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Is there any evidence in either the comics or cartoons suggesting what Cybertronian technology was like in the good old days, prior to the war? I'm assuming that over the course of the years (even before the Decepticons rose up) it advanced somewhat, but what was it like when Cybertron first 'appeared'.

I remember in the cartoon they often showed older robots ("War Dawn" and that season three episode with A3, for example) and they looked simplistic compared to the present day robots. I suppose what I really want to know is whether 'primitive' Cybertronian technology was a lot like ours (Vector Prime gives me this impression slightly) or whether even primitive Cybertronian technology was far more advanced than our current efforts.

Does anyone have any thoughts?

yes i have to tend to agree as they also showed the cybertron history in dessertion of the dinobots when they went into the depths of cybertron
the robots appeared less defined the technology wasnt lacking in all areas though but it was defenitly cool to see

the trains at the bottom of the planet
the traps
the video vision
the cybertonium pits
and the depths of cybertron
all of these were just small pieces of cybertron that looked enhanced or just were plain old w no technology

One generalization I've always made about Cybertronian tech is that, much like ours, it seems to get more compact and efficient over time. The Beast Wars showed us complex Cybertronians close to human size as the norm, and they had abilities like auto-repair that had never been featured before. However, I think since we're dealing with living robots here that we can assume that even their most ancient and primitive technology is more advanced than Earth stuff...

Novacron wrote:One generalization I've always made about Cybertronian tech is that, much like ours, it seems to get more compact and efficient over time. The Beast Wars showed us complex Cybertronians close to human size as the norm, and they had abilities like auto-repair that had never been featured before. However, I think since we're dealing with living robots here that we can assume that even their most ancient and primitive technology is more advanced than Earth stuff...

But we are human sized, and in a way we have auto repair. Wouldn't that make us more advanced physically then they are? As a mechanical life form, they are just learning make their bodies do what ours have been doing automatically for a long time. And that we have achieved what we did in a short time compared to them taking millions of years.

Interesting points.

Think of their vehicles or spaceships. Would their first efforts have been more advanced than our space shuttles or automobiles? Obviously, there's would be larger, but would they be technologically superior?

Zombie Starscream wrote:

Novacron wrote:One generalization I've always made about Cybertronian tech is that, much like ours, it seems to get more compact and efficient over time. The Beast Wars showed us complex Cybertronians close to human size as the norm, and they had abilities like auto-repair that had never been featured before. However, I think since we're dealing with living robots here that we can assume that even their most ancient and primitive technology is more advanced than Earth stuff...

But we are human sized, and in a way we have auto repair. Wouldn't that make us more advanced physically then they are? As a mechanical life form, they are just learning make their bodies do what ours have been doing automatically for a long time. And that we have achieved what we did in a short time compared to them taking millions of years.

We still don't have intersteller travel, and they got an edge on us.....they can, barring acidents, live forever pretty much. Plus autobots and maximals dont **** each other over in the name of profit and stuff.

Emperor Primacron the 1st wrote:

Zombie Starscream wrote:

Novacron wrote:One generalization I've always made about Cybertronian tech is that, much like ours, it seems to get more compact and efficient over time. The Beast Wars showed us complex Cybertronians close to human size as the norm, and they had abilities like auto-repair that had never been featured before. However, I think since we're dealing with living robots here that we can assume that even their most ancient and primitive technology is more advanced than Earth stuff...

But we are human sized, and in a way we have auto repair. Wouldn't that make us more advanced physically then they are? As a mechanical life form, they are just learning make their bodies do what ours have been doing automatically for a long time. And that we have achieved what we did in a short time compared to them taking millions of years.

We still don't have intersteller travel, and they got an edge on us.....they can, barring acidents, live forever pretty much. Plus autobots and maximals dont **** each other over in the name of profit and stuff.

If they could theoretically live forever, why are there only a very few old Transformers?

Zombie Starscream wrote:

Emperor Primacron the 1st wrote:

Zombie Starscream wrote:

Novacron wrote:One generalization I've always made about Cybertronian tech is that, much like ours, it seems to get more compact and efficient over time. The Beast Wars showed us complex Cybertronians close to human size as the norm, and they had abilities like auto-repair that had never been featured before. However, I think since we're dealing with living robots here that we can assume that even their most ancient and primitive technology is more advanced than Earth stuff...

