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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby Emerje » Thu Mar 09, 2023 3:42 am

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Emerje wrote:Maybe if you cross your fingers really tightly Takara Tomy will make a Voyager sized Megatron one day that turns into a gun. They still make gun Megatrons over there because guns are so rare that it's simply unfathomable that a child would have access to one.

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I wonder how gun laws are over there...

To my understanding they're pretty loose over there and companies have their choice of safety organizations they can join with safety measures ranging from specific stamps to a warning label on the package. Even highly realistic and regulated Airsoft guns don't require orange caps like they do in most countries. One thing I found looking into it is that Japan considers a model or toy gun safe if there's no way to modify it into a real gun, be it made of plastic or zinc alloy (die cast) or being made with a steel plate in the barrel or a metal rod running the length of the gun. So transforming robots probably aren't going to be much of an issue there.

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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby Rodimus Prime » Thu Mar 09, 2023 10:36 am

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Emerje wrote:
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
Emerje wrote:Maybe if you cross your fingers really tightly Takara Tomy will make a Voyager sized Megatron one day that turns into a gun. They still make gun Megatrons over there because guns are so rare that it's simply unfathomable that a child would have access to one.

Emerje


I wonder how gun laws are over there...

To my understanding they're pretty loose over there and companies have their choice of safety organizations they can join with safety measures ranging from specific stamps to a warning label on the package. Even highly realistic and regulated Airsoft guns don't require orange caps like they do in most countries. One thing I found looking into it is that Japan considers a model or toy gun safe if there's no way to modify it into a real gun, be it made of plastic or zinc alloy (die cast) or being made with a steel plate in the barrel or a metal rod running the length of the gun. So transforming robots probably aren't going to be much of an issue there.

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Their parenting is most likely superior to the US as well, prompting most children to be more responsible. Not sure how competent their cops are.
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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby AcademyofDrX » Thu Mar 09, 2023 10:56 am

Rodimus Prime wrote:Their parenting is most likely superior to the US as well, prompting most children to be more responsible. Not sure how competent their cops are.

Yes, I'm sure the parenting is the primary explanation, doesn't have anything to do with the comparative gun ownership rates. Japan: 0.3 per 100 people, US: 120 per 100 people. I would prefer to keep gun politics out of the thread entirely, but if that's too much to ask, maybe we should start talking facts and not nonsense.
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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:06 am

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Rodimus Prime wrote:Their parenting is most likely superior to the US as well, prompting most children to be more responsible. Not sure how competent their cops are.
The cops must be very stressed out what with all the kaiju, giant robots, and superpowered spandex-clad heroes and villains Japan has to deal with on a regular basis.

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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby o.supreme » Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:54 am

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AcademyofDrX wrote:I'm sure the parenting is the primary explanation, doesn't have anything to do with the comparative gun ownership rates. Japan: 0.3 per 100 people, US: 120 per 100 people. I would prefer to keep gun politics out of the thread entirely, but if that's too much to ask, maybe we should start talking facts and not nonsense.


Speaking of facts vs nonsense...you are saying there are 20% more Guns in the United States than there are people as a whole ?(396 Million Guns in a nation of 330 million people?) not sure where you came up with that... I just had to double check my home to make sure there wasn't some stash of weaponry I wasn't ware of.... To my knowledge there are still (thankfully) no guns in my home.

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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby AcademyofDrX » Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:58 am

o.supreme wrote:
AcademyofDrX wrote:I'm sure the parenting is the primary explanation, doesn't have anything to do with the comparative gun ownership rates. Japan: 0.3 per 100 people, US: 120 per 100 people. I would prefer to keep gun politics out of the thread entirely, but if that's too much to ask, maybe we should start talking facts and not nonsense.


Speaking of facts vs nonsense...you are saying there are 20% more Guns in the United States than there are people as a whole ?(396 Million Guns in a nation of 330 million people?) not sure where you came up with that... I just had to double check my home to make sure there wasn't some stash of weaponry I wasn't ware of.... To my knowledge there are still (thankfully) no guns in my home.

You may be surprised to learn that some people have more than one gun.
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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby o.supreme » Thu Mar 09, 2023 1:38 pm

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Pretty sure far more people don't own any weapons at all vs ones with multiples
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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby AcademyofDrX » Thu Mar 09, 2023 2:19 pm

o.supreme wrote:Pretty sure far more people don't own any weapons at all vs ones with multiples

Yes, but some of the ones who own multiples own many, many multiples. Let me Google that for you. Jump down to the section "Only a few gun owners hold a large share of guns"
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/02/us/gun-o ... index.html
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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby Rodimus Prime » Thu Mar 09, 2023 4:01 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:Their parenting is most likely superior to the US as well, prompting most children to be more responsible. Not sure how competent their cops are.

