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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Notimus Crime » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:22 am

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-Kanrabat- wrote:I'm not arguing if violence is "justified" or not. My point is, it doesn't make it right.

Because if violence and unrest is right to ensure change, then ISIS, HAMAS, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, and so on, did nothing wrong.

I'm not arguing that it's right either. I have never argued that violence is a good method for ensuring change. What I'm arguing is that simply pointing at the problem and wanting it to go away does nothing to stop it. You have to introspect, figure out what led to this, and take corrective measures to make sure it never happens again. Violence such as we're seeing right now is a product of civil unrest and civil unrest among a population of people is a product of societal and environmental factors. As Dr. King said, "riots do not develop out of thin air.". Just saying "Violence bad" (a value which I hold to, let me reiterate that) and stopping the violence means nothing if you don't actually address the issues that led to that violence. And that doesn't mean you capitulate to the demands of the aggressors. I'm not arguing "oh well one of the bigger reasons the Nazis gained power was because they capitalized on the fact that Germany was left in severe poverty when the Treaty of Versailles put the entirety of the blame for World War 1 on them and made them foot the entirety of the bill. So therefore we should have given Hitler as much land as he wanted and let him kill any ethnic group he so pleased.". No. You reflect on what led to this and address the societal issues that caused it to happen. If we had just bombed the Nazis to hell and then left Germany in ruins (with no corrective action) there probably would've been another comparable dictator in a couple decades or so. Instead we punished those responsible, reduced Germany's ability to wage war, and then we supervised their reconstruction (not giving enough for them to gain power but making sure they had enough so that they didn't starve like they did post WW1). Bringing this back to Black Lives Matter, the violent protesters are wrong in their methods but they are right in their message. The police need serious reform and we need to do more for people in impoverished and poor communities than tell them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps when the vast majority of them don't have boots (speaking metaphorically, of course). Do what you can to limit the inevitable violence, but don't maintain a laser focus on only that and let that be the end all be all of the conversation.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby -Kanrabat- » Sat Aug 22, 2020 5:43 pm

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Well Notimus, no matter how you try to justify what's happening, the "cause" is basically lost. Even if the majority of the people supporting BLM like you have "good intentions", ACTION speak louder than words. Once Antifa and BLM have started going to residential areas to spread terror, intimidate, and even beat normal people up, the ones who didn't care before now do.

And now, most people see BLM in a negative light, thanks to the worst PR campaing from the activists ever.

Pro sports drank the BLM Kool-Aid. Their viewership is at an all time low. So low they have to fake audience in the stadiums. More and more people are leaving the Democrats, who felt they have betrayed the People. Just a quick look at the #walkaway movement will give you an idea. Many liberals like me are STILL liberals. But the Left left us. When even one of the founder of the #MEETOO movement, Hollywood actress Rose McGowan CALL OUT THE DEMOCRATS, there's something deeply wrong with "the cause".

Trump once asked the long running Democrat cities "what do you have to lose (by voting republican)" in 2016. The reason BLM is a thing at all is because the trouble was brewing in those Democrat fortresses for decades. Like a beaten wife, the people kept voting them in over and over and nothing change.

This add by a Republican candidate exploded on Twitter and Youtube. It's an add but it also show a truth that too many refuse to see. The likes VS dislikes ratio show that it do strike a chord in people's heart.



Well, we will see if the people in those Democrat cities will get over their Stockolm Syndrome and vote in the Republicans. Then it will be interesting to see if the Republicans will be able to bring in some change, or will they fail miserably.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby AcademyofDrX » Sat Aug 22, 2020 6:17 pm

Oh my gosh, every week with this guy. "Sports ratings are down and they have fake fans." If you stopped reading far right conspiracy websites and looked around a little, maybe you'd notice there's a massive pandemic unlike anything the modern world has seen? I don't know all of your beliefs, but I don't know a lot of liberals who run around repeating the US President's talking points word-for-word. Let it go, dude, you're shouting into the void.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby -Kanrabat- » Sat Aug 22, 2020 7:03 pm

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AcademyofDrX wrote:If you stopped reading far right conspiracy websites


Sigh... #-o

I know you won't take a look at the video below but this sketch is the perfect embodiment of current year's political climate.



