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Posted: **Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:41 pm**

I direct your attention to page 3 of this thread, Sabrblade's second post on the page shows some significant size difference between Tigatron and Cheetor, the latter roughly coming up to the former's chest

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Posted: **Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:56 pm**

Ironhidensh wrote:I'll believe it when I see it.

Me too. While I dont think it will be a straight up redeco, I do feel this will be an inferno/grappel scenario. Where the robot mode is very similar but the alt mode has lots of different parts to change the type of vehicle it is. Tigertron will most likely be a reshell, at leas thats what I believe.

Posted: **Sat Feb 25, 2017 3:04 pm**

wilcosu35 wrote:I direct your attention to page 3 of this thread, Sabrblade's second post on the page shows some significant size difference between Tigatron and Cheetor, the latter roughly coming up to the former's chest

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Actually, now that I look at that image, you see Tigatron's upper body doesn't look much larger. Just his head and legs looks much bigger.

Edit: And like I said before, the legs would be easy to do new parts for because they are also the legs in alt mode, and would need to be changed anyway. So, yay! It's easier than I thought!

Posted: **Sat Feb 25, 2017 3:31 pm**

wilcosu35 wrote:I direct your attention to page 3 of this thread, Sabrblade's second post on the page shows some significant size difference between Tigatron and Cheetor, the latter roughly coming up to the former's chest

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I also direct your attention to the toys, which I have sitting in front of me right now (I dug them out of Tupperware to make sure), that were straight up repaints of each other. I stress, repaints. Every single part is identical. Not one single deviation, other than paint.

Posted: **Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:35 pm**

Ironhidensh wrote:
wilcosu35 wrote:I direct your attention to page 3 of this thread, Sabrblade's second post on the page shows some significant size difference between Tigatron and Cheetor, the latter roughly coming up to the former's chest

transformers-masterpiece-beast-wars-cheetor-discussion-t106911s50.php

I also direct your attention to the toys, which I have sitting in front of me right now (I dug them out of Tupperware to make sure), that were straight up repaints of each other. I stress, repaints. Every single part is identical. Not one single deviation, other than paint.

The point is that the media depictions, mostly the cartoons, are taken as the primary base for Masterpiece, not the original toys. Case in point: Lambor with Alert and the Datsun/Fairlady Z trio. The original toys were retools, and only with the outer car shells. The cartoons however gave more differences in robot mode, which were translated into the Masterpiece toys we have now. Toy features do get nods, as Ironhide as shown.

How will that affect a possible Tigatron? Parts will be switched out to make the cheetah into a tiger as per usual. Normally that would do it, but his mean size in the cartoon poses a bit of a problem, but I suspect TakaraTomy has taken that into account: by making the parts switched out slightly larger in places (hardly noticeable even), the sum of the differences could make up the difference in height, tho the result may not be perfect.

Posted: **Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:46 pm**

Like I said above, everything on Cheetor's and Tigatron's upper bodies look almost the same size. It's the length of Tigatron's legs that really makes him look much bigger. This means it's quite possible that all they'll have to do is make longer and bulkier lower legs for Tigatron.

Posted: **Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:57 pm**

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:
wilcosu35 wrote:I direct your attention to page 3 of this thread, Sabrblade's second post on the page shows some significant size difference between Tigatron and Cheetor, the latter roughly coming up to the former's chest

transformers-masterpiece-beast-wars-cheetor-discussion-t106911s50.php

I also direct your attention to the toys, which I have sitting in front of me right now (I dug them out of Tupperware to make sure), that were straight up repaints of each other. I stress, repaints. Every single part is identical. Not one single deviation, other than paint.

The point is that the media depictions, mostly the cartoons, are taken as the primary base for Masterpiece, not the original toys. Case in point: Lambor with Alert and the Datsun/Fairlady Z trio. The original toys were retools, and only with the outer car shells. The cartoons however gave more differences in robot mode, which were translated into the Masterpiece toys we have now. Toy features do get nods, as Ironhide as shown.

How will that affect a possible Tigatron? Parts will be switched out to make the cheetah into a tiger as per usual. Normally that would do it, but his mean size in the cartoon poses a bit of a problem, but I suspect TakaraTomy has taken that into account: by making the parts switched out slightly larger in places (hardly noticeable even), the sum of the differences could make up the difference in height, tho the result may not be perfect.

I think you have too much faith. I have no doubt some parts will change to look more like a tiger, but mark my words, the sizes will be the exact same.