Yes, I'm sure the parenting is the primary explanation, doesn't have anything to do with the comparative gun ownership rates. Japan: 0.3 per 100 people, US: 120 per 100 people. I would prefer to keep gun politics out of the thread entirely, but if that's too much to ask, maybe we should start talking facts and not nonsense.
The number of guns is irrelevant. It only takes 1 gun to do damage if someone thinks it's acceptable. If people were responsible with them to begin with (which in most cases start when they're children and learn to follow behavior examples of the adults in their lives) there wouldn't be a need for laws prohibiting toy guns because the chances that a child would be wielding a real gun would be practically zero. Either the kid's parent would know to safely keep it away, or the kid would know not to touch it even if it's accessible. When I was a child we had firearms around and I was told only once not to touch any of them without adult supervision. I'm still here and I never shot anyone.

And the fact that you dismiss parental accountability as "nonsense" shows just how faulty your thinking is. You also fault cutlery for the obesity problem in the US instead of people's lack of sense in using them. And to be clear, I'm talking about handguns that are easier to replicate as toys, and what Megatron was in TF:TM. I'm not in favor of people (or ANYONE) owning what is termed by anti-gun people as "assault rifles."
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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby AcademyofDrX » Thu Mar 09, 2023 4:07 pm

Completely irrelevant, a huge coincidence, thank you for your contributions.
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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby Rodimus Prime » Thu Mar 09, 2023 4:10 pm

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AcademyofDrX wrote:Completely irrelevant, a huge coincidence, thank you for your contributions.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That about sums up what I expected your response to be. Just take your L and move on.
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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby AcademyofDrX » Thu Mar 09, 2023 4:17 pm

Here's the thing, as long as gun violence is the primary cause of death of children in this country, you're not going to get a gun Megatron. The former is the only thing that bothers me, not the latter.
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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby Rodimus Prime » Thu Mar 09, 2023 4:20 pm

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AcademyofDrX wrote:Here's the thing, as long as gun violence is the primary cause of death of children in this country, you're not going to get a gun Megatron. The former is the only thing that bothers me, not the latter.
Agreed. I've stated previously I'm fine with not getting a gun Megatron. And I'm absolutely NOT fine with gun violence towards children or even adults. We do have a difference of opinion on the root cause.
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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby Rodimus Prime » Thu Mar 09, 2023 4:43 pm

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-Kanrabat- wrote:I feel some angry green text incoming.
Why? We were having a discussion, and it was relevant to the (im)possibility of SS86 Megatron being a handgun.
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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby -Kanrabat- » Thu Mar 09, 2023 5:02 pm

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-Kanrabat- wrote:I feel some angry green text incoming.
Why? We were having a discussion, and it was relevant to the (im)possibility of SS86 Megatron being a handgun.


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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby AcademyofDrX » Thu Mar 09, 2023 5:12 pm

We're back on the rails, sometimes we just have to accept that people have different beliefs. For my part I apologize for being so snarky and dismissive, it's easy for me to get wound up, and angry posting never did anyone any good.
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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby Rodimus Prime » Thu Mar 09, 2023 5:21 pm

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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby Roadbuster » Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:52 pm

Well... how about they include a G1 Megatron handgun accessory so other Decepticons and Autobots can wield it? It might be the best way around the laws. Full sized Megs would turn into a tank, but comes with a small gun accessory to simulate his gun alt mode and be used by other Transformers.
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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby -Kanrabat- » Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:01 pm

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Roadbuster wrote:Well... how about they include a G1 Megatron handgun accessory so other Decepticons and Autobots can wield it? It might be the best way around the laws. Full sized Megs would turn into a tank, but comes with a small gun accessory to simulate his gun alt mode and be used by other Transformers.


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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby Sowndwave76 » Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:18 pm

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Roadbuster wrote:Well... how about they include a G1 Megatron handgun accessory so other Decepticons and Autobots can wield it? It might be the best way around the laws. Full sized Megs would turn into a tank, but comes with a small gun accessory to simulate his gun alt mode and be used by other Transformers.


This is a solid idea, and also would help really justify the Leader class cost.
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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby Emerje » Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:25 pm

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Roadbuster wrote:Well... how about they include a G1 Megatron handgun accessory so other Decepticons and Autobots can wield it? It might be the best way around the laws. Full sized Megs would turn into a tank, but comes with a small gun accessory to simulate his gun alt mode and be used by other Transformers.

Yeah, we talked previously about that as a possibility, using Core Megatron as a precedent.

(And it seems I spent much too long reading about the differences between precedent and precedence and everyone already replied.)

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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:56 pm

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Re: Studio Series 86 Discussion

Postby Hero Alpha » Sun Mar 12, 2023 10:29 pm

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I just use Super Megatron as my Megs. And if I really need Gun Megatron, the Siege one for bot mode and the Megs gun that came with Centurion weapon pack for alt mode. Problem solved for me. But For SS86 I would take an accurate robot mode with a tank alt mode. :D
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