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[Cobotron]

That also doesn't mean Takara's version won't come with extras. Being released around the same time is no guarantee of sameness, especially when so many Trypti-snacks (errr, Titan masters) already exist.

mmmmmmmmmmmm Snack Masters.

[Sabrblade]

That also doesn't mean Takara's version won't come with extras. Being released around the same time is no guarantee of sameness, especially when so many Trypti-snacks (errr, Titan masters) already exist.

mmmmmmmmmmmm Snack Masters.

He'll come with 50 extra Titan Masters all redecoed solid pale white and packaged in a movie theater popcorn bag for Trypticon to eat out of.

[Cobotron]

That also doesn't mean Takara's version won't come with extras. Being released around the same time is no guarantee of sameness, especially when so many Trypti-snacks (errr, Titan masters) already exist.

mmmmmmmmmmmm Snack Masters.

He'll come with 50 extra Titan Masters all redecoed solid pale white and packaged in a movie theater popcorn bag for Trypticon to eat out of.

[King Kuuga]

That also doesn't mean Takara's version won't come with extras. Being released around the same time is no guarantee of sameness, especially when so many Trypti-snacks (errr, Titan masters) already exist.

mmmmmmmmmmmm Snack Masters.

He'll come with 50 extra Titan Masters all redecoed solid pale white and packaged in a movie theater popcorn bag for Trypticon to eat out of.

I would buy the hell out of that.

[Emerje]

It makes no sense for them to entirely bypass the entire summer con season like that. SDCC has always been a big deal for them, especially in a movie year. If they were to skip any convention it would be NYCC which is right after HASCON.

Emerje

You forget Cybertron Con, Hasbro made a HUGE deal of that last year and thats where we even had our first glimpse at Trypticon along with more reveals than what we saw at this year's toy fair (in terms of mainline gen figures).

I didn't forget about it, but I don't think being in China makes it a suitable replacement for SDCC and I'd like to think Hasbro knows that.

What you're forgetting is that Hasbro doesn't just do Transformers, but Cybertron Con is just a Transformers convention. Hasbro has Marvel movie figures and new Star Wars movie figures to promote among many other things and waiting until September at a family based con in Rhode Island is a terrible idea. HASCON is a nice idea for a supplemental con like BotCon, but as a full fledged replacement for their SDCC plans it's literally too little, too late.

Emerje

[william-james88]

It makes no sense for them to entirely bypass the entire summer con season like that. SDCC has always been a big deal for them, especially in a movie year. If they were to skip any convention it would be NYCC which is right after HASCON.

Emerje

You forget Cybertron Con, Hasbro made a HUGE deal of that last year and thats where we even had our first glimpse at Trypticon along with more reveals than what we saw at this year's toy fair (in terms of mainline gen figures).

I didn't forget about it, but I don't think being in China makes it a suitable replacement for SDCC and I'd like to think Hasbro knows that.

What you're forgetting is that Hasbro doesn't just do Transformers, but Cybertron Con is just a Transformers convention. Hasbro has Marvel movie figures and new Star Wars movie figures to promote among many other things and waiting until September at a family based con in Rhode Island is a terrible idea. HASCON is a nice idea for a supplemental con like BotCon, but as a full fledged replacement for their SDCC plans it's literally too little, too late.

Emerje

We are speaking of 2 different things. I was mainly replying to you saying Hasbro was skipping the summer season, which would be innacurate if they went to the Cybertron Con, at least for TFs.

And a ton of big companies have chosen to leave the show. We see that in other fanbases too, with Nintendo not attending E3 sometimes to do their own thing instead.

The special edition Trypticon could still be sold at HASCON. in any case, as an international fan, none of this really matters, its not like it makes getting an exclusive harder or easier than before.

Anyways, more proof that the Takara version wont be that much different from the hasbro version for Trypticon, AE has put up their preorders (where LG Trypticon is only $150 USD, so the same price as the Hasbro one): http://www.anime-export.com/product/35111

And the pic they use is the render we already have. This never happened before for that class, so this tells me they are confident enough to put that up to give an idea to their clients of what to expect.

