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Superwheeljack wrote:PLEASE LET GALVATRON BE NEXT, PLEEEEAAAAASSSSSEEEEEE

Oh, and before I forget, here's a concept design from Shogo Hasui

warzon3 wrote:That's cool, kinda figures though. MP line is only going to be the heavy hitters they think will sell, which only makes sense.

I highly doubt we see a full 1984 lineup as MP. They will probably move on to season 3 characters and non-g1.

That is probably all the MP's for next year then... It makes me really wonder if I should just pull the trigger on Quakewave. I really want to know if this is something Hastak can not get the rights for.

El Duque wrote:As for future MP's I've heard they will galvanize the fandom, not to mention shock us and create a lot of waves.

El Duque wrote:

Superwheeljack wrote:PLEASE LET GALVATRON BE NEXT, PLEEEEAAAAASSSSSEEEEEE

Oh, and before I forget, here's a concept design from Shogo Hasui

That's actually an old tweet from Shogo back when MP-10 first came out. It's an MP-10 with a carved G1 Ultra Magnus trailer strapped on.

As for future MP's I've heard they will galvanize the fandom, not to mention shock us and create a lot of waves.

megatronus wrote:

El Duque wrote:As for future MP's I've heard they will galvanize the fandom, not to mention shock us and create a lot of waves.

If they did a Galvatron, that would be the first time since the MP reboot that they created a brand new mold for a non-84 character. Exciting!

megatronus wrote:Name 1 non-'84 lineup character who isn't a retool or redeco of a previous MP... you can't, right?

megatronus wrote:

warzon3 wrote:That's cool, kinda figures though. MP line is only going to be the heavy hitters they think will sell, which only makes sense.

I highly doubt we see a full 1984 lineup as MP. They will probably move on to season 3 characters and non-g1.

That is probably all the MP's for next year then... It makes me really wonder if I should just pull the trigger on Quakewave. I really want to know if this is something Hastak can not get the rights for.

What do you mean? They've been focusing primarily on the '84 lineup, and doing retools for characters in other seasons or series to help generate additional revenue and keep this line profitable. Name 1 non-'84 lineup character who isn't a retool or redeco of a previous MP... you can't, right?

From what I understand, Takara has been having trouble negotiating the rights for the Shockwave design from the Korean company that created it. Hopefully we'll see him in the pipeline.

Yotsuyasan wrote:

megatronus wrote:Name 1 non-'84 lineup character who isn't a retool or redeco of a previous MP... you can't, right?

Right. I can't name one.

Grimlock.
Hot Rod / Rodimus Prime.

That's two.

Not to say I don't agree that recently they've been concentrating on the '84 line-up... But the MP line has had non-'84 molds before.

megatronus wrote:

El Duque wrote:As for future MP's I've heard they will galvanize the fandom, not to mention shock us and create a lot of waves.

If they did a Galvatron, that would be the first time since the MP reboot that they created a brand new mold for a non-84 character. Exciting!

And I sincerely hope Shockwave is soon. I've resisted Quake Wave for that very reason.

megatronus wrote:I meant since the reboot... which started with MP-10.

Grimlock and Rodimus don't count

warzon3 wrote:Yes, but they started out with Sideswipe really only because he was a red sports Lambo that they thought would sell. This is a business and they will only put out the most profitable characters they think will sell the most. That is why I guess a full 1984 lineup is kind of a pipedream.

This line will lose steam before they can release all of them.

Sabrblade wrote:I'll hold off celebrating until I see pics.

Bowspearer wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:I'll hold off celebrating until I see pics.

Or even an official announcement, which from memory we have even to get regarding MP-20 and MP-21. Until then, this is nothing more than a rumour.

megatronus wrote:You also forgot to mention that Grimlock and Rodimus are out of scale in 50% of their modes. Grimlock is completely out of robot scale, and Rodimus, if configured as Hot Rod, is completely out of scale with MP-10 in both modes. Point: reboot!

Feel free to disagree, but I've got my opinions, and I'm sticking to them

Yotsuyasan wrote:

megatronus wrote:I meant since the reboot... which started with MP-10.

Grimlock and Rodimus don't count

Sure they do! Calling it a "reboot" is dumb. The only figure I'd consider rebooted is Optimus Prime himself, and (although we don't have a replacement for him yet) perhaps Megatron, who was designed to scale in robot mode with the MP-1 mold.

The fact that the MP-10 was designed in part to scale with MP-9 Rodimus shows to me that as far as the folks at Takara are concerned, the older figures still exist.



If we had to consider any point a "reboot," I'd say it started with MP-6. Before that was only MP-1 and its recolors, MP-5 Megatron, and of course the poorly colored MP-3 Starscream. (Obviously, the MP-3 mold is good enough that, in a slightly modified form, it is still being used! But Takara realized their error with coloration, hence MP-11.)

