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I finally found another Arcee this time the package was undamaged. To date this one is the 2nd single Legacy toy I've seen at any store in my area,both being Prime Arcee. Obviously they must have received a whole case recently,but this was all that was left.

o.supreme wrote:I finally found another Arcee this time the package was undamaged. To date this one is the 2nd single Legacy toy I've seen at any store in my area,both being Prime Arcee. Obviously they must have received a whole case recently,but this was all that was left.

This was the same thing that happened to me... Saw 1 Arcee on the pegs at my closest Target over 3 weeks ago...
Since then, I've seen 1-2 at different stores, and other than her, a couple Skids.
So of course the deluxes I actually want-- Kickback and Dragstrip --have eluded me.

Noticed just a weird thing about Motormaster.



I'm totally missing where that section of the trailer goes in the combiner. From the pics and rendering, it looks like it's not used. Possible that it become a cover for the back?

MadProject wrote:Noticed just a weird thing about Motormaster.

motormaster baseb.jpg

I'm totally missing where that section of the trailer goes in the combiner. From the pics and rendering, it looks like it's not used. Possible that it become a cover for the back?

I'd say that's most likely it...
That "tower" splits in half, covers Menasor's back, and a couple of those look like the "blocks" that sit on top of the shoulder area.

I would really doubt that any part of the trailer would be left out of the design for the combined form.

Sowndwave76 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:I finally found another Arcee this time the package was undamaged. To date this one is the 2nd single Legacy toy I've seen at any store in my area,both being Prime Arcee. Obviously they must have received a whole case recently,but this was all that was left.

This was the same thing that happened to me... Saw 1 Arcee on the pegs at my closest Target over 3 weeks ago...
Since then, I've seen 1-2 at different stores, and other than her, a couple Skids.
So of course the deluxes I actually want-- Kickback and Dragstrip --have eluded me.

Hang tight, they will get there. I was beginning to worry myself until this past week when the whole wave showed up. I was able to snag them all in store. I'm sure its just a matter of time.
It did take my local Walmart until Easter weekend to finally clearance out the 4 billion figures of the last wave of Kingdom that have seemingly clogged shelves for the last 5 months at least lol.

sol magnus wrote:

Emerje wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Motormaster:
1. Not developing for backwards compatibility is dumb given Menasor's nature. I bet Takara are annoyed.

I dunno. Their designer seemed awfully proud of it in his reveal video. Seems like they would have instructed him to make them compatible if that's what they wanted.

Emerje

his pride was infectous.

That's part of the reason I got him, that designer interview toughed my engineer's heart

So how soon do people think we learn of Aerialbot updates that do pretty much the same thing to form a new Superion? And will it be before or after the last two Stunticon reveals?

Having them all as a kid would certainly tug on my memberberries which might compel me to buy newer versions if done as well as they have been doing with modern updates, never cared for the looks of combiner wars.

Till-all-R1 wrote:So how soon do people think we learn of Aerialbot updates that do pretty much the same thing to form a new Superion? And will it be before or after the last two Stunticon reveals?

Never? Kinda hard to do since jets aren't known for having trailers.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Till-all-R1 wrote:So how soon do people think we learn of Aerialbot updates that do pretty much the same thing to form a new Superion? And will it be before or after the last two Stunticon reveals?

Never? Kinda hard to do since jets aren't known for having trailers.

Emerje

Yeah, not to mention that Superion suffered less animation errors, thus never appeared to have planes strapped over giant robo limbs. Menasor was the only one who had that depiction (if memory serves...cue people posting evidence to the contrary )

That's not to say they won't ever do a new Superion, just that if they do, the format will be tweaked as Sliverbolt won't need to be Commander Class (not unless they packaged in more accessories then needed)

yeah, I think too that, in case of a new Superion, Silverbolt would be a Leader class, with some more mass than the CW and the combiner parts included.

MadProject wrote:yeah, I think too that, in case of a new Superion, Silverbolt would be a Leader class, with some more mass than the CW and the combiner parts included.

There would also be considerably less Alpha Bravo, which I would consider a valuable play feature.

Yeah, Leader makes more sense, though there's still the question of just how they bulk up the jet without going all Blitzwing on it, still having a "Voyager" sized bot mode, and get a combiner torso that feels on par with Menasor. It's a difficult balancing act. Motormaster works because you can take off all the combiner parts and still have a truck, can't do that with a giant Commander class jet.

Then there's the problem with the limbs, Hasbro doesn't seem to like doing Deluxe jets any more, but I'm not against it.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:Yeah, Leader makes more sense, though there's still the question of just how they bulk up the jet without going all Blitzwing on it, still having a "Voyager" sized bot mode, and get a combiner torso that feels on par with Menasor. It's a difficult balancing act. Motormaster works because you can take off all the combiner parts and still have a truck, can't do that with a giant Commander class jet.

