 12:10pm CST
Posted by Windsweeper on December 21st, 2018 @ 12:10pm CST
There are several reasons why Bumblebee doesn't tie in with the Baymovies.
In the 07 movie, Optimus Prime specifically says they're on Earth looking for the Allspark. There's no mention of that in Bumblebee where Prime specifically sends him to Earth to set up a base for the other Autobots.
In the Last Knight, Bumblebee and Hot Rod are seen fighting Nazis during World War 2 but Bumblebee doesn't arrive on Earth until the 80s in the Bumblebee movie.
In the 07 movie, Optimus Prime specifically says they're on Earth looking for the Allspark. There's no mention of that in Bumblebee where Prime specifically sends him to Earth to set up a base for the other Autobots.
In the Last Knight, Bumblebee and Hot Rod are seen fighting Nazis during World War 2 but Bumblebee doesn't arrive on Earth until the 80s in the Bumblebee movie.
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Posted by 1984forever on December 21st, 2018 @ 12:42pm CST
Posted by 1984forever on December 21st, 2018 @ 12:42pm CST
There’s so much talk about the movies being bad and not making any sense continuity wise that I think it’s pushing people away. If not for the Cybertron scenes I wouldn’t have gone to see it. It was a good movie that I think I would’ve enjoyed way better in the comfort of my own home.
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Posted by ZeroWolf on December 21st, 2018 @ 1:24pm CST
To be fair, there's inconsistencies like that in the bay movies and they are sequels to each other.
Posted by ZeroWolf on December 21st, 2018 @ 1:24pm CST
Windsweeper wrote:There are several reasons why Bumblebee doesn't tie in with the Baymovies.
In the 07 movie, Optimus Prime specifically says they're on Earth looking for the Allspark. There's no mention of that in Bumblebee where Prime specifically sends him to Earth to set up a base for the other Autobots.
In the Last Knight, Bumblebee and Hot Rod are seen fighting Nazis during World War 2 but Bumblebee doesn't arrive on Earth until the 80s in the Bumblebee movie.
To be fair, there's inconsistencies like that in the bay movies and they are sequels to each other.
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Posted by Sabrblade on December 21st, 2018 @ 1:37pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on December 21st, 2018 @ 1:37pm CST
Just got back from seeing the movie. With no pun intended, I give it a solid B.
As for the continuity issues, it's really primarily just TLK with its "familiar Autobot characters on Earth during historical era events" that this movie conflicts with, more than anything else, which almost gets me wondering if maybe it was decided by Paramount to kinda quietly sweep TLK under the rug and sorta pretend like that movie didn't happen (after how unsuccessful it was as a film).
As for the continuity issues, it's really primarily just TLK with its "familiar Autobot characters on Earth during historical era events" that this movie conflicts with, more than anything else, which almost gets me wondering if maybe it was decided by Paramount to kinda quietly sweep TLK under the rug and sorta pretend like that movie didn't happen (after how unsuccessful it was as a film).
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Posted by ZeroWolf on December 21st, 2018 @ 3:00pm CST
Posted by ZeroWolf on December 21st, 2018 @ 3:00pm CST
That's probably for the best. Though regarding TLK, I'm still suprised they went with how Alligned handled Unicron.