But we are human sized, and in a way we have auto repair. Wouldn't that make us more advanced physically then they are? As a mechanical life form, they are just learning make their bodies do what ours have been doing automatically for a long time. And that we have achieved what we did in a short time compared to them taking millions of years.

We still don't have intersteller travel, and they got an edge on us.....they can, barring acidents, live forever pretty much. Plus autobots and maximals dont **** each other over in the name of profit and stuff.

If they could theoretically live forever, why are there only a very few old Transformers?

Alpha-Trion was a freak to begin with. And the others are old, Optimus Prime is like 5 million years old, Shcokwave's been around for a few million years. I'd just say Alpha-Trion was some weirdo who likes beards.

Plus, in most G1esque continuities, there was some sort of war between Cybertron's creation and the Golden Age of Cybertron. MAny of the early TFs would probably have died in the course of this conflict.

Also, I'd like to point out that just because a TF has a certain tech in his body, doesn't mean TFs understand it. Look at Skywarp's teleportation ability, why was that never reproduced if TFs understood it? And in the DW continuity, look how long it takes Shockwave to reproduce the triplechanger tech.

One of the Combaticons made a remark about the advancement of Decepticon technology since they were inprisoned.

Sunstar wrote:One of the Combaticons made a remark about the advancement of Decepticon technology since they were inprisoned.

Probably they could not merge togather like they could when Starscream busted them out.

I am not sure if any specific was given as to how long those guys were sitting in a storage locker. And if they were so dangerous to Megatron, that he actually had their minds ( sparks too probably. Sorry, Ray, but this is how I view it. ), they he did not lock them up again after all that, since he had not one, but two separate opportunities.

Caelus wrote:Plus, in most G1esque continuities, there was some sort of war between Cybertron's creation and the Golden Age of Cybertron. MAny of the early TFs would probably have died in the course of this conflict.

Also, I'd like to point out that just because a TF has a certain tech in his body, doesn't mean TFs understand it. Look at Skywarp's teleportation ability, why was that never reproduced if TFs understood it? And in the DW continuity, look how long it takes Shockwave to reproduce the triplechanger tech.

I would imagine this to be the case.

Leonardo wrote:

Caelus wrote:Plus, in most G1esque continuities, there was some sort of war between Cybertron's creation and the Golden Age of Cybertron. MAny of the early TFs would probably have died in the course of this conflict.

Also, I'd like to point out that just because a TF has a certain tech in his body, doesn't mean TFs understand it. Look at Skywarp's teleportation ability, why was that never reproduced if TFs understood it? And in the DW continuity, look how long it takes Shockwave to reproduce the triplechanger tech.

I would imagine this to be the case.

I guess kind of how humans have all that very complex organic "machinery" in our bodies, but we don't understand every thing about it. And maybe how scientists are still trying to understand the brain, even though almost everything and its uncle has one.

Zombie Starscream wrote:

Leonardo wrote:

Caelus wrote:Plus, in most G1esque continuities, there was some sort of war between Cybertron's creation and the Golden Age of Cybertron. MAny of the early TFs would probably have died in the course of this conflict.

Also, I'd like to point out that just because a TF has a certain tech in his body, doesn't mean TFs understand it. Look at Skywarp's teleportation ability, why was that never reproduced if TFs understood it? And in the DW continuity, look how long it takes Shockwave to reproduce the triplechanger tech.

I would imagine this to be the case.

I guess kind of how humans have all that very complex organic "machinery" in our bodies, but we don't understand every thing about it. And maybe how scientists are still trying to understand the brain, even though almost everything and its uncle has one.

Exactly. 3 million years our species has been walking around with all this meatchinary, and our grand discoveries have been crude methods of how to prevent and repair damage. We're little better than mechanics or maintenance men with regard to our biology. Only in this past century have scientists and engineers really started to explore the possibility of improving, adapting, altering, or reproducing our natural-technology.

Yes, but organics are somewhat more complex and difficult to recreate. I image if Prime lost an arm, Wheeljack could cobble one together out of spare parts, align the servomotors, match the paint, do some tinkering and attatch it much the same way large pieces of machineries are repaired. If a human looses an arm, you can't just pull some parts off your ship and fashion it into a fully working arm. Unless we develop bio-ships.

I reckon Cybertronian tech started off primitive, harsher lines on the bots, less abilities, etc. Compare those shown in flashbacks to the likes of the Headmasters.