(It is tricker to figure things out in Hasbro's view, as obviously we have their wonderful unnumbered release of the MP-10 mold, but then their next releases were MP-1 Acid Storm and MP-2 Soundwave...? So I'd say ignore numbering when it comes to domestic releases...)

(Edit: Looking at the TFWiki, they state the line as considered to be rebooted, but starting with MP-9. If this is the case, then... Well, I can still at least name one non-'84 figure who is a new mold, then! But really, the MP-8 mold is great and looks just fine with MP-9 or MP-10, so if you still say Grimlock doesn't count that's as stupid as... well... Grimlock!)

warzon3 wrote:Yes, but they started out with Sideswipe really only because he was a red sports Lambo that they thought would sell. This is a business and they will only put out the most profitable characters they think will sell the most. That is why I guess a full 1984 lineup is kind of a pipedream.

This line will lose steam before they can release all of them.

While I wouldn't be surprised if they never release all of them, they'll certainly get a majority of them, I'd think.

Let's take a look at the '84 Autobot line-up. It was separated into three segments. Mini-Cars, Cars, and Autobot Commander. That last one is pretty easy. Heck, MP Prime's been done twice.

Looking at Cars, we have the following. Crossed out ones have been done or are known to be coming:

Bluestreak
Hound
Ironhide
Jazz
Mirage
Prowl
Ratchet
Sideswipe
Sunstreaker
Trailbreaker
Wheeljack

Now, this is all supposition, but trying to look at it from a business point of view... Ironhide and Ratchet should hopefully be no brainers, as any figure with an easy redesign should be attractive to them. Likewise, Trailbreaker could give them a Hoist.

That leaves Hound, Jazz, Mirage, and Sunstreaker. These guys have less obvious repaints which I'm sure Takara will be happy to exploit, but would be less likely to appeal to everyone. Still, I'd consider them big enough characters to not writ them off.

Now, for the mini-cars, the only one we know is coming is Bumblebee. It wouldn't be the easiest re-use in the world, as it would take pretty much a complete reshelling, but I can't conceive of them having designed Bumblebee without also having Cliffjumper in mind.

I would perhaps worry about Brawn, Gears, Huffer, and Windcharger. I can't see the mini-cars getting as much love as the full-sized cars. But you never know! The Masterpiece line has been full of excellent surprises lately!

As far as Decepticons... If you still count MP-5, then the line-up is complete! If not, then you're just missing Megatron. (And many people have a hard time thinking they won't re-do him eventually.)

Yotsuyasan wrote:Re: Scale -- As ever with Transformers, that is a useless argument. By your reasoning of a reboot starting with MP-10, then MP-11 would be part of that and thus should be a consistent scale. My, what a tiny jet he is.

And scale is absolutely impossible to keep consistent once they started doing Soundwave and his cassettes. After all, toys can't mass shift. Unless you're telling me that Soundwave just decided to be a really freaking huge cassette player!

In this case, I think we really can only look at robot mode for scale. And by that, I still think Rodimus and Grimlock fit.

Yotsuyasan wrote:Now, I know you and I shall not agree on this. And I don't wish to keep going on about it in a thread that is supposed to be (in part) about MP-22, and not the Masterpiece line as a whole...

Yotsuyasan wrote:But one more (tongue in cheek) comment before I let it go... If the line rebooted, why is Takara still following the numbering established with MP-1? I don't see other reboots doing that... They didn't call the 2003 television series, "Galactica II: Starbuck's Sex Change," for example.

xyl360 wrote:Preordered !

And regarding the whole "reboot" argument. It is a reboot that started with MP-10 because Takara Rodimus is not Rodimus Prime (wrong colors). The head change gimmick and trailer were bonuses, that's all. That's why he's pink and way too huge to fig in scale with MP-10.

I think Takara will do all of the 84 bots if they can and I do believe they'll figure something out with Shockwave and I do believe a new Megatron is coming.

I've been waiting for this Magnus and always believed it would come ever since I saw that kitbash from that Takara engineer/designer. This is gonna be sooooo cool !

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El Duque wrote:For me personally the Masterpiece reboot started with MP-08 Grimlock. He was considerably smaller than most fans expected he would be, and he scales with MP-09 and MP-10 reasonably well when they're all in robot mode.

Ravage XK wrote:If we do get a "rebooted" MP Megatron I wonder if he will he still be a hand gun after the import issues that the last one caused and Takara going after large numbers of sales?

Naked Magnus wrote:A Masterpiece Ultra Magnus?

MY WALLET CAN'T DEAL WITH THAT NOW!

LoL, I see what you did, right there. Point to you.