[Emerje]

It makes no sense for them to entirely bypass the entire summer con season like that. SDCC has always been a big deal for them, especially in a movie year. If they were to skip any convention it would be NYCC which is right after HASCON.

Emerje

You forget Cybertron Con, Hasbro made a HUGE deal of that last year and thats where we even had our first glimpse at Trypticon along with more reveals than what we saw at this year's toy fair (in terms of mainline gen figures).

I didn't forget about it, but I don't think being in China makes it a suitable replacement for SDCC and I'd like to think Hasbro knows that.

What you're forgetting is that Hasbro doesn't just do Transformers, but Cybertron Con is just a Transformers convention. Hasbro has Marvel movie figures and new Star Wars movie figures to promote among many other things and waiting until September at a family based con in Rhode Island is a terrible idea. HASCON is a nice idea for a supplemental con like BotCon, but as a full fledged replacement for their SDCC plans it's literally too little, too late.

Emerje

We are speaking of 2 different things. I was mainly replying to you saying Hasbro was skipping the summer season, which would be innacurate if they went to the Cybertron Con, at least for TFs.

No, we're talking about the same thing. I don't consider a con in China as part of the traditional North American summer convention scene any more than I do Tokyo Toy Fair or Wonder Festival Summer even if Hasbro is involved.

And a ton of big companies have chosen to leave the show. We see that in other fanbases too, with Nintendo not attending E3 sometimes to do their own thing instead.

Sure, but those companies leaving either have an alternative convention prepared around the same time (like like D23 only a few days prior to SDCC) or show at an alternative location during the convention, not months later.

The special edition Trypticon could still be sold at HASCON. in any case, as an international fan, none of this really matters, its not like it makes getting an exclusive harder or easier than before.

I have to wonder what the point would be then. The previous 3 Titans were sold as the launching point for their respective molds, Trypticon should already be arriving before HASCON.

Anyways, more proof that the Takara version wont be that much different from the hasbro version for Trypticon, AE has put up their preorders (where LG Trypticon is only $150 USD, so the same price as the Hasbro one): http://www.anime-export.com/product/35111

And same price as Fortress Maximus with the sword. http://www.anime-export.com/product/31567 If anything that's more indication of an extra item.

And the pic they use is the render we already have. This never happened before for that class, so this tells me they are confident enough to put that up to give an idea to their clients of what to expect.

It's hardly the first time Takara Tomy (assuming that's the source of the image) used something from Hasbro as a stand-in, we've seen it done a number of times in magazines and even some conventions.

Emerje

[william-james88]

It's hardly the first time Takara Tomy (assuming that's the source of the image) used something from Hasbro as a stand-in, we've seen it done a number of times in magazines and even some conventions.

Emerje

But have we seen it done for Titan? Or something this big and expensive?

[Jelze Bunnycat]

The way I see it, everything points to Legends Dinosaurer having the same amount of content as TR Trypticon, as in the former has no extras compared to the latter. Until proven otherwise at a later date, we shouldn't be expecting much else. I know, it's not what we've grown to expect from TakaraTomy, with Metroflex's extra gun, Devastar's retooling, or Fortress Maximus's Master Sword...

[Emerje]

It's hardly the first time Takara Tomy (assuming that's the source of the image) used something from Hasbro as a stand-in, we've seen it done a number of times in magazines and even some conventions.

Emerje

But have we seen it done for Titan? Or something this big and expensive?

Not that I remember, but there have only been three Titans before now so it's hard to call anything we've seen one way or another meaningful proof of anything. They have displayed Hasbro's CW figures before, coated with a thin layer of primer.

Plus Takara Tomy hasn't officially announced Trypticon yet so most likely the images being used are just stand-ins. Now that I think about it, the CG images aren't really TT's thing, they'll show an unpainted or gray model prototype before they'll go that rout, right? Doesn't seem possible that TT would provide these to stores.

Emerje

[fenrir72]

Why not just wait for the official release?

