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Posted: **Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:35 pm**

william-james88 wrote:
Deadput wrote:Besides watching the new movies and finishing my titans returns collection I'm done I'm disgusted and depressed by all this.

Wow, really? Thats too bad. I quite like the community we have here, including you of course. I think we are a nice bunch.

I think in the end, the combiner wars cartoon thought us that we the audience wont know what we want unless it is presented to us. The best part of that show was Megatron who was unlike any version we saw before and yet pefectly worked for the character we all have in our heads.

The community here on Seibertron is great and I do love it here especially the parts where we have good discussions on things like what's happening in the future or guessing the origins of a figure's design, don't let my words tell you guys otherwise I'm angry at people like the ones on Facebook and Youtube I don't get how those kind of people can even exist and live with themselves it's people like them that has completely sapped and destroyed my interest in the things I used to love.

I just have to for once actually get away from Transformers for awhile it's not doing me good mentally and it's not just Transformers either it's many things I like such as Star Wars, many video games I used to play like Halo among a few other things.

When it comes to media and entertainment I literally have nothing left I enjoy and that's not an exaggeration I feel miserable and depressed in the last year or two more then I ever have been previously in my life (and I thought physical abuse and being tormented for being mentally disabled was the worse that could happen to me) being raised in a christian family and being very sheltered and spoiled as a kid has not prepared me for the state of the world but it did make me mature and grow up a bit not by much though as you could guess from outbursts like these.

I'm on sites like these to get away from this stuff in the first place not to feel worse about myself, I might comment on Titan Returns and movie news every once in awhile but for now I'm going to take a break and just enjoy being with my family and doing things with them.

Leaving on a positive note Megatron was indeed great he reminded me of the BW version who is obviously the best!

Posted: **Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:06 am**

concrusher792 wrote:
partholon wrote:getting more and more worried grimlock will be protrayed as a moron.

You mean like he is in almost every continuity but the Marvel and IDW comics series and the Shattered Glass universe?

yes.

EXACTLY that.

it'd be typical of bay, whos rejected pretty much everything from the animated series down the years in terms of character to keep the ONE fuking stupid decison they made, which is to reduce grimlock to a moron.

even the video games knew how stupid that was.

grimlocks the brands dirty harry and this is the movieverse. if he fit ANYWHERE it'd be here.

i mean who WANTS moron grimlock? who out there actually shouts "YES this is the character i love most!" when you could have fall of cybertron grimlock, IDW grimlock, Marvel UK grilmock ?

it fecking baffles me yet it looks like once again he's getting jipped.

almost makes me glad he didnt open his mouth in the last one now.

Posted: **Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:21 am**

It'd be super weird to me cos, like, aren't the Dinobots in this supposed to be some super-ancient mystical group of knights? Revered and respected or something? I mean an explanation beyond a single line wasn't given in the movie but I kinda got that idea. It'd just be kind of strange to then see Grimlock stumble about like an idiot.

Posted: **Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:28 am**

partholon wrote:

yes.

EXACTLY that.

it'd be typical of bay, whos rejected pretty much everything from the animated series down the years in terms of character to keep the ONE fuking stupid decison they made, which is to reduce grimlock to a moron.

I know the arguments of fan(natics) can be stupid sometimes but are you actually serious right now?

Jesus I can't even.

Posted: **Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:32 am**

Deadput wrote:
partholon wrote:

yes.

EXACTLY that.

it'd be typical of bay, whos rejected pretty much everything from the animated series down the years in terms of character to keep the ONE fuking stupid decison they made, which is to reduce grimlock to a moron.

I know the arguments of fan(natics) can be stupid sometimes but are you actually serious right now?

Jesus I can't even.

if you prefer moron grimlock good luck to ya.

it was a complete diversion from what the character was meant to be originally which is why he's a badass in the comics and games.

i happen to think MOST would prefer that as a portrayal of the character than another "twins" incident.

Posted: **Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:24 am**

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Posted: **Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:06 am**

Kurona wrote:It'd be super weird to me cos, like, aren't the Dinobots in this supposed to be some super-ancient mystical group of knights? Revered and respected or something? I mean an explanation beyond a single line wasn't given in the movie but I kinda got that idea. It'd just be kind of strange to then see Grimlock stumble about like an idiot.

Heh, the previous movie didn't even give him the kind a respect a revered, noble knight of legend ought to be given, what with Optimus having to punch him in the face and threaten him at sword point to get him to cooperate, and then having Optimus ride him like an animal. Pfft, noble knight my foot.

Posted: **Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:11 am**

Sabrblade wrote:
Kurona wrote:It'd be super weird to me cos, like, aren't the Dinobots in this supposed to be some super-ancient mystical group of knights? Revered and respected or something? I mean an explanation beyond a single line wasn't given in the movie but I kinda got that idea. It'd just be kind of strange to then see Grimlock stumble about like an idiot.
Heh, the previous movie didn't even give him the kind a respect a revered, noble knight of legend ought to be given, what with Optimus having to punch him in the face and threaten him at sword point to get him to cooperate, and then having Optimus ride him like an animal. Pfft, noble knight my foot.

