10 years before Kirk...Spock...THE ENTERPRISE? They're just going to disregard the actual show called ENTERPRISE?
And that's some fancy CGI ... bet it costs a lot! Yep, this isn't going to last, not because of bad ratings, but because it won't turn a profit.
Ten years before Kirk and Spock just means that Captain Robert April is likely the captain of the NCC-1701 Enterprise. Technically, Aprils only appearance is in ST:TAS and Paramount doesn't consider it canon. April also appeared in some of the late 90s Marvel Comics titled Star Trek: Early Voyages. So Discovery has a chance to make that so here. Kirk was the actual 3rd captain of the ship, Spock served under both Pike and Kirk.
Archer's Enterprise NX-01 is set roughly 100yrs, in the 22nd Century, before the events of TOS and Kirks 5yr mission. The Enterprise 1701 herself was around so it would be nice for Captain Robert April to finally get canonical with this series.
Re: Star Trek: The Next Thread
Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:13 pm
by Burn
You completely missed my point...
Re: Star Trek: The Next Thread
Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:00 am
by captain craig
Burn wrote:You completely missed my point...
Make the point better then. I'm listening. Sounded like you're saying the show Enterprise is being disregarded. I pointed out it comes plenty of time before Discovery. Is your main point the CGI?
Re: Star Trek: The Next Thread
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 2:31 pm
by PopCultureGeek2063
proud to say that I finally got to meet William Shatner lately, met him at Long Beach Comic-Con last weekend
Re: Star Trek: The Next Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:19 pm
by Stuartmaximus
Not really a Star Trek thing but very Trek..like!(& Galaxy Quest)
has anyone watched the first episode(pilot) of The Orville yet?
Re: Star Trek: The Next Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:23 pm
by Burn
Stuartmaximus wrote:Not really a Star Trek thing
Which is why I'll meet you over in the general TV thread!
Re: Star Trek: The Next Thread
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:23 am
by sto_vo_kor_2000
Stuartmaximus wrote:Someone wanna promote Sto to chief Oracle or Curator of anything Star Trek coz he seems to only wake from his slumber to answer any questions or queries posted on this page! and in doing so....finding fault within the question/query ect
mind you.....to his defence....he seems to be the ONLY one that's answering questions/queries on here of late.
Re: Star Trek: The Next Thread
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:32 am
by sto_vo_kor_2000
Insurgent wrote:Ablative armour that the defiant and Promethius used is different to what Voyager got from the future. Their armour is more like thick hull plating that gradually gets worn down from impacts, designed to be broken down without having the actual hull integrity being compromised. But once it's been worn out and gone, it's direct hits to the hull and then the ships get into trouble.
And Future Janeway never faded away. She was assimilated by the Borg, but then her virus screwed up the collective which meant she and most drones collapsed and died (it was implied). To my memory, Star Trek has never done the whole 'time travellers fade away when the timeline changed'. They've either died, gone back to the future or remained in the present.
Except for that one episode in TNG season 1 or 2, where we got a second Picard from the wormhole and the exploded Enterprise. He vanished when they broke free from the wormhole. But apparantly that was meant to be a test by Q (never stated on screen, but was author intent) so..... normal rules can't be reliably used.
there are other examples of time displaced artifacts fading away s when history is changed
ugh. I'm over that concept. I guess they need to tell it though.
Re: Star Trek: The Next Thread
Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 3:48 pm
by Stuartmaximus
so! it'll be an ISS Discovery...with agony booths
Re: Star Trek: The Next Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:48 am
by Insurgent
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Insurgent wrote:Ablative armour that the defiant and Promethius used is different to what Voyager got from the future. Their armour is more like thick hull plating that gradually gets worn down from impacts, designed to be broken down without having the actual hull integrity being compromised. But once it's been worn out and gone, it's direct hits to the hull and then the ships get into trouble.
And Future Janeway never faded away. She was assimilated by the Borg, but then her virus screwed up the collective which meant she and most drones collapsed and died (it was implied). To my memory, Star Trek has never done the whole 'time travellers fade away when the timeline changed'. They've either died, gone back to the future or remained in the present.