[Sabrblade]

Say, guys, this is hardly news (considering it's for something that's kinda old by now), but if anyone's interested, here's a translation of one of the previous Legends pack-in comics that never got posted here before now. It's for the LGEX Black Convoy figure that was a redeco of Reveal the Shield Deluxe class Optimus Prime.

This translation was made awhile back, around the time that the second Unite Warriors Baldigus comic got translated, but which was still some time after the toy and its comic came out.

Better posted here late than never, I guess.

But first, here's the comic from the toy's Seibertron.com gallery:

Transformers Legends Black Convoy Gallery

And here's the translation (with some minor touch-ups done by myself):

Gelshark: Today I'm working here at the Tokyo Toy Show.

Caption: My name is Gelshark; I'm a Destronger who makes a living working part-time.

Human: For today's Transformer show, we'll have to request you to be the villain.

Gelshark: Henshin!

Gelshark: Aw, I don't like not being the lead, but I'll take it. (I need the performer's fee.) I might mistakenly defeat the hero, after all. (Hahaha.)

Gelshark: But I think another villain has appeared!

Black Convoy: Hahaha, I broke out of Cybertron's space prison and came to this world!

Black Convoy: I, the Destronger Dark Commander Black Convoy!

Black Convoy: I remodeled my body, bringing the flowers of evil to bloom!

Minor: Help me!

Gelshark: You're my old comrade, Black Convoy!

Black Convoy: Oh! Gelshark!

Black Convoy: What will you do? Will you cooperate with me?

Gelshark: That child came to see my show! (Although I'm the villain...)

Gelshark: The children here...

Gelshark: Do not touch them!

Black Convoy: Come along, Gelshark!

Black Convoy: Transform!

Gelshark: Return the child, Black Convoy!

Black Convoy: I won't, Gelshark!

Black Convoy: But I'll give you this! I stole from Cybertron's Vector Sigma...

Black Convoy: This Energon Matrix's power!

Black Convoy: Matrix Dead Maser!

Gelshark: Burnt!!

Black Convoy: It seems your skills haven't weakened.

Black Convoy: I came to pick you up today.

Minor: Gelshark-san!

Black Convoy: Come with me! Return to the stars to rescue Gigatron-tachi!

Gelshark: The one who saved my life, the Destronger leader Gigatron-sama!?

Black Convoy: Yes. His power is needed so I can conquer the universe.

Black Convoy: Hey, what are you doing? Let's go!!

Children: Gelshark-san, don't go...

Black Convoy: Well, then, onwards, Gelshark!

Black Convoy: In our universe, the flowers of evil shall bloom!

Crowd: Goodbye...

[Evil Eye]

That's hilarious. Based Sakamoto-Senpai strikes again!

(Though I will never understand what the hell "Gelshark" is supposed to mean. A shark made of gel?)

[Sabrblade]

That's hilarious. Based Sakamoto-Senpai strikes again!

(Though I will never understand what the hell "Gelshark" is supposed to mean. A shark made of gel?)

It's a hard G, rather than a soft G (i.e. "Ghell-shark" rather than "Jell-shark"). All of the beast-based Destrongers have names that begin with a hard G (Gigatron, Gelshark, Gaskunk, Gildor, Goosher). We don't really know why they have this pattern or what three of their names mean, but it is what it is.

Although, most of the humor in this issue is stylized after Gelshark's/Sky-Byte's own personality from the cartoon, so it was pretty easy for Sakamoto to make him funny.

[Cyberpath]

Wish Takara would use the hiatus to retool Triggerhappy, Misfire and Slugslinger from Headmasters to Targetmasters; because they look great. Won't happen though.

[william-james88]

Wish Takara would use the hiatus to retool Triggerhappy, Misfire and Slugslinger from Headmasters to Targetmasters; because they look great. Won't happen though.

I highly doubt Takara will release everyone of these anyway.

[Kurona]

Wish Takara would use the hiatus to retool Triggerhappy, Misfire and Slugslinger from Headmasters to Targetmasters; because they look great. Won't happen though.

I highly doubt Takara will release everyone of these anyway.

Why?