If we're to consider the Dinobots to be this noble mystical thing in this universe, then it's actually pretty consistent. After all, the first thing Movie Optimus did when he ran into a Prime was go straight for the face.

Posted: **Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:13 am**

Kurona wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Kurona wrote:It'd be super weird to me cos, like, aren't the Dinobots in this supposed to be some super-ancient mystical group of knights? Revered and respected or something? I mean an explanation beyond a single line wasn't given in the movie but I kinda got that idea. It'd just be kind of strange to then see Grimlock stumble about like an idiot.
Heh, the previous movie didn't even give him the kind a respect a revered, noble knight of legend ought to be given, what with Optimus having to punch him in the face and threaten him at sword point to get him to cooperate, and then having Optimus ride him like an animal. Pfft, noble knight my foot.

If we're to consider the Dinobots to be this noble mystical thing in this universe, then it's actually pretty consistent. After all, the first thing Movie Optimus did when he ran into a Prime was go straight for the face.

The Fallen was pure evil and genocidal, though.

Posted: **Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:15 am**

Sabrblade wrote:
Kurona wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Kurona wrote:It'd be super weird to me cos, like, aren't the Dinobots in this supposed to be some super-ancient mystical group of knights? Revered and respected or something? I mean an explanation beyond a single line wasn't given in the movie but I kinda got that idea. It'd just be kind of strange to then see Grimlock stumble about like an idiot.
Heh, the previous movie didn't even give him the kind a respect a revered, noble knight of legend ought to be given, what with Optimus having to punch him in the face and threaten him at sword point to get him to cooperate, and then having Optimus ride him like an animal. Pfft, noble knight my foot.

If we're to consider the Dinobots to be this noble mystical thing in this universe, then it's actually pretty consistent. After all, the first thing Movie Optimus did when he ran into a Prime was go straight for the face.
The Fallen was pure evil and genocidal, though.

That's why he ripped off the face rather than punch it. See? Subtle little differences. Guess the movies have more nuance than we give 'em credit for

Posted: **Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:20 am**

Sabrblade wrote:
Kurona wrote:It'd be super weird to me cos, like, aren't the Dinobots in this supposed to be some super-ancient mystical group of knights? Revered and respected or something? I mean an explanation beyond a single line wasn't given in the movie but I kinda got that idea. It'd just be kind of strange to then see Grimlock stumble about like an idiot.
Heh, the previous movie didn't even give him the kind a respect a revered, noble knight of legend ought to be given, what with Optimus having to punch him in the face and threaten him at sword point to get him to cooperate, and then having Optimus ride him like an animal. Pfft, noble knight my foot.

I also felt that was weird. Optimus at first treats them like equals and then beats the crap out of him and threathen to kills him, like those phychos who put a knife to someone's throat and then do a small cut to show how serious they are. Maybe Optimus thought it was a noble knight's steed (which is how the film makers treated that scene as they said in interviews, comparing it to a western when the heroes come in on horses).

Deadput wrote:The community here on Seibertron is great and I do love it here especially the parts where we have good discussions on things like what's happening in the future or guessing the origins of a figure's design, don't let my words tell you guys otherwise I'm angry at people like the ones on Facebook and Youtube I don't get how those kind of people can even exist and live with themselves it's people like them that has completely sapped and destroyed my interest in the things I used to love.

I just have to for once actually get away from Transformers for awhile it's not doing me good mentally and it's not just Transformers either it's many things I like such as Star Wars, many video games I used to play like Halo among a few other things.

You could always ignore it all and just play with your toys and hang out here. Its what i do. I dont have time for youtube due to kids, a job and a wife (guess which one is most demanding :lol:

).

partholon wrote:if you prefer moron grimlock good luck to ya.

it was a complete diversion from what the character was meant to be originally which is why he's a badass in the comics and games.

i happen to think MOST would prefer that as a portrayal of the character than another "twins" incident.

Even if I didnt know how he was originally meant to be, I just want a badass grimlock to go with badass optimus. I am not a big fan of G1 Grimlock. The movies never really followed the G1 characters much so why would they do it now right? I like RID Grimlock though, who is a lot of fun.

Posted: **Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:42 am**

william-james88 wrote:I also felt that was weird. Optimus at first treats them like equals and then beats the crap out of him and threathen to kills him, like those phychos who put a knife to someone's throat and then do a small cut to show how serious they are. Maybe Optimus thought it was a noble knight's steed (which is how the film makers treated that scene as they said in interviews, comparing it to a western when the heroes come in on horses).

Yeah, there was just so much off with that whole introductory scene for the Dinobots. #-o

Posted: **Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:17 am**

Well, it is once again consistent. Movieverse Optimus is not the nicest guy.

Posted: **Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:33 am**

Kurona wrote:Well, it is once again consistent. Movieverse Optimus is not the nicest guy.

Which is ironic, considering how the first movie played him up as the sole Autobot who has absolute hope and faith in humanity, the only one of his team wanting to give them their due respect:

Ironhide: "Why are we fighting to save the humans? They're a primitive, and violent, race."