Posted: **Sat Feb 25, 2017 7:03 pm**

Ironhidensh wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:
wilcosu35 wrote:I direct your attention to page 3 of this thread, Sabrblade's second post on the page shows some significant size difference between Tigatron and Cheetor, the latter roughly coming up to the former's chest

transformers-masterpiece-beast-wars-cheetor-discussion-t106911s50.php

I also direct your attention to the toys, which I have sitting in front of me right now (I dug them out of Tupperware to make sure), that were straight up repaints of each other. I stress, repaints. Every single part is identical. Not one single deviation, other than paint.

The point is that the media depictions, mostly the cartoons, are taken as the primary base for Masterpiece, not the original toys. Case in point: Lambor with Alert and the Datsun/Fairlady Z trio. The original toys were retools, and only with the outer car shells. The cartoons however gave more differences in robot mode, which were translated into the Masterpiece toys we have now. Toy features do get nods, as Ironhide as shown.

How will that affect a possible Tigatron? Parts will be switched out to make the cheetah into a tiger as per usual. Normally that would do it, but his mean size in the cartoon poses a bit of a problem, but I suspect TakaraTomy has taken that into account: by making the parts switched out slightly larger in places (hardly noticeable even), the sum of the differences could make up the difference in height, tho the result may not be perfect.

I think you have too much faith. I have no doubt some parts will change to look more like a tiger, but mark my words, the sizes will be the exact same.

Don't underestimate the power of the Schwartz!

And we're not saying it will happen, instead we're saying it may happen.

Posted: **Sat Feb 25, 2017 7:22 pm**

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:
wilcosu35 wrote:I direct your attention to page 3 of this thread, Sabrblade's second post on the page shows some significant size difference between Tigatron and Cheetor, the latter roughly coming up to the former's chest

transformers-masterpiece-beast-wars-cheetor-discussion-t106911s50.php

I also direct your attention to the toys, which I have sitting in front of me right now (I dug them out of Tupperware to make sure), that were straight up repaints of each other. I stress, repaints. Every single part is identical. Not one single deviation, other than paint.

The point is that the media depictions, mostly the cartoons, are taken as the primary base for Masterpiece, not the original toys. Case in point: Lambor with Alert and the Datsun/Fairlady Z trio. The original toys were retools, and only with the outer car shells. The cartoons however gave more differences in robot mode, which were translated into the Masterpiece toys we have now. Toy features do get nods, as Ironhide as shown.

How will that affect a possible Tigatron? Parts will be switched out to make the cheetah into a tiger as per usual. Normally that would do it, but his mean size in the cartoon poses a bit of a problem, but I suspect TakaraTomy has taken that into account: by making the parts switched out slightly larger in places (hardly noticeable even), the sum of the differences could make up the difference in height, tho the result may not be perfect.

I think you have too much faith. I have no doubt some parts will change to look more like a tiger, but mark my words, the sizes will be the exact same.

Don't underestimate the power of the Schwartz!

And we're not saying it will happen, instead we're saying it may happen.

And also, I think it's wrong to say it will NOT happen, because you are playing roulette with a company that's known for their innovation and modifying of figures we never imagined them even ATTEMPTING to modify. (Case in point: Takara's Legends Super Ginrai. Remember that toy? They HEAVILY modified the Hasbro version's legs to make him taller, AND added the ability to combine with another little thing called Godbomber. It would've been EASY to just recolor him in a more accurate deco, but NOPE. They went all the way.) Takara Tomy is known for being quality and accuracy over quantity and simplicity of alternate character reformatting. ESPECIALLY in the Masterpiece line. So if they make a Tigatron, and they make it cartoon accurate, I'm betting they'll put in a little extra effort into it and AT LEAST make the legs longer in robot mode.

Also another point: If I recall correctly, the original Tigatron toy design was determined BEFORE his appearance in the cartoon. That means the animators took the toy design and modified him to be larger. So that means it wasn't the toy designers being lazy, but the animators being too creative with the design.

Posted: **Sat Feb 25, 2017 7:29 pm**

Yeah, about that... Tigatron was a replacement character, really: his original role was first cast for Wolfang. But since it's cheaper to adapt an existing model over making a new one from scratch, and a tiger-themed redeco was planned (just in orange instead of white), Tigatron happened.