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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby -WonkoTheSane- » Sat Aug 22, 2020 7:18 pm

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-Kanrabat- wrote:

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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby AcademyofDrX » Sat Aug 22, 2020 7:24 pm

Wow, I feel very put in my place given the fact that you rebutted me with the reactionary "current year" line straight from /pol. And no, I'm not watching that video, I've developed a political philosophy independently from YTers, too much risk of falling into a black hole of incels. Enjoy your sophisticated political philosophy at 720p.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Truthstar9 » Sat Aug 22, 2020 9:09 pm

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UnderYourCloset wrote:All lives matter.

This is a Transformers site. I don't want **** political topics in the news.


It's a Transformers site. But it's my site. This is happening today here on Seibertron.com. This is MY form of protesting. There are a lot of other Transformers fansites out there if you want to hide under a rock and pretend that all of this isn't happening. Today, here on Seibertron.com, we are going to acknowledge the unfair treatment black people are continuing to suffer and hopefully some of you can come up with some things we each can do to help make the world a better place for people of all colors.



Nice site. Stupid thinking though. And here's why...

The United States of America is THE least racist country in the entire world. For someone that has traveled all over the world and lived in other countries I should know. Take your ass to Asia and you'll get a good idea how "blacks" are considered; they'll say it to your face and God help you if you stand up for yourself, not only will 20 jump you, you'll get arrested. Gee, didn't this exact thing happen to Wendell, and he got convicted 4years in jail. Guess who saved his ass? President Trump.
Europe is no better, they just are better actors. Africa? Damn, even American Blacks wouldn't be accepted there. Try a vacation in Russia or Eastern Europe...enjoy the nightlife, bet you get jumped to a bloody mess.
So do tell us which country should the USA emulate? I know, you don't really care about what happens in other countries, or the blatant SLAVE trade going on to this day in ME or Africa....those are other's problems right? You want something done HERE. Something to make yourself feel important and special...things that 99% of us have to WORK for and achieve for our family's future. But, it's always easier to complain your way to success. Trust me, I see it all the time in every company I've worked for.

How many "minorities" are there who are police, firemen, politicians, military, business owners etc? There is NO systemic racism in this country. There are though stupid police officers, firemen, politicians etc.
I understand the need to feel a victim. Its an avenue to get something for not really working hard for it, and to feel special because Mom and Dad didn't do their job properly; so now you expect the Government to be that mommy that never was.

What is BLM advocating for, a complete upheaval of our system of government for a socialist cause? BLM leaders who are known Communists funded by sources outside the country. Hah, BLM sure is showing it's true color! Good luck, because too many Americans swore an Oath to the Constitution.

What I say to you is simple. Any American who supports the BLM movement is playing with treason.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby -WonkoTheSane- » Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:31 pm

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Truthstar9 wrote:
Seibertron wrote:
UnderYourCloset wrote:All lives matter.

This is a Transformers site. I don't want **** political topics in the news.


It's a Transformers site. But it's my site. This is happening today here on Seibertron.com. This is MY form of protesting. There are a lot of other Transformers fansites out there if you want to hide under a rock and pretend that all of this isn't happening. Today, here on Seibertron.com, we are going to acknowledge the unfair treatment black people are continuing to suffer and hopefully some of you can come up with some things we each can do to help make the world a better place for people of all colors.

Take your ass to Asia and you'll get a good idea how "blacks" are considered; they'll say it to your face and God help you if you stand up for yourself, not only will 20 jump you, you'll get arrested.

You're wrong. If you're lucky you'll get arrested, If you're not, You'll "disappear". I have no problem with the Chinese people or culture, But their leaders human rights violations are truly horrifying.
They're literally living Orwell's novel 1984 over there.
Its really a shame.
Also, I never really knew racism was a big thing there, But from a quick google search I can see apparently it is.
I can see why people wanted to keep politics off the site (you can't really say (IMO) that Floyd's death (as much of a travesty as it was) wasn't political- It wasn't- But both sides quickly tried to make it political) And in today's toxic political landscape, No one wants a civil discourse, Mostly everybody wants to argue, Even if you're on their side (and I don't mean like a debate, I mean like hateful bickering, Which solves nothing). For me, The Transformers fandom was always about bringing people together, And sadly, At this point, All politics is good for is dividing.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Truthstar9 » Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:41 pm

Make no mistake. Floyd's death is a national embarrassment.