Then there's the problem with the limbs, Hasbro doesn't seem to like doing Deluxe jets any more, but I'm not against it.

Emerje

Even though I'm most likely going to be pretty far removed from collecting by the time any of this would come to fruition, I enjoy speculating about possibilities.
And if there's one thing that could reel me back in down the road (past a couple years from now), it would be combiners. Especially a Devastator...

For Superion, I could see "Voyager class" limbs... Meaning, because of the required functionality/engineering, they may in fact be slightly larger than the average deluxe figure, but overall smaller than voyagers such as the ER seekers by just a bit.
Throw-in a blaster and a part for the combined form, and there's a Voyager Class release.
But as you said, the real challenge is with Silverbolt...
It may be a case of some parts-forming where pieces for Superion have little to no use outside of the combined form.
I know some despise this potential aspect with figures, but if it helps achieve what it needs to, I'll take that over one or a couple modes being severely compromised. Especially in the case of a combiner.
And no, it's not ideal to have to pay for extra parts that go unused if the set isn't completed.
But it does happen with other brands/lines-- I saw a Superman figure that is packaged with a couple parts for a larger "starfish" (???) character... There have to be people out there who want that Superman, but don't have any plans to complete the larger pack-in figure.
Again, not ideal, but I'm assuming Hastak would figure out a way for the extras to be "weapons", "shields", etc. anyway.

It will be interesting to see how soon Hastak dives back into adding combiners to a mainline.



A little more on topic, if you're still waiting for Legacy stuff to show up in your local stores, it should be happening any day now.
Our fellow board member, SGM Lord Mirage (who also lives in MO) found every figure of every class in a Walmart just yesterday.

wjat if they'll do a solution similar to PotP Predaking?
voyager limbs, that includes in the mass the thighs and arms of the combiner, and Silverbolt transforms from jet to robot to combiner torso.

I don't know where the misconception is coming from that are going to do all the combiners all over again? I mean I get that they are trying to correct Menasor because of fan overall dissatisfaction. But that really wasn't the case for most other combiners. No reason to reinvent the concept all over again,unless it is for combiners that haven't been developed in the Generations line yet ( see my wish list).

o.supreme wrote:I don't know where the misconception is coming from that are going to do all the combiners all over again? I mean I get that they are trying to correct Menasor because of fan overall dissatisfaction. But that really wasn't the case for most other combiners. No reason to reinvent the concept all over again,unless it is for combiners that haven't been developed in the Generations line yet ( see my wish list).

There's no misconception. It's been mentioned as pure speculation. I, for one, am holding off on getting a UW Superion until I see what Hasbro does next year because there is a certain logic to thinking they may go with another combiner.

Do I believe they will? No. Do I WANT new Aerialbots? Yes. But if not, I'll get what's already available.

If we're talking combiners, I will throw this in:

If we get another CW combiner re-do before we get a Monstructor, i will be very annoyed.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:If we're talking combiners, I will throw this in:

If we get another CW combiner re-do before we get a Monstructor, i will be very annoyed.

What would be your preference for a monstructor release? Spread out through the year or a Titan Class boxset? Though at least they have retool potential built in.

Personally I'd prefer a Box Set. I loved the Giftsets as a kid, even though I never got to own one, but I made sure to get ALL the UW sets, they are so amazing. But honestly, at this point, I'll take Monstructor/ Dinoking any way I can get it.

ZeroWolf wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:If we're talking combiners, I will throw this in:

If we get another CW combiner re-do before we get a Monstructor, i will be very annoyed.

What would be your preference for a monstructor release? Spread out through the year or a Titan Class boxset? Though at least they have retool potential built in.

What o.supreme said, I am not picky at this point. I built SS Devastator, I can wait a year to assemble if I need to, but I'm undecided if I'd want a titan spot taken by him.

This was buried almost 10 pages back... But wanted to share this again about thoughts on a new Devastator:

Being that Commander Class releases aren't limited to just a larger-scaled figure, I could see a Commander Class "pack" or "set" (still a single release in a single box) that included Voyager Class Hook, Long Haul, their individual blasters, and the necessary parts/pieces to form Devastator.
--2 voyager ("triple-changers")
=$70
--forearm parts
--articulated hands
--chest plate
--waist plate (unless worked into Long Haul's design)
--large blaster
--possibly Devastator's head (so it doesn't have to be incorporated into Hook's design)
=$30

The other 4 members would be individual Voyager Class releases (all mainline).
Because it may be difficult to justify 4 voyager slots being given exclusively to Constructicons in a single year, I'd propose two are released during the second half of one year, the other two in the first half of the following, with the Commander Class set being somewhat in the middle (either Black Friday/Christmas-ish, or at the very beginning of the new year).
Each limb figure would only be packaged with his blaster; engineering/design/parts-count budget would definitely get used in ensuring all 3 modes are done well. *No lack of elbow joints, as well as decent vehicle articulation.

