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Seriously why is this film being made now?

Would it not make more sense to do an individual Autobots vs Decepticons movie sequel to Bumblebee and a individual Beast Wars films to set up these characters before bringing them together to take on the Terrocons?

All the "lack of screen time" issues people complained about before is going to repeat themselves again.

Edit: I'll list a positive, in a vacuum the announced characters do sound cool and I'm grateful their not doing a straight G1 retread, I was hoping for something with a scale similar to the 2007 movie where we had a core group of good guys and bad guys like say 6-7 Autobots vs 7-8 Decepticons.

ZeroWolf wrote:Everyone is largely pleased this isn't connected to the bayverse films...which is weird as I can't find any straight statement on that

It was originally stated on TFW, unfortunately I don't have the original article saved, and it has since been edited

TFW2005 wrote:.Note: additional notes and clarification have been added since the original article was posted.

My guess is something was posted that wasn't supposed to be, or they were just making corrections. Producers are just probably trying to keep their neutral stance, because if they actually pick a side, then no matter what, one group will not be happy. I guess it is better to keep everyone guessing and bickering with each other, even though it's pretty obvious the events in BB don't match up with TF 1-5

o.supreme wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Everyone is largely pleased this isn't connected to the bayverse films...which is weird as I can't find any straight statement on that

It was originally stated on TFW, unfortunately I don't have the original article saved, and it has since been edited

TFW2005 wrote:.Note: additional notes and clarification have been added since the original article was posted.

My guess is something was posted that wasn't supposed to be, or they were just making corrections. Producers are just probably trying to keep their neutral stance, because if they actually pick a side, then no matter what, one group will not be happy. I guess it is better to keep everyone guessing and bickering with each other, even though it's pretty obvious the events in BB don't match up with TF 1-5

Their latest edit confirms this film is part of the Bayverse:

"This will show how Optimus becomes the leader he was in Bay movies. "

I guess they went the prequel route afterall.

Ryan said the same in his assessment for our site.

Also to be fully honest with all of you, what intrigues me most now is the toyline.

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Everyone is largely pleased this isn't connected to the bayverse films...which is weird as I can't find any straight statement on that

It was originally stated on TFW, unfortunately I don't have the original article saved, and it has since been edited

TFW2005 wrote:.Note: additional notes and clarification have been added since the original article was posted.

My guess is something was posted that wasn't supposed to be, or they were just making corrections. Producers are just probably trying to keep their neutral stance, because if they actually pick a side, then no matter what, one group will not be happy. I guess it is better to keep everyone guessing and bickering with each other, even though it's pretty obvious the events in BB don't match up with TF 1-5

Their latest edit confirms this film is part of the Bayverse:

"This will show how Optimus becomes the leader he was in Bay movies. "

I guess they went the prequel route afterall.

Ryan said the same in his assessment for our site.

william-james88 wrote:This will show how Optimus becomes the leader he was in Bay movies.

Which makes no sense. Optimus first arrives in 2007. "We learned Earth's languages from the World Wide Web" - while the military had the internet in the 80s, there was no WWW in 1987, do he must have been referring to his arrival in 2007.( They even talk about using the Decepticon tech to build it in the BB movie)

o.supreme wrote:

william-james88 wrote:This will show how Optimus becomes the leader he was in Bay movies.

Which makes no sense. Optimus first arrives in 2007. "We learned Earth's languages from the World Wide Web" - while the military had the internet in the 80s, there was no WWW in 1987, do he must have been referring to his arrival in 2007.( They even talk about using the Decepticon tech to build it in the BB movie)

Continuity, good writing and character focus isn't important compared to big spectacle/action, getting butts into seats and money into wallets.

They don't see the Transformers as "characters" truly, just talking cgi plot-convenience making machines.


Not that the former 3 things are "needed" for an entertaining film but for me personally we already got 5 films where the majority of those things were not featured.

This film sounds like a feature/character crammed disaster waiting to happen if they pull it off wrong.

o.supreme wrote:

william-james88 wrote:This will show how Optimus becomes the leader he was in Bay movies.

Which makes no sense. Optimus first arrives in 2007. "We learned Earth's languages from the World Wide Web" - while the military had the internet in the 80s, there was no WWW in 1987, do he must have been referring to his arrival in 2007.( They even talk about using the Decepticon tech to build it in the BB movie)

Just say that he was never speaking English in the Bumblebee movie, and that what we heard him speak was merely for our benefit.

After all, it's not like the Transformers were all speaking Earth English on Cybertron 4 million years before ever coming to Earth back in the first episode of the G1 cartoon.

Sabrblade wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

william-james88 wrote:This will show how Optimus becomes the leader he was in Bay movies.

Which makes no sense. Optimus first arrives in 2007. "We learned Earth's languages from the World Wide Web" - while the military had the internet in the 80s, there was no WWW in 1987, do he must have been referring to his arrival in 2007.( They even talk about using the Decepticon tech to build it in the BB movie)

Just say that he was never speaking English in the Bumblebee movie, and that what we heard him speak was merely for our benefit.

After all, it's not like the Transformers were all speaking Earth English on Cybertron 4 million years before ever coming to Earth back in the first episode of the G1 cartoon.

What about them speaking English in this movie? There are human characters here after all.

o.supreme wrote:

william-james88 wrote:This will show how Optimus becomes the leader he was in Bay movies.

