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News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:02 am

Well the votes are in, turns out the real savior of the Autobots is actually a goddamn hippy kid.

So no more of that silly debate between Alldarker and Absolute Zero!

Let's see if we can beat last weeks 52 votes. And if you don't think this weeks poll is any good, then bloody submit one yourself by pming me! Except N_V, he did, but I didn't like it.

VOTE!

News Credits: 1 · by **Redimus** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:02 am

I put Strafe Ram. But there's two points I'd like to make about it. First. No one has the xp to really get dividends from it yet. Secondly, by the time they do, Repair Ram is better.

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:11 am

I knew there was another tactic I forgot about. :lol:

News Credits: 1 · by **Windracer** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:39 am

Shotgun > Everything else.

Seriously though, I haven't the faintest what the best tactic combo is nowadays. I'm so out of the loop it ain't funny. ┐_┐;

News Credits: 1 · by **Absolute Zero** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:42 pm

Decepticons, you fail me.

Next step... getting the other 40 of those people who vote to post on the boards.

by **Bristleback** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:03 pm

Absolute Zero wrote:Decepticons, you fail me.

Next step... getting the other 40 of those people who vote to post on the boards.

Nah I'm too lazy for that... oh wait sec, damn you! /:)

by **Naval Strike** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:26 pm

We had a poll last week?? I-)

I voted Ram/Strafe two offensive tatics!! :twisted:

News Credits: 9 · by **Editor** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:16 pm

Ram/Repair. It's not going to win, but it does well for my top guy.

News Credits: 3 · by **Name_Violation** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:34 pm

really it depends on level/xp.

Repair is actually ok for lower levels, while ram owns at higher level. avoid is great at low level, and it takes strafe a long time to be good.

Ram/avoid FTW

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:38 pm

Strafe is fine at any level.

The thing with strafe is it's the outside factors (number of targets) that really affect it.

News Credits: 3 · by **Name_Violation** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:03 pm

Burn wrote:Strafe is fine at any level.

The thing with strafe is it's the outside factors (number of targets) that really affect it.

thats not my experience. even with a 10 strafe and a 8 fpr, strafe loves to fire off 1-2 hits a lot more than 6+ hits. whether it against 1 target or 10. But maybe i'm just jinxed

by **slip** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:10 am

Name_Violation wrote:
Burn wrote:Strafe is fine at any level.

The thing with strafe is it's the outside factors (number of targets) that really affect it.

thats not my experience. even with a 10 strafe and a 8 fpr, strafe loves to fire off 1-2 hits a lot more than 6+ hits. whether it against 1 target or 10. But maybe i'm just jinxed

N V sometimes you seriously dissapoint me strafe targets everybody but ignores freindly hits. This is why x POINTS IN STRAFE SOMETIMES EQUALS ONE OR TWO HITS.
Silly me for thinking you learned from your time in bug camp.

Don't think i'm taking it out on you but this is my point repair should have been based off of strafe multi repair and a simpler mechanic.
Disagree, ok well lets look at it ram and strafe rely on two primary stats str/ram or frp/strf. repair wants int and end puls repair plus targets end. Before I go ant further I'll leave it at that and go cast my vote as a con at the levels I'm at for ram/strafe.

Like Optimus_Prime007 on Facebook · by **Optimus_Prime007** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:21 am

Ram/Avoid best of both worlds, Offensive/Defensive, and you can always avoid away to ram another day haha!

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:58 am

Optimus Prime007 wrote:Ram/Avoid best of both worlds, Offensive/Defensive, and you can always avoid away to ram another day haha!

Until you get to your higher levels and your higher courage triggers your offensive moves more than your defensive.

News Credits: 1 · by **Absolute Zero** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:24 am

I think strafe/repair is the best combo, you just need a lot of xp to support it... and more high level people to use it on.

News Credits: 42 · by **Psychout** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 8:24 am

Burn wrote:
Optimus Prime007 wrote:Ram/Avoid best of both worlds, Offensive/Defensive, and you can always avoid away to ram another day haha!

Until you get to your higher levels and your higher courage triggers your offensive moves more than your defensive.

Um... Courage doesnt trigger Avoid, its reactive. It only has a chance to activate if you are hit by a melee strike, which is nothing to do with courage. Still sucks at higher levels though because most of the strikes against you are tactic based and Avoid doesnt work on them.
All hail the wisdom of Tammuz!

And Ram/Repair FTW!

News Credits: 3 · by **Name_Violation** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 8:44 am

slip wrote:
Name_Violation wrote:
Burn wrote:Strafe is fine at any level.

The thing with strafe is it's the outside factors (number of targets) that really affect it.

thats not my experience. even with a 10 strafe and a 8 fpr, strafe loves to fire off 1-2 hits a lot more than 6+ hits. whether it against 1 target or 10. But maybe i'm just jinxed

N V sometimes you seriously dissapoint me strafe targets everybody but ignores freindly hits. This is why x POINTS IN STRAFE SOMETIMES EQUALS ONE OR TWO HITS.
Silly me for thinking you learned from your time in bug camp.
Don't think i'm taking it out on you but this is my point repair should have been based off of strafe multi repair and a simpler mechanic.
Disagree, ok well lets look at it ram and strafe rely on two primary stats str/ram or frp/strf. repair wants int and end puls repair plus targets end. Before I go ant further I'll leave it at that and go cast my vote as a con at the levels I'm at for ram/strafe.

