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Marcdachamp wrote:YoungPrime wrote:Either you’re missing the point or using all of your effort to ignore it in order to save face from the truth. We all know what to expect in a rated R slasher Film. But the bad toilet humor and antics used by the human characters and bots in Bayformers is in no ways necessary for cheap laughs that fall short more than not. And although most parents won’t storm out the theatre due to these displays, most people in general would agree that they could live without them.
Hell, the whole sales pitch of DOTM revolved around Bay and Co. venting on how disappointed they were with ROTF, only to do most the same things in the sequel.
So spare me of all the excuses. The fact that people still came to view the films only proves that they love the Transformers name in spite of Bays flaws. And I have no doubt in my mind that people wouldn't turn theirs noses up at a reboot from a director with at least an ounce of respect for the Transformer lore. So if you’re even half the Transformers fan you claim to be why would you deny idea of a reboot?
Many of the major Cons and bots were poorly used and killed off by Bay anyway…
First off, I don't want a reboot because I liked the films. What bothers me is that the people who are so opposed to the movies act like the things that bothered them or irritated them must be universal truths for everyone. There's no attempt at "saving face," on my part. I don't care. These things bothered you. Hey, that's fine, I understand. But don't start assuming that everyone else must share this same opinion.
Yes, there's toilet humor. Could I live without it? Of course. But you know what? I enjoyed the movies anyway.
And I obviously know that no one went and saw the movies for the "Spongebob" humans, but you're ignoring the fact that having this grounded on Earth or partly on Earth with humans gives casual movie-goers a frame of reference. What would be the point of making a big budget "Last Stand of the Wreckers" type movie? You might as well make it an animated feature if you're going to do that.
LadyBug wrote:Dre Merc wrote:As far as a movie set on Cybertron.. wow some people really think that would work? Lifeless dark grey shifting steel structures as backgrounds, and grey protoform robots that won't "disguise?" Shhyeah.. that would work.
If Tron: Legacy can create a world in CGI; I'm sure that they will have no problem with making Cybertron. And I think it would be awesome if we get a prequel that is based on Cybertron, but I think that we won't get to see it in a live action is because they are doing all of this Cybertron based stuff with the Prime universe + War for Cybertron/Exodus/Exiles continuities.
Marcdachamp wrote:YoungPrime wrote:Either you’re missing the point or using all of your effort to ignore it in order to save face from the truth. We all know what to expect in a rated R slasher Film. But the bad toilet humor and antics used by the human characters and bots in Bayformers is in no ways necessary for cheap laughs that fall short more than not. And although most parents won’t storm out the theatre due to these displays, most people in general would agree that they could live without them.
Hell, the whole sales pitch of DOTM revolved around Bay and Co. venting on how disappointed they were with ROTF, only to do most the same things in the sequel.
So spare me of all the excuses. The fact that people still came to view the films only proves that they love the Transformers name in spite of Bays flaws. And I have no doubt in my mind that people wouldn't turn theirs noses up at a reboot from a director with at least an ounce of respect for the Transformer lore. So if you’re even half the Transformers fan you claim to be why would you deny idea of a reboot?
Many of the major Cons and bots were poorly used and killed off by Bay anyway…
First off, I don't want a reboot because I liked the films. What bothers me is that the people who are so opposed to the movies act like the things that bothered them or irritated them must be universal truths for everyone. There's no attempt at "saving face," on my part. I don't care. These things bothered you. Hey, that's fine, I understand. But don't start assuming that everyone else must share this same opinion.
Yes, there's toilet humor. Could I live without it? Of course. But you know what? I enjoyed the movies anyway.
And I obviously know that no one went and saw the movies for the "Spongebob" humans, but you're ignoring the fact that having this grounded on Earth or partly on Earth with humans gives casual movie-goers a frame of reference. What would be the point of making a big budget "Last Stand of the Wreckers" type movie? You might as well make it an animated feature if you're going to do that.
Burn wrote:KNOCK IT OFF!
Page 5, I asked our new member to take his discussion about the pros and cons of the movies to the many other threads dedicated to talking about the movies.
And each and every one of you have subsequently ignored it. I'm sick of it. I'm sick of movie news threads getting derailed into discussions about whether the movies were good or bad and the whys and why nots.