Which makes no sense. Optimus first arrives in 2007. "We learned Earth's languages from the World Wide Web" - while the military had the internet in the 80s, there was no WWW in 1987, do he must have been referring to his arrival in 2007.( They even talk about using the Decepticon tech to build it in the BB movie)

The films have never been consistent. Remember how Bee's voice was fixed at the end of the first one? Plus, Bay directed The Last Knight which already rewrote the history of TFs (first contact, ect). We know Hot Rod was speaking English back in the 40s, and he was teamed with Bumblebee. So everything is on the table.
Any inconsistency you raise simply further confirms this must be a Bayverse film.

Deadput wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

william-james88 wrote:This will show how Optimus becomes the leader he was in Bay movies.

Which makes no sense. Optimus first arrives in 2007. "We learned Earth's languages from the World Wide Web" - while the military had the internet in the 80s, there was no WWW in 1987, do he must have been referring to his arrival in 2007.( They even talk about using the Decepticon tech to build it in the BB movie)

Just say that he was never speaking English in the Bumblebee movie, and that what we heard him speak was merely for our benefit.

After all, it's not like the Transformers were all speaking Earth English on Cybertron 4 million years before ever coming to Earth back in the first episode of the G1 cartoon.

What about them speaking English in this movie? There are human characters here after all.

They spoke English in the 1940s, in a film directed by Bay.

william-james88 wrote:
They spoke English in the 1940s, in a film directed by Bay.

Was this TLK I don't remember anything else besides that period? This is presuming that they actually spoke to the humans instead of alt means of communication.

Then again Soundwave also got Nasa shout down back in the 60-80s so that point is moot anyways, not that I think the "learn from the world wide web" was the only possible means of learning the language.

Also TLK is a garbage film and should be the reason the Bay continuity should of been finished with DOTM.

Oh! It just hit me! Sam was asking about how Jazz spoke Earth slang, and Optimus's response of "We've learned Earth's languages from the World Wide Web" could be retroactively applied to that particular inquiry, about Jazz speaking slang rather than English in general.

Plus, it could be that they learned other languages besides English via the Internet, while learning English earlier.

That works.

I was never much up in arms about the "Earth wide web" thing, because it's not like they couldn't learn a language naturally like we could, the line at the time was so the Transformers could learn our languages instantly so we didn't waste time in the story with the presumption that they only just got here.

Sabrblade wrote:Oh! It just hit me! Sam was asking about how Jazz spoke Earth slang, and Optimus's response of "We've learned Earth's languages from the World Wide Web" could be retroactively applied to that particular inquiry, about Jazz speaking slang rather than English in general.

Plus, it could be that they learned other languages besides English via the Internet, while learning English earlier.

Yeah Sam was specifically asking about the use of slang. Not sure Optimus understood the query though. But whatever, Bee was a Bayverse film, so being part of that continuity just means Bee will have that Bsyverse face and talk through a radio, not much more than that.

You all are really trying to grasp straws aren't you . But that ok. If you want to say a series of films full of incoherence, is evidence of shared continuity go for it. I just want a decent film. Not saying being connected to TF 1-5 makes it impossible to be good, but it would certainly be easier if they made a clean break and started over.

Bumblebee was a decent film.

o.supreme wrote:You all are really trying to grasp straws aren't you . But that ok. If you want to say a series of films full of incoherence, is evidence of shared continuity go for it. I just want a decent film. Not saying being connected to TF 1-5 makes it impossible to be good, but it would certainly be easier if they made a clean break and started over.

The Bee film was connected to TF 1-5 and it was good, this could be too.

Bumblebee was a great reboot film.

Japanese title is ビースト覚醒 (Bīsuto Kakusei), meaning "Beast Awakening":

https://twitter.com/tf_autobot/status/1407533871646846981

ZeroWolf wrote:Everyone is largely pleased this isn't connected to the bayverse films...which is weird as I can't find any straight statement on that

They definitely made it sound like it was a continuation of the Bayverse universe. It's 7 years after the Bumblebee movie. Bumblebee has his Classic Camaro mode that he got at the end of the Bumblebee Movie, except this time around it's got an offroad package similar to this offroad package shown below but on a vintage 1970s Camaro.

I had a mildly passing interest before, but this just makes it an easy pass. Shame, a Beast Wars movie could have been done well, considering the great stories and characters.

Seibertron wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Everyone is largely pleased this isn't connected to the bayverse films...which is weird as I can't find any straight statement on that

They definitely made it sound like it was a continuation of the Bayverse universe. It's 7 years after the Bumblebee movie. Bumblebee has his Classic Camaro mode that he got at the end of the Bumblebee Movie, except this time around it's got an offroad package similar to this offroad package shown below but on a vintage 1970s Camaro.

Thanks for the clarification Ryan!

OSupreme@ who knows, maybe the end of this film will reboot the franchise to fit in with the plans for the hasbro verse

I assume they are going to ignore that BB started off in the '07 film as the yellow VW Beetle?

Anyway:

5 factions mentioned so far.

This is the part that concerns me. That means at least two factions (Decepticons and Predacons, I think are a safe bet) will be thrown under the bus or used as fodder. Bumblebee worked because the idea that 'less was more' adhered to the roster.

Seibertron wrote:Lorenzo said Mirage has always been able to transform into other vehicles. Not sure what he was talking about?

Perfect summary of anything said by these producers before a movie release. They're like an anti-hype crew