Except for that one episode in TNG season 1 or 2, where we got a second Picard from the wormhole and the exploded Enterprise. He vanished when they broke free from the wormhole. But apparantly that was meant to be a test by Q (never stated on screen, but was author intent) so..... normal rules can't be reliably used.
there are other examples of time displaced artifacts fading away s when history is changed
When? Things like first contact and the bell riots were because the crew went into an alternate timeline. Not because of dissapearing things from the past.
A discovery mirror ep? With the limited episode run, and the fact kirk was the first contact with it, i question the inclusion of this. Don't tell me they needed padding, cos it can't ve involved in the story unless something from there crosses over into here. Like the enterprise eps. As much as i loved them, they added nothing to the overall arc they had built and was there purely for fanwank. Discovery will be worse because it's an ongoing story from episode to episode. But i won't cry foul. Maybe they'll surprise me and it's integral to the plot. We'll see.
Sweet. I'm a fan of mirrorverses, so this plays to my likes
Re: Star Trek: The Next Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:38 pm
by sto_vo_kor_2000
Insurgent wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Insurgent wrote:Ablative armour that the defiant and Promethius used is different to what Voyager got from the future. Their armour is more like thick hull plating that gradually gets worn down from impacts, designed to be broken down without having the actual hull integrity being compromised. But once it's been worn out and gone, it's direct hits to the hull and then the ships get into trouble.
And Future Janeway never faded away. She's was assimilated by the Borg, but then her virus screwed up the collective which meant she and most drones collapsed and died (it was implied). To my memory, Star Trek has never done the whole 'time travellers fade away when the timeline changed'. They've either died, gone back to the future or remained in the present.
Except for that one episode in TNG season 1 or 2, where we got a second Picard from the wormhole and the exploded Enterprise. He vanished when they broke free from the wormhole. But apparantly that was meant to be a test by Q (never stated on screen, but was author intent) so..... normal rules can't be reliably used.
there are other examples of time displaced artifacts fading away s when history is changed
When? Things like first contact and the bell riots were because the crew went into an alternate timeline. Not because of dissapearing things from the past.
Your question confused me a bit, and I'm not trying to be argumentative I just want to make sure I am I answering correctly
Are you asking about a change in history because of an object disappearing in the past?
Or are you asking me of a time when something or someone disappeared when history was changed
Re: Star Trek: The Next Thread
Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:41 am
by Insurgent
When things disappeared because of a change in timeline. In tue film first contact, the crew saw an assimilated earth because they jumped timeline. In the episode with the bell riots, starfleet disappeared because the defiant jumped timelines. City on th edge of forever, the landing party lost starfleet because they jumped timeline. Srorm front, the nx jumped timelines. And so on. I'm not being argumentive either, I'm just curious as each event i can think of in trek where something disappeared was because the crew jumped timeline. Not because something disappeared in our timeline like that episode with two picards in tng season 2, which is the only time i can think of someone disappearing because of a change without jumping timelines, which i believe was my original point
Enterprise's series 3 ep E2 with the future nx doesn't count because we don't know if that ship disappeared or was destroyed.
Re: Star Trek: The Next Thread
Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:35 pm
by sto_vo_kor_2000
Insurgent wrote:When things disappeared because of a change in timeline. In tue film first contact, the crew saw an assimilated earth because they jumped timeline. In the episode with the bell riots, starfleet disappeared because the defiant jumped timelines. City on th edge of forever, the landing party lost starfleet because they jumped timeline. Srorm front, the nx jumped timelines. And so on. I'm not being argumentive either, I'm just curious as each event i can think of in trek where something disappeared was because the crew jumped timeline. Not because something disappeared in our timeline like that episode with two picards in tng season 2, which is the only time i can think of someone disappearing because of a change without jumping timelines, which i believe was my original point
Enterprise's series 3 ep E2 with the future nx doesn't count because we don't know if that ship disappeared or was destroyed.
