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Yeah hopefully Hasbro will take notice and make better choices moving forward. I think 4 Haslabs per year is about the limit ( also none should cross over) but less would be ok as well.

Transformers and GI Joe are proven successes for Hasbro, but Hubris and a bad choice could lead to a failed Haslab at any time, so they still have to be careful.

Also while Star Wars and Marvel are licensed from Disney, I think there are still plenty of potential projects that would make great Haslabs for both. It's just that Hasbro has to have the courage to give Disney more constructive criticism if rumors about them pushing certain items is true.

Lastly, with other toy companies getting into the crowdfunding space ( Mattel Creations) there is less money to go around there as well.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

King Kuuga wrote:Deathsaurus has officially surpassed the Engine of Vengeance in less than 48 hours.

Haslab Deathsaurus vs EOV.png

It'll be real funny if Deathsaurus is the only haslab of the current 3 to fund

This comment aged like a fine wine, as Deathsaurus closes in on the final stretch goal while EOV and Heroscape both failed to get enough support.

King Kuuga wrote:Meanwhile Deathsaurus is currently sitting at 5325 out of 11,000, just under 50%. After 4 and a half days. There's no early bird incentives so I expect it will slow down a bit, but should hopefully be fully funded by the end of November. If we're lucky, it'll be much sooner.

More old comment revisitation! This prediction did come true, as Deathsaurus passed the production minimum on November 28.

King Kuuga wrote:Lastly, Heroscape is crawling along with 3087 backers out of 8000 needed and 2 weeks to go. I don't think it's going to make it, but as I said before, it'll be interesting to watch.

It was interesting. An interesting flop.


At time of writing, Deathsaurus has just over 200 to go to reach the final stretch goal and will certainly achieve that.

With the end of the Deathsaurus Campaign last night, here are some more fun stats:

Haslab Items in order of success/units backed

10. Star Wars Sail Barge (8,810)
9. Transformers Unicron (11,272)
8. GI Joe Skystryker (16,088) *Only Haslab with additional tiers not reached
7. Ghostbusters Proton Pack (19,062)
6. Marvel Legends Sentinel (21,873)
5. Transformers Deathsaurus (25,169)
4. Transformers Victory Saber (26,211)
3. GI Joe Classified Hisstank (26,772)
2. Star Wars Razorcrest (28,111)
1. Marvel Legends Galactus (30,811)

*The Heroquest Game Funded as well, but this was determined by dollar amount, not by units sold.

Haslab Items in order of ($ USD) Generated: (not profit, but cost of unit times number of units backed)

11. Star Wars GI Joe Sky Stryker $3,700,080
10. Hero Quest Game $3,721,700
9. Star Wars Sail Barge $4,404,912
8. Transformers Deathsuarus $4,530,168
7. Transformers Victory Saber $4,717,718
6. Transformers Unicron $6,481,287
5. Ghostbusters Proton Pack $7,624,609
4. Marvel Legends Sentinel $7,655,331
3. GI Joe Classified Hiss Tank $8,031,332
2. Star Wars Razorcrest $9,838,568
1. Marvel Legends Galactus $12,324,092

*Thanks King Kuuga, I was able to use your spreadsheet to update the actual numbers on Sail Barge and Unicron

o.supreme wrote:*Thanks King Kuuga, I was able to use your spreadsheet to update the actual numbers on Sail Barge and Unicron

Glad someone was able to get some use out of it! Don't take the numbers for Sail Barge and Unicron as gospel, I believe I got them from cross-referencing wikis and news articles but it's the best I could get.

Following on that theme, here are the projects ranked in terms of how successful they were relative to their goal; eg if it needed 1000 backers and got 1100 that's 110%.

1. Razor Crest (470.18%)
2. HeroQuest (310.14%)
3. Sentinel (364.55%)
4. HISS (334.65%)
5. Proton Pack (272.31%)
6. Victory Saber (238.28%)
7. Deathsaurus (228.81%)
8. Galactus (220.08%)
9. Sail Barge (170.20%)
10. Skystriker (160.88%)

I did also go through the sheet and add columns for early birds and all the unlocks. HeroQuest makes that annoying since they had unlocks every $200k from $1m to $4m.

On that note....

o.supreme wrote:8. GI Joe Skystryker (16,088) *Only Haslab with additional tiers not reached

The last two bonus tiers of the HeroQuest weren't met. But everything about that campaign is an outlier.

If anyone wants the sheet you can have it here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

Here's the most updated information. Click to embiggen.

Since the Last Post, both the SkyStryker and Proton Pack have shipped to Customers, who seem to be mostly satisfied. So...That leaves only 2 Haslabs currently in Development. I know different teams work on these, but I guess one good side effect of having a few unfunded projects in a row, is that the funded ones can actually get to us a bit sooner. (It took about 15 months to get Victory Saber, but if all goes as planned, Deathsaurus should be shipping only about 10 months after the campaign ended).