However, I'm not subscribing to the racial BS. I saw 2 whites, an Asian and a mixed cop there. Cops kill and arrest whites just as much to make a career for themselves and get off on their power trips.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Truthstar9 » Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:50 pm

-WonkoTheSane- wrote:
Truthstar9 wrote:
Seibertron wrote:
UnderYourCloset wrote:All lives matter.

This is a Transformers site. I don't want **** political topics in the news.


It's a Transformers site. But it's my site. This is happening today here on Seibertron.com. This is MY form of protesting. There are a lot of other Transformers fansites out there if you want to hide under a rock and pretend that all of this isn't happening. Today, here on Seibertron.com, we are going to acknowledge the unfair treatment black people are continuing to suffer and hopefully some of you can come up with some things we each can do to help make the world a better place for people of all colors.

Take your ass to Asia and you'll get a good idea how "blacks" are considered; they'll say it to your face and God help you if you stand up for yourself, not only will 20 jump you, you'll get arrested.

You're wrong. If you're lucky you'll get arrested, If you're not, You'll "disappear". I have no problem with the Chinese people or culture, But their leaders human rights violations are truly horrifying.
They're literally living Orwell's novel 1984 over there.
Its really a shame.
Also, I never really knew racism was a big thing there, But from a quick google search I can see apparently it is.
I can see why people wanted to keep politics off the site (you can't really say (IMO) that Floyd's death (as much of a travesty as it was) wasn't political- It wasn't- But both sides quickly tried to make it political) And in today's toxic political landscape, No one wants a civil discourse, Mostly everybody wants to argue, Even if you're on their side (and I don't mean like a debate, I mean like hateful bickering, Which solves nothing). For me, The Transformers fandom was always about bringing people together, And sadly, At this point, All politics is good for is dividing.



Btw, its no just China. Research Japanese, Hakkō_ichiu and their principle of being superior.

Heck, I'm white as snow and wasn't allowed in a South Korean restaurant. "no, tables sorry. No foreigners, so sorry, you go.". At least they smiled and were polite in escorting me out. Has that ever happened to you in the USA?
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby -Kanrabat- » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:38 am

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Truthstar9 wrote:Make no mistake. Floyd's death is a national embarrassment.

However, I'm not subscribing to the racial BS. I saw 2 whites, an Asian and a mixed cop there. Cops kill and arrest whites just as much to make a career for themselves and get off on their power trips.


True. Even if it was proven that it was the drug overdose that killed Floyd, the cops should have called an ambulance right from the start as they were arresting him instead of dicking around.
There was no racism there. Just embarassing incompetence.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Rodimus Prime » Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:20 am

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No, it was more than that. It was a grossly disgraceful misuse of authority and abuse of power that resulted in a man's death. Absolutely unacceptable. Whether it had anything to do with Floyd's skin color is not something we can determine just with what we know. Others might have that perception based on prior experiences with police or other circumstances in their lives. But unless there's concrete evidence that they treated him like that just because he was black we can't be sure. What baffles me to this day is how the hell Derek chauvin thought he could get away with it. I mean whoever was recording it had the phone pretty much in his face the whole time. Was he that arrogant and delusional about his authority? As for the person recording, why didn't s/he try to intervene? Wasn't Floyd's life worth an obstruction or even assault on a cop charge? I know that's serious but it was all recorded so I don't know if it would have resulted in the person getting in a lot of trouble. And the scene played out on a public street in daylight for over 10 minutes if we include Floyd's initial resistance and struggle with the cops. Didn't anyone else feel the need to save this man's life? I guess we may never get the answers to these questions. Sure, people will tell you what they *think* happened, or what the reasons were, but in the end, it's a senseless act of violence that defies reason.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby -Kanrabat- » Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:47 am

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That's what I meant by "gross incompetence". When someone is so "right" that he's doing his thing anyway despite something bad happening, either by ill intent or ignorence, that's gross incompetence. The cops around the guy who let it all happen without doing anything were as incompetent. And when your job is to be resonsible for lives, incompetence is often fatal.

Floyd was shouting "I can't breathe" long before the neck thing. He was clearly tripping balls badly. As soon as they saw the guy in that state, an ambulance should have been called ASAP. If they did, Floyd would be alive today.