I understand 6 voyager figures mean this Devastator would be bigger than Legacy Menasor.
But I think that would be fine--
First, I believe that the Constructicons as individual bots are bigger than the Stunticon limb characters.
They should be scaled larger/taller than deluxes, but shorter than Megatron, Prime, Motormaster, etc. Basically the same height as NF Soundwave (Which reminds me of the '86 movie when Hook and Soundwave were fighting inside of Astrotrain; they're the same height).
Second, construction vehicles are substantially larger than sportscars.
If a new Devastator (15"-16") being larger than Legacy Menasor (11"-12") also means that both the bot and alt modes are ALL more in-scale, so be it! I'd be more than okay with that.

Now how does this play into any future release of any of the other combiners??
Who knows...
But I think it's safe to say that Devastator is the most popular combiner. And with having 6 team members, I don't think my idea is completely crazy. Clearly Hastak was okay with Devastator being larger than most of the others before... I don't think they'd have an issue with doing that again.

I'm also in favor of seeing combiners who need an update first.
And sooner than later.

Having just read your post soundwave76, I am going to throw this out there:

I do not believe Commander should be used for 2 bots that otherwise could fall into voyager slots. I really don't think we need to go bigger than voyager class for a G1 Constructicon, and I would like them to follow suit to what SS did: space it out over 2 years, 3 voyager wave each year with 1 constructicon. That allows for something not G1 Constructicon per wave, and allows you to enjoy each individual for a good period of time before (almost inevitably) they are combined and remain that way forever more.

Part of this stems from the fact that I think we just proved here that there are far more options than a 2-pack of Constructicons for the Commander Price point. I point part of this exasperation towards the fact that Studio Series has not given us a non-SS86 or Bee movie voyager since Skipjack in Fall 2020, and the next Bayverse voyager isn't expected until Fall of this year, 2 years difference in the "live-action movie line". Couple that with Dinobots, and you can track that line of thinking of letting something sit for a year or 2 needlessly. I would rather sacrifice 2 voyager slots that will share a wave with a non-G1 character and still have that option to pushing something like say an Armada Tidal Wave or Prime Predaking back a full year.

Part of that also comes with how they did SS Devastator. That worked out perfectly for his release. They could have done him in 2 waves, but they didn't, they spread him out, and I will say that was far more rewarding than all at once. Plus, they are using that route for Legacy Menasor, so they clearly saw it too.

Finally, we are in agreeance over non-updated guys getting priority over redos of something not even 10 years old that still hold up i.e. Superion. I think CW Devastator is still very good, and am in no rush to see him get updated again when other options are available.

If we would get 1 combiner a year or every other year, spaced out with releases, I would be satisfied with that route. We don't need a CW line again, we can take the time and put it out alongside other things as well.

Just got this from my family. My local Target actually looking decent finally

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Having just read your post soundwave76, I am going to throw this out there:

I do not believe Commander should be used for 2 bots that otherwise could fall into voyager slots. I really don't think we need to go bigger than voyager class for a G1 Constructicon, and I would like them to follow suit to what SS did: space it out over 2 years, 3 voyager wave each year with 1 constructicon. That allows for something not G1 Constructicon per wave, and allows you to enjoy each individual for a good period of time before (almost inevitably) they are combined and remain that way forever more.

Part of this stems from the fact that I think we just proved here that there are far more options than a 2-pack of Constructicons for the Commander Price point. I point part of this exasperation towards the fact that Studio Series has not given us a non-SS86 or Bee movie voyager since Skipjack in Fall 2020, and the next Bayverse voyager isn't expected until Fall of this year, 2 years difference in the "live-action movie line". Couple that with Dinobots, and you can track that line of thinking of letting something sit for a year or 2 needlessly. I would rather sacrifice 2 voyager slots that will share a wave with a non-G1 character and still have that option to pushing something like say an Armada Tidal Wave or Prime Predaking back a full year.

Part of that also comes with how they did SS Devastator. That worked out perfectly for his release. They could have done him in 2 waves, but they didn't, they spread him out, and I will say that was far more rewarding than all at once. Plus, they are using that route for Legacy Menasor, so they clearly saw it too.

Finally, we are in agreeance over non-updated guys getting priority over redos of something not even 10 years old that still hold up i.e. Superion. I think CW Devastator is still very good, and am in no rush to see him get updated again when other options are available.

If we would get 1 combiner a year or every other year, spaced out with releases, I would be satisfied with that route. We don't need a CW line again, we can take the time and put it out alongside other things as well.

Well said.