Come on guys, how many times are some of you going to go over this? Do some of you sit there waiting for a piece of movie news to pop up so you can leap in and have your say AGAIN?
Statham's given a not-quite-no and Bay's said he's too busy to talk to Paramount.
That's where things stand, discuss that. Spare the rest of us your movie loving/hating rants, there's a plethora of other threads for that. Leave this one be for once please?
deathy wrote:
Personally that guy Jason Statham seems like a WORSE CHOICE THAN SHIA.
Because Jason Statham reminds me of the 1 Dimensional action actors from the 1980 thru 1990's like arnold swartzenager,sylvester stallone,juan claude van duam.
vegetacron wrote:Burn wrote:KNOCK IT OFF!
Page 5, I asked our new member to take his discussion about the pros and cons of the movies to the many other threads dedicated to talking about the movies.
And each and every one of you have subsequently ignored it. I'm sick of it. I'm sick of movie news threads getting derailed into discussions about whether the movies were good or bad and the whys and why nots.
Come on guys, how many times are some of you going to go over this? Do some of you sit there waiting for a piece of movie news to pop up so you can leap in and have your say AGAIN?
Statham's given a not-quite-no and Bay's said he's too busy to talk to Paramount.
That's where things stand, discuss that. Spare the rest of us your movie loving/hating rants, there's a plethora of other threads for that. Leave this one be for once please?
Sorry mang, but whenever a bayformer fan says the G1 movie sucks i just want to manically smash kittens all over the place. Its like little red explosions of nerdrage anger just goes off in my head and i just want to reach thru the internets and strangle them. Is ok tho, im goin back to not reading the forums again.
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Kilodom wrote:I'm honestly indifferent about whether or not the movies continue. Really, I think it's inevitable that Hasbro will make more one way or another; there's simply too much money coming in for them not to. I'd love to see a new director that could take the movies in a more intelligent direction, but I'm more than aware that the general audience probably wouldn't appreciate the politics and such behind the two factions as much as I do. I'd give them my wallet ten times over just for a philosophical debate between Megatronus and Orion Pax, but c'est la vie. I'm enjoying IDW and Prime, so I'll take what I can get.
I do want to comment on this whole debate over whether or not a Cybertron-based movie would work, though. I'm probably not as brushed up on the Bayformers continuity as most of you seem to be, but I've always been under the assumption that Cybertron was so drab and lifeless because of the war and the destruction it brought. If we're talking about doing a prequel, pre-war, pre-destruction movie, then why couldn't Cybertron potentially be just as beautiful as, say, the Grid? On one hand, the Autobots are pretty brilliantly colored (whether via Earth influence or not, just the fact that they picked or stuck with those colors signifies some sort of inclination); so you could argue that, during peaceful times, so was Cybertron. On the other hand, it could be completely monotone steel, but even so, I think the use of appropriate lighting could more than solve this problem. It's always struck me that Cybertron would be full of neon lights and such (think the Grid), plus, as someone who spent an entire art class with a monochromatic focus, you'd be surprised what you can do with different variations of grey.
In regards to relating to the robots in the absence of humans, isn't one of the main reasons we, as Transformers fans, have always related to the robots because of the humanistic characteristics they posses? Their stories are already inherently human (and thus relateable) simply because they were written by us humans. We've all been effected by war one way or another, so the similarities between our cultures and theirs are there. My problem with Bayformers from the get-go has been simply that their designs are so alien. Which makes complete sense if you're trying to portray realistic aliens with virtually no relation to us, but not when you're trying to make an audience feel for them. I know a large part of Bumblebee's role was based in facial expressions and such, and look how well he was received by the general audiences. So theoretically, if you added more humanistic gestures and facial expressions and such to the rest of the robots that say, 'look at me, this is what I'm feeling, you've probably felt this too', I don't see why the general audiences couldn't relate. Honestly, I think the Decepticons are more or less beyond help in this respect, so a reboot with less segregated designs between the 'bots and 'cons would probably be the best solution for them. But I think if you design them appropriately and write them correctly as individuals, they are 100% as relate-able as any human character; we're pretty much all proof of that.
Short of that, you could always stick in a ship full of humans if you absolutely need real people to ground yourself for whatever reason....
