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Sabrblade wrote:

aronjlove wrote:I know there have been leaks and other stuff, but how exactly is this going to happen? If this trilogy, like the previous, is following a storyline, how does Earthrise end that leads into Beast Wars??? Kingdom can just as easily mean Megatron rules Cybertron as his kingdom, especially if he reformats everyone into Decepticons.

Chronologically, the Beast Wars took place on Earth after the Ark and Nemesis crash-landed there and before the Autobots and Decepticons awoke from their slumber. The story of Earthrise is the Ark and Nemesis's journey to Earth through space, culminating in the ships crash-landing there.

Put that way, This makes a lot more sense.

william-james88 wrote:Simple, its because abosolutely no one informed the staff of this. So I see something new online, I make a new thread and done. No time to wasted.

Also, that source is not the only one to have seen some stuff, but everything must remain a rumour until we have proof.

Well, *I* didn't report the rumors because they were still in their hearsay stages. It wasn't until the SS Leader Slag w/ Daniel listing came about that these Kingdom rumors had any kind of tangible validity to them. And even then, that was just one thing the guy got right. There needed to be more confirmations or something more concrete to this in order for these rumors to feel legit enough to be newsworthy.

After all, you guys don't just go posting news about any old rumors. Any guy on the Internet can claim to have super secret inside sources and call any nonsense "rumors". You guys go for the real deal. And up until very recently, these Kingdom rumors hadn't quite gotten there yet for news-reporting.

Quantum Surge wrote:Next up, hopefully Armada remakes!

I would really, Really, Really like that.

So now that I have some context for what's going on, I have some questions.

Why make Hot Rod a voyager if Rodimus Prime is a leader, unless they are in fact the same figure except one has a trailer? I would have preferred Deluxe Hot Rod.

While Scourge being a Voyager isn't a shock, IIRC that Cyclonus we saw looked almost like a Deluxe. Anybody else have that feeling?

sol magnus wrote:Why make Hot Rod a voyager if Rodimus Prime is a leader, unless they are in fact the same figure except one has a trailer? I would have preferred Deluxe Hot Rod.

SS Hot Rod is rumored to come with a ton of accessories like the arm saw and visor, which might bump the plastic parts count up to Voyager class.

sol magnus wrote:While Scourge being a Voyager isn't a shock, IIRC that Cyclonus we saw looked almost like a Deluxe. Anybody else have that feeling?

Looked like a Voyager to me.

Sabrblade wrote:

sol magnus wrote:Why make Hot Rod a voyager if Rodimus Prime is a leader, unless they are in fact the same figure except one has a trailer? I would have preferred Deluxe Hot Rod.

SS Hot Rod is rumored to come with a ton of accessories like the arm saw and visor, which might bump the plastic parts count up to Voyager class.

I guess we'll see. I'd be okay with that.

Sabrblade wrote:

sol magnus wrote:While Scourge being a Voyager isn't a shock, IIRC that Cyclonus we saw looked almost like a Deluxe. Anybody else have that feeling?

Looked like a Voyager to me.

I could very well be misremembering. I've not seen the photo in a good long time.

sol magnus wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

sol magnus wrote:While Scourge being a Voyager isn't a shock, IIRC that Cyclonus we saw looked almost like a Deluxe. Anybody else have that feeling?

Looked like a Voyager to me.

I could very well be misremembering. I've not seen the photo in a good long time.

I don’t even think I’ve seen what this rumored Scourge looks like, only that one leak with Maverick, Thrust, Cyclonus, (Earth mode?) Soundwave and Hubcap.

Mindmaster wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

sol magnus wrote:While Scourge being a Voyager isn't a shock, IIRC that Cyclonus we saw looked almost like a Deluxe. Anybody else have that feeling?

Looked like a Voyager to me.

I could very well be misremembering. I've not seen the photo in a good long time.

I don’t even think I’ve seen what this rumored Scourge looks like, only that one leak with Maverick, Thrust, Cyclonus, (Earth mode?) Soundwave and Hubcap.

No, photo is of the Cyclonus (but it wasn't an Earth mode).

sol magnus wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

sol magnus wrote:While Scourge being a Voyager isn't a shock, IIRC that Cyclonus we saw looked almost like a Deluxe. Anybody else have that feeling?

Looked like a Voyager to me.

I could very well be misremembering. I've not seen the photo in a good long time.