While I'm sure we will probably see another GI Joe and Transformers Haslab before the end of 2023 (probably around the same time as they appeared in 2022), I think both the Marvel and Star Wars teams are really struggling. They want to offer something the fans really want, after the last couple of (probably Disney Mandated efforts) failed, it will be interesting to see what they ultimately come up with.

Marvel already teased their next Haslab for the 60th Avengers anniversary. Looks like it is going to be 1963 Giant Man

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Marvel already teased their next Haslab for the 60th Avengers anniversary. Looks like it is going to be 1963 Giant Man

Wow...that's really interesting. I dont collect Marvel Legends, but I like the idea. Cant wait to see what it looks like. Definitely an opportunity for fans to make a statement. If they truly love the classic Marvel over the Modern, this is a perfect opportunity to prove it.

o.supreme wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Marvel already teased their next Haslab for the 60th Avengers anniversary. Looks like it is going to be 1963 Giant Man

Wow...that's really interesting. I dont collect Marvel Legends, but I like the idea. Cant wait to see what it looks like. Definitely an opportunity for fans to make a statement. If they truly love the classic Marvel over the Modern, this is a perfect opportunity to prove it.

More like hasbro to prove they can do a haslab that doesnt have QC issues from doing something with fewer parts XD

I hadn't heard about any QC issues with Galactus

Giant-Man? But he doesn't need lights, how are they going to price gouge Marvel fans without electronics?

Emerje

So...here we are, nearing the mid-point of 2023, and no Haslabs for the year, there must definitely be some shaking up going on behind the scenes.

I know a Giant Man was teased for Marvel Legends, as well as an Ewok Village playset for Star Wars. But with Quantumania underperforming, that may have given Hasbro second thoughts, as well as May the 4th (and the 40th anniversary of RotJ) passing by without a huge reveal.

I wonder if since Disney owned IP's (Marvel and Star Wars) tanked several Haslabs in 2022, if Hasbro is delaying them for some unspecified reason?

The only ones in production currently are the Classified HISS Tank, and Deathsaurus. I just hope they both come out in the Fall as scheduled.

o.supreme wrote:So...here we are, nearing the mid-point of 2023, and no Haslabs for the year, there must definitely be some shaking up going on behind the scenes.

For the most part they dont learn from failures easily. They might stick the guy who doesnt know zoids from his ass on it, seeing as they then put him on transformers and doesnt know much about transformers either.

But... new GI joe haslab was rumored a bit back and yet to be revealed (shortly?):

https://news.hisstank.com/2023/05/26/g- ... date-81571

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Yeah, it's Yo Joe June again so they'll most likely reveal the next HasLab as the final reveal of the month.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:Yeah, it's Yo Joe June again so they'll most likely reveal the next HasLab as the final reveal of the month.

Emerje

Email already came out, Haslab to be revealed next Tuesday

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Emerje wrote:Yeah, it's Yo Joe June again so they'll most likely reveal the next HasLab as the final reveal of the month.

Emerje

Email already came out, Haslab to be revealed next Tuesday

Yeah, I don't know why I didn't get the email. The Dragonfly was announced about an hour ago and it's already 41% 45% funded. It's over 2 feet long, has lights, lots of accessories, a stand and comes with a 6" Wild Bill figure and only asking $275 for 10,000 orders. I have no idea what the Marvel team was thinking asking $350 for a car with some lights, the G.I.Joe and Transformers teams seam to know where the sweet spot is. Also the first stretch goal is Night Force Ripcord at 13,000 orders. There's two more "recruits" at 16K and 19K. No messing around with early bird orders this time around.

Emerje

No earlybird is probably the safest route. Classified Dragonfly is now 50% funded, in just 2 hours. No doubt it will make it.

Hasbro will be 3 for 3 with each of their in house brands (Transformers and GI Joe). Again, I know that Hasbro has to *play nice* with Disney and their IP, but if Disney were smart (clearly they aren't), they would trust that Hasbro which has been selling their toys for decades, and would KNOW what fans want from Star Wars and Marvel.....

Yeah, that Joe vehicle puts the Ghost Rider to shame. Well done on the Joe team

I've been out of the loop for a bit on this, with working full-time and just barely being able to stay current with TF news but...

Apparently the GI Joe Dragonfly finished strong, surpassed all its tiers. The New SW Haslab Ghost was announced. My Gawd though $500!! I know cost of materials and labor has increased, but that's the same price as Jabba's sail Barge was about 5 years ago! and The Ghost is nowhere as large, even the Most expensive retail Millennium Falcon was what... $250?