GodMagnus wrote: I agree with all of your reasons why a movie on Cybertron will work. I believe that if you tell a solid story, people will come and will be entertained. The only thing to honestly worry about, is the budget. To have a totally Transformers centric movie on Cybertron with the level of detail seen in the movies, that is going to cost major money.
Kilodom wrote:GodMagnus wrote: I agree with all of your reasons why a movie on Cybertron will work. I believe that if you tell a solid story, people will come and will be entertained. The only thing to honestly worry about, is the budget. To have a totally Transformers centric movie on Cybertron with the level of detail seen in the movies, that is going to cost major money.
To be sure; I remember hearing about how Devastator maxed out their computers when they were making RotF, so imagine what processing an entire two hours or so of solid footage would require. I would think that simplifying the designs would help that, though, wouldn't it? We don't really need all those individual parts during their transformations, cool though it might be. I'm sort of envisioning less-stylized designs like Prime, really; same idea, without all the clutter and time spent on organizing it. Beyond that, I think if Cameron can pull of something like Avatar, especially as that kind of technology progresses and with the amount of money Hasbro has already raked in from the franchise, there must be a way to pull it off financially.
deathy wrote:I also agree that a ALL CGI TF movie taking place on cybertron would work & rake in just as much as the other three live action TF movies.
People keep forgetting,the 1986 movie didn't have the robots done in all 100% CGI.
deathy wrote:the main attraction to these three live action TF movies is the CGI & always has been..
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
5150 Cruiser wrote: I meantioned this already, but not sure if it wasn't seen cause it got buried on page two. The thing with TF, is that for the most part people (meaning general public, and even the casual fans) reconise them as cars, trucks, airplanes etc. Basicly earth vehicles that transform into giant robots. "Robots in disguise", not Robots on their home planet. And unfortunutly, i'd have to agree with this. I don't want to see a bunch of protoforms or cybertronion vehicles running around. I love seeing hopped up vehicles that i'm familuar with driving down the freeway, transform and tear **** up. Ask anyone about TF and ask them what they remeber Optimus Prime as. I bet you know one will say anyhing but a red/blue semi truck. Protoform Optimus toy from 07' was one of the worst selling toys of the movie line. So while yes, other movies have proven succesfull taking place on other planets, they were also always based on other planets and based around that setting. (EI- star wars has always taken place on other planets and outer space and based on earth or one planet)
Kilodom wrote:I remember seeing the protoform toys, but I don't remember what they looked like in detail because I passed them by so quickly, so I'd say that's testimony to them being pretty bad. Look at things like Animated and War for Cybertron (and G1 to some extent), though, where the Cybertronian alt modes were similar to their Earth modes, but in a slightly different, more sci-fi style. No, you're not getting something you could recognize driving down the street per se, but Optimus is still more or less a truck, the tetrajets still look similar to our jets, and so on. Honestly, yes, the slogan's always been 'robots in disguise' and I love being able to point out characters on the streets as much as the next person, but just putting out movie after movie of human vehicles starts to get a little stagnant. We KNOW Optimus is a Peterbilt by now, we KNOW Bumblebee is a Camaro, and Lord knows we've all seen him a million times on the streets by now. Yes, the audience only knows them as these things, but that's because they've never been shown anything otherwise. I don't see any problem with introducing new things to them. If they've liked everything thus far, they could very well enjoy the rest of what the expanded universe has to offer. So why NOT spice things up a little bit once in a while? Doing one Cybertron-based movie set in the PAST doesn't mean you won't get more clearly recognizable human alt-modes in later movies set in the present, it's just something different every once in a while to spice things up.
Kilodom wrote: We KNOW Optimus is a Peterbilt by now, we KNOW Bumblebee is a Camaro, and Lord knows we've all seen him a million times on the streets by now. Yes, the audience only knows them as these things, but that's because they've never been shown anything otherwise. I don't see any problem with introducing new things to them. If they've liked everything thus far, they could very well enjoy the rest of what the expanded universe has to offer.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
acchillyaout wrote:I have been a transformer fan longer than all of you put together.
Cyber Bishop wrote:acchillyaout wrote:I have been a transformer fan longer than all of you put together.
Somehow I doubt that.
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