I don’t even think I’ve seen what this rumored Scourge looks like, only that one leak with Maverick, Thrust, Cyclonus, (Earth mode?) Soundwave and Hubcap.

No, photo is of the Cyclonus (but it wasn't an Earth mode).

Ah, my mistake. I was referring to the potential Soundwave having an Earth mode, sorry

sol magnus wrote:So now that I have some context for what's going on, I have some questions.

Why make Hot Rod a voyager if Rodimus Prime is a leader, unless they are in fact the same figure except one has a trailer? I would have preferred Deluxe Hot Rod.

While Scourge being a Voyager isn't a shock, IIRC that Cyclonus we saw looked almost like a Deluxe. Anybody else have that feeling?

Also, it should be noted that Hot Rod and Rodimus are in 2 different lines. Each line has it's own scale and different classes as well as different definitions of classes (such as leader class). I wouldn't compare the two that readily. A studio series voyager could be just a head taller than a WFC deluxe.

william-james88 wrote:

sol magnus wrote:So now that I have some context for what's going on, I have some questions.

Why make Hot Rod a voyager if Rodimus Prime is a leader, unless they are in fact the same figure except one has a trailer? I would have preferred Deluxe Hot Rod.

While Scourge being a Voyager isn't a shock, IIRC that Cyclonus we saw looked almost like a Deluxe. Anybody else have that feeling?

Also, it should be noted that Hot Rod and Rodimus are in 2 different lines. Each line has it's own scale and different classes as well as different definitions of classes (such as leader class). I wouldn't compare the two that readily. A studio series voyager could be just a head taller than a WFC deluxe.

Good point. Really good point.

Here's a crazy idea, what if Hasbro decided to tie WfC 3 into the 86 movie line by setting it directly after Unicron's destruction thus Rodimus and friends time travel adventure is just the season 3 episode that never was.

Speaking of The Agenda, that is the perfect place to insert this kind of set up. When BW Megs blew Prime's head off and time began to unravel. A Beast Wars adaptation of Time Wars.

Have any of these rumours specified alt-modes? The G1 time travellers might not have vehicle modes, after all. Alternatively they might enter in at the Transmetal stage, as with The Agenda.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Have any of these rumours specified alt-modes? The G1 time travellers might not have vehicle modes, after all. Alternatively they might enter in at the Transmetal stage, as with The Agenda.

Rumors have mentioned Rodimus having a trailer, while Scorponok being rumored at all suggests Season 1 Maximals and Predacons (which would make sense for the brand unification since Japan liked BW Season 1 the best).

Was it ever said what they didn't like about the future seasons?

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Simple, its because abosolutely no one informed the staff of this. So I see something new online, I make a new thread and done. No time to wasted.

Also, that source is not the only one to have seen some stuff, but everything must remain a rumour until we have proof.

Well, *I* didn't report the rumors because they were still in their hearsay stages. It wasn't until the SS Leader Slag w/ Daniel listing came about that these Kingdom rumors had any kind of tangible validity to them. And even then, that was just one thing the guy got right. There needed to be more confirmations or something more concrete to this in order for these rumors to feel legit enough to be newsworthy.

After all, you guys don't just go posting news about any old rumors. Any guy on the Internet can claim to have super secret inside sources and call any nonsense "rumors". You guys go for the real deal. And up until very recently, these Kingdom rumors hadn't quite gotten there yet for news-reporting.

exactly, so seeing this as newsworthy now, I posted it not knowing that it was already being discussed. It'll be merged eventually, it's all good.

Sabrblade wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Have any of these rumours specified alt-modes? The G1 time travellers might not have vehicle modes, after all. Alternatively they might enter in at the Transmetal stage, as with The Agenda.

Rumors have mentioned Rodimus having a trailer, while Scorponok being rumored at all suggests Season 1 Maximals and Predacons (which would make sense for the brand unification since Japan liked BW Season 1 the best).

Oh I see. A pity though. As we could have had some original alt-modes for Rodimus and co. On the other hand, Scorponok... Ewww

ZeroWolf wrote:Was it ever said what they didn't like about the future seasons?

It's weird. The closer they got to looking more like traditional Transformers, the less the Japanese fanbase liked it.

ZeroWolf wrote:Was it ever said what they didn't like about the future seasons?

Not sure, but the Metals line flopped over there.

Maybe they liked the organic beast modes more.

Or maybe Metals just took too long getting there since Takara wanted to wait until Season 3 was done before airing both seasons in one go over there (as Season 2 was too short to air on Japanese television by itself) and the luster just died out in the wait time that was filled by BW Second and Neo.