I was thinking maybe $300-$350 range for The Ghost as it is a smaller ship than the Razorcrest... Oh well. But it seems like fans are on board to support this, its nearly 70% funded at less than 2 days of being listed!

I guess it just took a year for Disney Mandates and Hasbro SW Brand Marketing to come up with something they BOTH wanted & knew fans would likely support. (I still think a 40th anniversary RotJ Ewok Village playset would have been fun though... )

Also, very wise of them not to run 2 Haslabs at once. I think especially with more companies doing Crowdfunding now, there's definitely more competition. Probably at Pulsecon 2023 the next Haslab will be announced (Will be Transformers or Marvel?), and then probably early 2024 the next one (whichever of those 2 brands isn't announced at Pulsecon).

Funny thing about the Ghost is, it is actually bigger than the Razorcrest. They showed a size comparison, and it is pretty dang wide in addition to long and tall.

Glad GI Joe is still going strong.

I think a TF one is next, and that it will be either Pulsecon or NYCC revealed.

Also, i am pretty sure the Mattel JP gates are about to fail. That one is a masterclass in how to screw up a crowd fund

I wasn't so sure a week ago if the Dragonfly would even hit its third goal but it had quite the serge in the last couple days. I was skeptical about the Ghost being offered before Asoka began and at such a high price but apparently they've already won fans over. I'm glad HasLab is having these back to back successes again.

Emerje

Unfortunately, it looks like Black Series just isn't in the cards for Haslabs. VC? That is a whole other story it seems

So the Star Wars Ghost sold well, nearly hitting 22,000 at the end.

And they've wasted no time announcing the next Haslab, Marvel's Giant-Man. $200 for 10K backers, already 1/4 of the way funded after a few hours. Looks really good, seems worth the price of 8 normal figures to me. I really like the way they did the alternate faces, looks really natural. Not my thing, but I think they did a great job.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:So the Star Wars Ghost sold well, nearly hitting 22,000 at the end.

And they've wasted no time announcing the next Haslab, Marvel's Giant-Man. $200 for 10K backers, already 1/4 of the way funded after a few hours. Looks really good, seems worth the price of 8 normal figures to me. I really like the way they did the alternate faces, looks really natural. Not my thing, but I think they did a great job.

Emerje

I truly thought he would be Sentinel sized and $350. I am glad to see they went a smidge smaller and a good bit cheaper. I think this one will do good. The tiers are also good.

Another one I don't want, but cool to see.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Emerje wrote:So the Star Wars Ghost sold well, nearly hitting 22,000 at the end.

And they've wasted no time announcing the next Haslab, Marvel's Giant-Man. $200 for 10K backers, already 1/4 of the way funded after a few hours. Looks really good, seems worth the price of 8 normal figures to me. I really like the way they did the alternate faces, looks really natural. Not my thing, but I think they did a great job.

Emerje

I truly thought he would be Sentinel sized and $350. I am glad to see they went a smidge smaller and a good bit cheaper. I think this one will do good. The tiers are also good.

Another one I don't want, but cool to see.

Doesn't seem everyone agrees on the value especially when it comes to the stretch goals. People seem to think he should come with additional figures like the other Marvel HasLabs have, but the way I see it those were being done to absorb the blow of such massive prices. If Giant-Man was sold in stores he'd be $200 if bigger Legends figures are over $50. To me he feels like a retail figure that retailers didn't think would sell so they're sticking him on HasLab to prove them wrong.

Emerje

Well Giant-Man had a very tumultuous campaign. I wasn't checking him frequently until the last week, but he seemed to be stuck at about 5k for about a month. According to my data, he only gained 1000 backers from September 26 through October 16. In the last few days he started to move faster, getting 2-300 backers per day. When I looked at it around 1 AM on the last day, it was at 7618. Over the day it surged, and at around 8:40 PM it finally broke the 10k threshold needed to enter production. I don't remember what the last project was that cut it this close. It may have been the GI Joe Skystriker, which had a large surge when the Rancor failed, but maybe that had already gotten enough pledges, I don't recall. Anyway, Giant-Man continued to grow in the final 3.5 hours of the campagin, breaking the first stretch goal, and ending just shy of the second at 13,889. No doubt devastating for the people that wanted a Skrull head.

I'm glad it succeeded, Marvel needed a win after the disaster that was the EOV, and Giant-Man seemed like a good value for the money.
The brand scorecard for haslab success looks like this:
GI Joe: 3/3
Transformers: 3/3
Marvel: 3/4
Star Wars: 3/5
Tabletop: 1/2
Ghostbusters: 1/1 (they're teasing something coming up, but may not be a Haslab)
Sesame street: 0/1