thanks for clearing that up, wake me to think of starting to show my age because I can't remember things as well as I used to or recall them anyway so give me a few days and I might be able to compile a list but right off the back I can give you want example
Voyager:year of hell, if you recall Red the captain of the township had items in his office from timelines that no longer exist, One of those items he kept protected and especially container and that was a hair from his "time erased" wife.The container with designed to keep the hair from going the way the rest of everything from its timeline
When the container broke in the air was exposed to regular time it faded from existence
Re: Star Trek: The Next Thread
Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:32 pm
by Insurgent
I forgot about that. And I'm currently going through Voyager, just started season 5. And I always loved Year of Hell.
I'll give you that one, although it is a bit iffy as it was on the Time ship that was outside the timeline. If it wasn't protected, like Voyager before they got their temporal shielding in place, it would have dissapeared because they jumped timelines to a timeline where she didn't exist so it should have dissapeared then. So it could be argued that it dissapeared because the ship jumped timelines, it was just a 200 (or was it 2000?) year lag.
How many times can I say timeline? Lol.
Re: Star Trek: The Next Thread
Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:37 pm
by sto_vo_kor_2000
Insurgent wrote:I forgot about that. And I'm currently going through Voyager, just started season 5. And I always loved Year of Hell.
I'll give you that one, although it is a bit iffy as it was on the Time ship that was outside the timeline. If it wasn't protected, like Voyager before they got their temporal shielding in place, it would have dissapeared because they jumped timelines to a timeline where she didn't exist so it should have dissapeared then. So it could be argued that it dissapeared because the ship jumped timelines, it was just a 200 (or was it 2000?) year lag.
How many times can I say timeline? Lol.
I get what you're saying but I don't consider it "iffy" because the hair didn't disappear because the ship was that Scheels but because that small container broke,but I will say that it actually further complicates the issue and he was the reason
That hair came from the same timeline as everybody on the ship including all the personnel and the ship itself , so why did the hair disappear when the container broke but everybody else on the ship was able to continue to exist even after the time sheilds broke down, if the hair disappeared when it wasn't protected the people and ship from the same timeline should've also
And let's not forget that we saw quite a few other characters and ships just fade away every time the timeshift made a change in history
Re: Star Trek: The Next Thread
Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:49 pm
by sto_vo_kor_2000
I also just recalled another episode in which will we see a time traveler fade away once histories been changed.
Deep Space 9 :times orphan Long story short while on a small little vacation O'Brien's daughter Molly descriptions an online application falls through some kind of a time portal and when they get her back she's an adult 18 to 20 years old because we know changes, to shorten the story even further when they send her back through the time portal and The younger Molly returns to her proper time at six with the older one slowly fades out of existence
Re: Star Trek: The Next Thread
Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:28 am
by Insurgent
Oh! I got one! The defiant finds that colony of their descendants but old odo stops the ship going back in time and the colony vanishes.
So i guess we can say it's not the usual trek way of disappearing but it does sometimes happen.
Re: Star Trek: The Next Thread
Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:58 am
by sto_vo_kor_2000
Insurgent wrote:Oh! I got one! The defiant finds that colony of their descendants but old odo stops the ship going back in time and the colony vanishes.
So i guess we can say it's not the usual trek way of disappearing but it does sometimes happen.
That's true enough to say
Re: Star Trek: The Next Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:03 am
by Stuartmaximus
Anyone watched The first 2 episodes of Discovery yet?
Re: Star Trek: The Next Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:36 am
by Burn
Stuartmaximus wrote:Anyone watched The first 2 episodes of Discovery yet?
Yes
Re: Star Trek: The Next Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:46 am
by sto_vo_kor_2000
Burn wrote:
Stuartmaximus wrote:Anyone watched The first 2 episodes of Discovery yet?
Yes
Well what did you think
Re: Star Trek: The Next Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:01 am
by Burn
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Burn wrote:
Stuartmaximus wrote:Anyone watched The first 2 episodes of Discovery yet?
Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:28 pm
of late.