Either way, Car Robots did reignite the spark of Transformers over there.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:It's weird. The closer they got to looking more like traditional Transformers, the less the Japanese fanbase liked it.

Also, weird. Takara pretty much singlehandedly drove the nostalgia wave of 'traditional Transformers' for years.

Sabrblade wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Have any of these rumours specified alt-modes? The G1 time travellers might not have vehicle modes, after all. Alternatively they might enter in at the Transmetal stage, as with The Agenda.

Rumors have mentioned Rodimus having a trailer, while Scorponok being rumored at all suggests Season 1 Maximals and Predacons (which would make sense for the brand unification since Japan liked BW Season 1 the best).

Also G1 Inferno from the ER Grapple mold, so vehicle modes for the G1 component are probably a given.

I reiterate, that's why Beast Machines (or maybe even Transtech) would have worked a lot better. Season One Beasties and standard G1 will clash aesthetically.

Sabrblade wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Was it ever said what they didn't like about the future seasons?

Not sure, but the Metals line flopped over there.

Maybe they liked the organic beast modes more.

Or maybe Metals just took too long getting there since Takara wanted to wait until Season 3 was done before airing both seasons in one go over there (as Season 2 was too short to air on Japanese television by itself) and the luster just died out in the wait time that was filled by BW Second and Neo.

Either way, Car Robots did reignite the spark of Transformers over there.

Thanks for the information Sabr.

Before we make judgement on the aesthetics of the line, how about we wait and see what the figures look like (given last year's approach we could see them in October unless we get more leaks)

Maybe they want them to clash to highlight the difference.

Move along.

Before I go off on an incoherent rant, let me preface everything I’m about to say with this: I truly do enjoy Beast Wars. It came out when I was in college and reignited my enjoyment for a brand, I thought dead, especially after G2. I enjoyed the show and the toys, and I hope they do get a well-deserved comeback, an entirely trilogy of Generations toys would be great. However, I am also a fan of seeing things through to the finish, which is what frustrates me about Hasbro. They always seem to leave things behind unresolved. Some obvious omissions are released in time and others are not. PotP gets cut short, Siege gets an extra wave, and an unforeseen Pandemic is messing with everything else since.

I’m sure this was not the plan initially, but looking back on the Prime Wars Trilogy, and what we are in the middle of now (WFC), in many ways it mirrors the original series. The original Series (in the United States at least), had 7 years of product from 1984-1990. These current 6 product lines, encompassing 2 Trilogies began in 2015, and *hopefully* will conclude late 2021/early 2022, barring real world situations, is in MY EYES basically The Original Series AGAIN, 30 years later. This time however, instead of being driven by an Animated Series and to a lesser extent, a comic book, sales are driven almost purely by nostalgia. (The Animated Series and comic books supporting these lines are dubious at best) I’d like to see Hasbro finish out releasing as many previously overlooked characters from the 84-90 original run in these 3 lines as can be done. Of course, there are many legendary characters that are released in every line, if not multiple times over the past few years, but there are still many that aren’t.

Early last year, WFC part 2 was rumored to be “Armageddon” which proved to be false, although some of the toys product that was rumored did in fact come true. My point is this. There are plenty enough characters still in the 84-90 line (especially if you include Japanese and European characters), that haven’t had a release yet, that we don’t need Beast Wars…just yet. It’s a tricky thing, because I appreciate how the fandom wants to celebrate BW 25th in 2021 with something BIG! And rightfully so. But…I’d much rather just finish up WFC, get as many classic characters as we can out of the 3rd and last part (as many mentioned I’d still prefer a futuristic Victory type setting with a mix of Victory, and older characters), then be done. Let the floodgates open in 2022 for BW, and whatever else the fans want. It would be fitting in my eyes.

The one caveat I will throw in is this...If BW characters do end up being included in the 3rd part of the WFC trilogy, then I think the Selects line should be dedicated then, and moving forward, only to original 84-90 characters that hadn't been released previously.

You're forgetting one thing o.supreme, 2021 is also the movies 35th anniversary hence the SS 86 figures and why Rodimus is likely involved in WfC 3rd part. Also there will be BW characters in Selects as well, it's inevitable. They're not going to do all those beast wars molds and not reuse them again. Plus who says 2022 isn't the year that more characters you want will see the day? They'll never stop doing G1 it seems.