Posted: **Sat Feb 25, 2017 8:10 pm**

Well, like I said earlier, I hope you guys are right, but I'm not holding my breath. In other news. ...

International shipping is fun. My Cheetor left Japan at 9:44pm today (tonight, 36 minutes from now local time), arrived in Alaska at 10:33 this morning, was released from customs at 12:44pm, and left Alaska at 4:16pm.... 5 hours and 38 minutes before it even left Japan! I wish my kids were older so I could make them think I knew a time lord. :lol:

Posted: **Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:31 pm**

Insurgent wrote:As for the cgi... Yeah i can understand how it looks dated. But for the second ever show to ever be made from cgi, when it was in it's infancy, it was groundbreaking at the time.

Indeed. Modern audiences are spoiled by the CGI of today.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:I know it was early CGI but even then it just looked horrendous to me and really off-putting. Amazes me that even now you get CGI cartoons that just lack a sense of 'life' to them in their environments (I tried watching Beware the Batman and Gotham felt so empty and hollow... not a city at all but just cheap looking backdrops). Even now I still far prefer 2D animation over 3D. I'd take the classic era Disney over Pixar anyday.

2D over 3D preferences I understand, but the notion about "lifeless environments" kinda misses the point of having Beast Wars (and Beast Machines, for that matter) set within the circumstantial setting it was placed in. An undeveloped, prehistoric planet almost completely devoid of human life is supposed to feel empty and lifeless. Whereas, making the same argument for something like TF: Prime would feel more justified since that show did go out of its way to put the Autobot/Decepticon mission scenes in pretty much only the most remote, uninhabited sections of the planet, deliberately avoiding populated areas as much as possible... except for when it needed to place the action within populated towns and cities that more often than not looked almost completely abandoned (even New York City!). I think there were only two episodes in the entire series where we actually saw a crowd of civilians in Jasper. But I digress. Beast Wars's world, however, was supposed to be empty. Even Beast Wars Second was set on a humanless world and it was in 2D.

Posted: **Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:38 am**

One of the things we have yet to see with Takara Tomy Masterpiece Transformers MP-34 Cheetor / Cheetus is the Hasbro Asia added accessory to the pack. No longer the collector coin, as we know, we now have diecast minifigures of other Transformers characters in the MP line - and Cheetor includes the big bot himself, Optimus Primal! Check it out below, via Autobase Aichi.

Posted: **Sun Feb 26, 2017 3:05 pm**

Why's Optimus Prime on the packaging?

Posted: **Sun Feb 26, 2017 3:51 pm**

SillySpringer wrote:Why's Optimus Prime on the packaging?

He is on all the packaging of these minifigures.

Posted: **Sun Feb 26, 2017 3:53 pm**

SillySpringer wrote:Why's Optimus Prime on the packaging?

Because...that's just Prime. 8-)

Posted: **Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:04 pm**

Sigma Magnus wrote:
SillySpringer wrote:Why's Optimus Prime on the packaging?

Because...that's just Prime.

Posted: **Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:39 pm**

Sigma Magnus wrote:
SillySpringer wrote:Why's Optimus Prime on the packaging?

Because...that's just Prime.

because prime is prime and primes a prime

Posted: **Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:08 pm**

I don't have time today to open this guy up, as I'm time limited and chose Grapple to play with instead. Looks very awesome, and I may give in tonight, after all, who needs sleep?

Posted: **Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:02 pm**

Our own DecepticonFinishline has brought to our attention two videos reviews of MP-34 Cheetor. Baltmatrix and Rob A give us an up close look at this highly detailed figure. Cheetor comes with multiple heads for both robot and beast mode. If you would prefer still images please check out some of our in hand image gallery for this figure in comparison with MP32 Optimus Primal.

Posted: **Tue Feb 28, 2017 9:30 am**

Good review guys I skipped past articulation waste of my time to see,.

Not fan of beast wars figures like to see Takara make megatron master piece figure

Posted: **Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:14 am**

So Cheetor is pretty freaking awesome. Quality is on par with the bigger 3rd party companies, not the cheap laziness I've come to half expect from Takara. They really did an excellent job.

Posted: **Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:44 am**

Just a little warning to be careful with him.

Posted: **Tue Feb 28, 2017 1:57 pm**

Wow, he even has an anus just under his tail.

Posted: **Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:03 pm**

Kurona wrote:Just a little warning to be careful with him.

I've changed him a couple times now, I'm calling serious ham fisting here.

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