[fenrir72]

Wish Takara would use the hiatus to retool Triggerhappy, Misfire and Slugslinger from Headmasters to Targetmasters; because they look great. Won't happen though.

They'll eventually get the Takara treatment/bling. But re-create them as targetmasters?

[william-james88]

Wish Takara would use the hiatus to retool Triggerhappy, Misfire and Slugslinger from Headmasters to Targetmasters; because they look great. Won't happen though.

I highly doubt Takara will release everyone of these anyway.

Why?

Just a feeling. There is a lot of product and unlike with Combiner Wars, Takara only has 1 line to release them in this time. They already have a big backlog to get to, so toys with shared parts might get the cut. I could be wrong, but I have a feeling that those waiting for takara will at least be waiting a veeeeery long time for these. Maybe even as long as getting their version of Skids or deluxe Black Shadow.

[william-james88]

Plus Takara Tomy hasn't officially announced Trypticon yet so most likely the images being used are just stand-ins. Now that I think about it, the CG images aren't really TT's thing, they'll show an unpainted or gray model prototype before they'll go that rout, right? Doesn't seem possible that TT would provide these to stores.

Emerje

Well turns out they are TT provided. Takara has just revealed Trypticon with an article all to himself on Dengecki Hobby and the images are...
The same ones: http://hobby.dengeki.com/news/349470/

So yeah, Takara is officially using these as their way to unveil their Trypticon. Make of that what you will.

[Sabrblade]

Plus Takara Tomy hasn't officially announced Trypticon yet so most likely the images being used are just stand-ins. Now that I think about it, the CG images aren't really TT's thing, they'll show an unpainted or gray model prototype before they'll go that rout, right? Doesn't seem possible that TT would provide these to stores.

Emerje

Well turns out they are TT provided. Takara has just revealed Trypticon with an article all to himself on Dengecki Hobby and the images are...
The same ones: http://hobby.dengeki.com/news/349470/

So yeah, Takara is officially using these as their way to unveil their Trypticon. Make of that what you will.

At the very least, that page does point out that the images are of CG renders instead of the finalized toy.

And the text descriptions accompanying each image reveal that the images are merely showing off the toy's features and gimmick rather than specific deco detail.

[william-james88]

Plus Takara Tomy hasn't officially announced Trypticon yet so most likely the images being used are just stand-ins. Now that I think about it, the CG images aren't really TT's thing, they'll show an unpainted or gray model prototype before they'll go that rout, right? Doesn't seem possible that TT would provide these to stores.

Emerje

Well turns out they are TT provided. Takara has just revealed Trypticon with an article all to himself on Dengecki Hobby and the images are...
The same ones: http://hobby.dengeki.com/news/349470/

So yeah, Takara is officially using these as their way to unveil their Trypticon. Make of that what you will.

At the very least, that page does point out that the images are of CG renders instead of the finalized toy.

And the text descriptions accompanying each image reveal that the images are merely showing off the toy's features and gimmick rather than specific deco detail.

All I said was that these were the official pics Takara was using for the reveal and as far as I know that is not wrong. Glad to know they come with a preamble/warning.

So yeah, another odd precedent to add now in this line (along with releasing the same character twice (Brainstorm)).

[Hellscream9999]

So,anyone who knows these things better than I do, if the legends line is being put on hold for the movie figures (if I've heard that correctly) when might we see reveals for their versions of the wave 3+ tr figures? (really want to see what they do with hot rod)

[william-james88]

So,anyone who knows these things better than I do, if the legends line is being put on hold for the movie figures (if I've heard that correctly) when might we see reveals for their versions of the wave 3+ tr figures? (really want to see what they do with hot rod)

I am 100% certain Takara will give us a version of TR hotrod. Its not an IF but a WHEN.

But remember, they may combine him with a targetmaster partner bringing up his price point, which might still make some fans on the fence go with the Hasbro version (if the Hasbro version is still available at non scalper prices).

Waiting for the takara releases is always a tricky thing. But since its an original mold, it will happen , we just have to be patient.

[Cobotron]

If I may, I believe HS is contemplating what we call a "Double Dip".