Bowspearer wrote:

El Duque wrote:For me personally the Masterpiece reboot started with MP-08 Grimlock. He was considerably smaller than most fans expected he would be, and he scales with MP-09 and MP-10 reasonably well when they're all in robot mode.

Actually Grimlock is too small to scale with MP-10 and is more built to scale with the BT line than the 2.0 line. Besides, Takara have specifically gone on record saying that the reboot started with MP-10.

Stormrider wrote:

Bowspearer wrote:

El Duque wrote:For me personally the Masterpiece reboot started with MP-08 Grimlock. He was considerably smaller than most fans expected he would be, and he scales with MP-09 and MP-10 reasonably well when they're all in robot mode.

Actually Grimlock is too small to scale with MP-10 and is more built to scale with the BT line than the 2.0 line. Besides, Takara have specifically gone on record saying that the reboot started with MP-10.

MP10 Convoy was scaled to MP09 Rodimus.

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-masterpiece-47/takaratomy-staff-interview-masterpiece-174660/

Ironically, the same article speculates whether or not MP Ultra Magnus would be made. Check it out for the answer.

On a related note, just looked at MP10 Convoy, and noticed several tabs and slots already molded in - forearms, hip, front shins.

- The Masterpiece series began as an individual commemoration, but now you are starting over as a standardised series?
Hasui: That is right. This (MP- 10) is not simply meant to be a shrunken remake of MP-1 to match the scale with MP Rodimus Convoy, but a new beginning. I hope this Convoy will lead the characters that will be released in the future.

Ravage XK wrote:If we do get a "rebooted" MP Megatron I wonder if he will he still be a hand gun after the import issues that the last one caused and Takara going after large numbers of sales?

xyl360 wrote:Preordered !

And regarding the whole "reboot" argument. It is a reboot that started with MP-10 because Takara Rodimus is not Rodimus Prime (wrong colors). The head change gimmick and trailer were bonuses, that's all. That's why he's pink and way too huge to fig in scale with MP-10.

I think Takara will do all of the 84 bots if they can and I do believe they'll figure something out with Shockwave and I do believe a new Megatron is coming.

I've been waiting for this Magnus and always believed it would come ever since I saw that kitbash from that Takara engineer/designer. This is gonna be sooooo cool !

TimothyR wrote:and like i said, who cares about when this "reboot" happened..

TimothyR wrote:we're getting a masterpiece ultra magnus!

TimothyR wrote:i didn't have a problem getting my MP05 back then. i ordered two from ebay from two different sellers. both arrived to me sealed and untouched. i don't remember seeing people having problems with customs.. but it was a while ago, so i could've missed something.

TimothyR wrote:personally, i couldn't care less when the "reboot" started and when it didn't.. the way i see it, other than MP01 and MP05, they all work well together.

Bowspearer wrote:

Stormrider wrote:

Bowspearer wrote:

El Duque wrote:For me personally the Masterpiece reboot started with MP-08 Grimlock. He was considerably smaller than most fans expected he would be, and he scales with MP-09 and MP-10 reasonably well when they're all in robot mode.

Actually Grimlock is too small to scale with MP-10 and is more built to scale with the BT line than the 2.0 line. Besides, Takara have specifically gone on record saying that the reboot started with MP-10.

MP10 Convoy was scaled to MP09 Rodimus.

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-masterpiece-47/takaratomy-staff-interview-masterpiece-174660/

Ironically, the same article speculates whether or not MP Ultra Magnus would be made. Check it out for the answer.

On a related note, just looked at MP10 Convoy, and noticed several tabs and slots already molded in - forearms, hip, front shins.

Ironically you've just proven my point:

Stormrider wrote:Back to the topic - I hope the MP Ultra Magnus incorporates enough movement in the armor so that UM isn't a brick.

Stormrider wrote:

Bowspearer wrote:

Stormrider wrote:

Bowspearer wrote:

El Duque wrote:For me personally the Masterpiece reboot started with MP-08 Grimlock. He was considerably smaller than most fans expected he would be, and he scales with MP-09 and MP-10 reasonably well when they're all in robot mode.

Actually Grimlock is too small to scale with MP-10 and is more built to scale with the BT line than the 2.0 line. Besides, Takara have specifically gone on record saying that the reboot started with MP-10.

MP10 Convoy was scaled to MP09 Rodimus.

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-masterpiece-47/takaratomy-staff-interview-masterpiece-174660/

Ironically, the same article speculates whether or not MP Ultra Magnus would be made. Check it out for the answer.

On a related note, just looked at MP10 Convoy, and noticed several tabs and slots already molded in - forearms, hip, front shins.

Ironically you've just proven my point:

Not sure why you think that is ironic since I wasn't disagreeing with you. It's a lot more helpful for folks when facts are provided, instead of stating things as factual with nothing to back it up.