So when strafe sucks in a 1 on 1 mission its because i target myself?

by **slip** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:03 am

Name_Violation wrote:
slip wrote:
Name_Violation wrote:
Burn wrote:Strafe is fine at any level.

The thing with strafe is it's the outside factors (number of targets) that really affect it.

thats not my experience. even with a 10 strafe and a 8 fpr, strafe loves to fire off 1-2 hits a lot more than 6+ hits. whether it against 1 target or 10. But maybe i'm just jinxed

N V sometimes you seriously dissapoint me strafe targets everybody but ignores freindly hits. This is why x POINTS IN STRAFE SOMETIMES EQUALS ONE OR TWO HITS.
Silly me for thinking you learned from your time in bug camp.
Don't think i'm taking it out on you but this is my point repair should have been based off of strafe multi repair and a simpler mechanic.
Disagree, ok well lets look at it ram and strafe rely on two primary stats str/ram or frp/strf. repair wants int and end puls repair plus targets end. Before I go ant further I'll leave it at that and go cast my vote as a con at the levels I'm at for ram/strafe.

So when strafe sucks in a 1 on 1 mission its because i target myself?

Targets all bots ignores frienly hits so yes.

by **The Legend** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:44 pm

I voted avoid/ram but it all depends on the missions you enter your guys in.

by **Raphael Prime** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 7:10 pm

I voted Ram/Avoid, simply because it's the one i've had the most success using.

by **Spectral Dragon** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:32 pm

I put Avoid/Strafe. I blame Burn and his over-amped strafers way back in the day. (At least I think it was Burn that had 'em.)

-Memory Lane-

When I first joined up and was blundering around like all Noobs do; I put one of my level 0s in the Heavy Metal War mission which at the time was a 0-11 mission. After the high of getting a lucky shot in got over I noticed a good 90% of the damage done was by one of those said over-amped strafers.

-End Memory Lane-

I've been trying to replicate em ever since.

by **The {Rage Bot}** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:12 am

I pick

WAX ON / WAX OFF

News Credits: 3 · by **Name_Violation** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:16 am

The {Rage Bot} wrote:I pick

WAX ON / WAX OFF

that may be the most intelligent and awesome thing i've seen you post

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:29 am

Spectral Dragon wrote:I put Avoid/Strafe. I blame Burn and his over-amped strafers way back in the day. (At least I think it was Burn that had 'em.)

-Memory Lane-

When I first joined up and was blundering around like all Noobs do; I put one of my level 0s in the Heavy Metal War mission which at the time was a 0-11 mission. After the high of getting a lucky shot in got over I noticed a good 90% of the damage done was by one of those said over-amped strafers.

-End Memory Lane-

I've been trying to replicate em ever since.

2 things

1 - They were never over-amped. I kept my builds within respectable boundaries.
2 - Rarely used Avoid/Strafe. I've always been a big fan of single tactic, plus single tactic strafes are FAR more devestating. :twisted:

News Credits: 7 · by **alldarker** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:36 am

I'd say that every level has it's own perfect combination of tactics. At low levels, the Avoid tactic is good, because the 50 xp Avoid bonus is a relatively good supplement of XP next to the regular XP gained by hitting an opponent. Also, Avoid is influenced by just one main stat: Speed, which makes it relatively cheap to set up.
At higher levels (level 3 to level 6) Avoid becomes less important, and a more offensive tactic like Ram becomes more important. Of course, this has to be matched with both Strength AND Courage main stats to be successful.

The multiple hitting tactics like Repair and Strafe become most useful when you are in missions with plenty of high level teammates and/or opponents. At lower levels, these tactics are hardly worth the XP, as they also require the backing of at least three main stats: Speed, Courage, Intelligence/Firepower. This means you need to have a good amount of XP to make these effective investments.
I've never really experimented with Repair anyhow: I'd imagine that the most lucrative use for Repair is when you are supporting higher level teammates, so that would make their levels another factor in the success of Repair as a tactic.

I've voted for Strafe/Ram because the combination of two offensive Tactics most supports the level of my team as they are right now. Still, having written that, most of my team are in fact tough air animals, which have Avoid and Ram as tactics, including Alldarker, my most succesful 'Bot. Back in the days before the big crash, I built all my 'bots around the strafe tactic, combined with high speed and high courage. It was the best way to (now and again) get BIG points by being able to strafe the level 10 'Cons that I'd never be able to hit by other means. Only in the current HMW have I really reaped the benefits of high Ram combined with high Strength.

What I'm also trying to say is that there is no definite 'best tactic combination': it just depends on the level of the 'bot: not just your own but also of others in the game.