Optimus: "Were we so different? They're a young species. They have much to learn. but I've seen goodness in them. Freedom is the right of all sentient beings. You all know there's only one way to end this war. We must destroy the cube. If all else fails, I will unite it with the spark in my chest."

Ratchet: "That's suicide. The cube is raw power, it could destroy you both."

Optimus: "A necessary sacrifice to bring peace to this planet. We cannot let the humans pay for our mistakes."

Posted: **Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:43 am**

Sabrblade wrote:
Kurona wrote:Well, it is once again consistent. Movieverse Optimus is not the nicest guy.
Which is ironic, considering how the first movie played him up as the sole Autobot who has absolute hope and faith in humanity, the only one of his team wanting to give them their due respect

I will apply reverse Zangief here (switch 'bad' with 'good').

Posted: **Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:28 pm**

william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Kurona wrote:It'd be super weird to me cos, like, aren't the Dinobots in this supposed to be some super-ancient mystical group of knights? Revered and respected or something? I mean an explanation beyond a single line wasn't given in the movie but I kinda got that idea. It'd just be kind of strange to then see Grimlock stumble about like an idiot.
Heh, the previous movie didn't even give him the kind a respect a revered, noble knight of legend ought to be given, what with Optimus having to punch him in the face and threaten him at sword point to get him to cooperate, and then having Optimus ride him like an animal. Pfft, noble knight my foot.

I also felt that was weird. Optimus at first treats them like equals and then beats the crap out of him and threathen to kills him, like those phychos who put a knife to someone's throat and then do a small cut to show how serious they are. Maybe Optimus thought it was a noble knight's steed (which is how the film makers treated that scene as they said in interviews, comparing it to a western when the heroes come in on horses).

That's how the real world works. Savages only understand savagery, and if you try to treat a bunch of savages respectfully, you're doomed to fail.

Posted: **Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:41 pm**

Bless. *pat-pat*

Posted: **Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:30 pm**

SlyTF1 wrote:That's how the real world works. Savages only understand savagery, and if you try to treat a bunch of savages respectfully, you're doomed to fail.

Posted: **Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:21 pm**

SlyTF1 wrote:
That's how the real world works. Savages only understand savagery, and if you try to treat a bunch of savages respectfully, you're doomed to fail.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind and it's in the top 3 things I hate most with the attitude with humans.

Movies are not real life so they don't need to be exactly like real life movies is escapism not a tool to further ones depression.

Posted: **Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:27 pm**

Aaaanyway, since this is the thread for TLK and not Philosophy discourse...

How's everyone feeling about the yellow robot? Still cannon fodder?

Posted: **Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:34 pm**

Kurona wrote:Aaaanyway, since this is the thread for TLK and not Philosophy discourse...

How's everyone feeling about the yellow robot? Still cannon fodder?

Posted: **Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:55 am**

We reported of a new trailer coming soon, possibly to cinemacon, and now we have other news regarding a new trailer. This time we are told, by Trailer Track on Twitter, that a new trailer for Transformers: The Last Knight will be seen before Beauty and the Beast this week.

This trailer has also been rated PG on the Alberta trailer rating site for those curious of more details:

However, hold onto your excitement since it is also rumoured to be a recut of the original trailer in December, so there may not be new scenes. If you want new scenes though, the recent trailers and clips from the Kids Choice Awards had plenty so you can check those out in the meantime.

Posted: **Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:17 pm**

SlyTF1 wrote:That's how the real world works. Savages only understand savagery, and if you try to treat a bunch of savages respectfully, you're doomed to fail.

You seem to have forgotten the moral that Cade taught Optimus about humanity in AOE:

“Well, What do you think being human means? That’s what we do. We make mistakes. Sometimes out of those mistakes come the most amazing things. When I fixed you, it was for a reward. That was it. That was why. For money. That was me making a mistake. Without it you wouldn’t be here. Even if you’ve got no faith in us, I’m asking to do what I’d do. I’m asking to look at all the junk and see the treasure. You gotta have faith, Prime. In who we can be.”

Posted: **Tue Mar 14, 2017 1:20 pm**

william-james88 wrote:We reported of a new trailer coming soon, possibly to cinemacon, and now we have other news regarding a new trailer. This time we are told, by Trailer Track on Twitter, that a new trailer for Transformers: The Last Knight will be seen before Beauty and the Beast this week.

This trailer has also been rated PG on the Alberta trailer rating site for those curious of more details:

However, hold onto your excitement since it is also rumoured to be a recut of the original trailer in December, so there may not be new scenes. If you want new scenes though, the recent trailers and clips from the Kids Choice Awards had plenty so you can check those out in the meantime.

I generally don't go to movies just to see trailers for OTHER movies

I know they put a lot of work into Beauty/Beast, but in the end, isn't this just a glitzy, live-action remake of a movie everybody's already seen like a gazillion times? At least with Transformers, whatever you may say of Bayverse, the live-action movies have been different than the old shows/movies. It may be grousing, but Beauty/Beast is going to have to do a lot better than, 'buy tickets because Hermoine is in it'....

Posted: **Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:10 pm**

"Canopy's" body seems to resemble that of ROTF Long Haul. Look at the chest, legs, and hands.

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