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Regardless of that particular incident, BIG BROTHER is here thanks to the fact that most people have now portable cameras with instant internet access. Everyone record everyone. Bad cops are now immediately spotted as well as criminals. Especially the rioters WHO FILM THEMSELVES COMMITING CRIMES! I mean, how dumb can you be? These criminals feel like nothing can stop them. But the hammer is dropping. Many of those narcissistic criminals are being arrested and charged.

There's also 4chan. If you commit a gross injustice and you get filmed doing it, 4chan will hunt you down. It happenned several times. Like for this soyboy below, who violently punted a man who tried saving a trans woman from rioters:



Or even some random girls being dicks against a MAGA hat wearing 7 year old:



It's scary and reassuring at the same time. Cameras are everywhere. You do a crime, you will be seen. It may take days, weeks, or even months, but justice will come. No matter your color or affiliation. A criminal or idiot on camera will NEVER get away with it.

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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby ShadowKatt » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:21 am

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-Kanrabat- wrote:Pro sports drank the BLM Kool-Aid. Their viewership is at an all time low. So low they have to fake audience in the stadiums.


Okay, dude, I'm on your side here. But when you say stupid ****, I'm gonna call you on saying stupid ****.

The empty stadiums are NOT the fault of BLM. That one is purely a covid reaction. The reason they're faking audiences is because they're not allowed to HAVE audiences. Which I think is stupid too but that's not pertinant to this discussion. That is not a BLM issue.

NOW, if you want something that IS a BLM issue, lets take their viewership. MLB, NBA, NFL. Their viewership as a whole is tanking, hard. And it's not hard to figure out why. It's not enough that people aren't coming to the stadiums to watch; they can't. But no one is watching at home either, and why is that? Because when they turn on the basketball game, Black Lives Matter has been laquered across the court. When they turn on baseball, black lives matter is draped across half the billboards so it's in every shot. And then during the seventh inning stretch they all demonstrate by kneeling on the field instead of just getting back to the game since there isn't an audience there to need a break. And the NFL can't even begin the game without a kneeling ceremony, the "black" national anthem, and at least one testimony on how the US is such a racist and unequal country despite the fact that at least half the players on BOTH teams are black and make more moeny in one game than a dozen working class families. No one wants to turn into their hobby or their escape to be lectured, derided, blamed, insulted, and accused of racism for what can only be a distinction made on their race since over broadcast media you can't address anyone directly, you can only address them as a group. Specificly a white group. Or a middle class group. Or any broad group you can choose that basicly invalidates the entire premise of systemic oppression by using the broadcast system to try and guilt trip and oppress that group.

Oddly enough, that's the same arguement that was made here, when we logged onto a TRANSFORMERS site only to have it thrown in our face with wonderful people like DX coming out to basicly say Black Lives Matter and if you don't agree then **** you. Ain't it funny how everything is similarly entangled.

If you want to make a statement about sports and BLM, please do. But make the RIGHT statement.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby -Kanrabat- » Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:06 pm

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Shadowcat, everything you said was mostly on point.
I simply oversimplified things. The Covid bull is the main cause for the mostly empty stadiums, of course, but I should have pointed bout the viewership on TV.

People just wanted to escape the everyday bull of life when tuning in. They don't want to be lectured by overpaid athletes. The out of touch athletes were outraged when the scene below happened:




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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Truthstar9 » Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:55 pm

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-Kanrabat- wrote:Pro sports drank the BLM Kool-Aid. Their viewership is at an all time low. So low they have to fake audience in the stadiums.


Okay, dude, I'm on your side here. But when you say stupid ****, I'm gonna call you on saying stupid ****.

The empty stadiums are NOT the fault of BLM. That one is purely a covid reaction. The reason they're faking audiences is because they're not allowed to HAVE audiences. Which I think is stupid too but that's not pertinant to this discussion. That is not a BLM issue.

NOW, if you want something that IS a BLM issue, lets take their viewership. MLB, NBA, NFL. Their viewership as a whole is tanking, hard. And it's not hard to figure out why. It's not enough that people aren't coming to the stadiums to watch; they can't. But no one is watching at home either, and why is that? Because when they turn on the basketball game, Black Lives Matter has been laquered across the court. When they turn on baseball, black lives matter is draped across half the billboards so it's in every shot. And then during the seventh inning stretch they all demonstrate by kneeling on the field instead of just getting back to the game since there isn't an audience there to need a break. And the NFL can't even begin the game without a kneeling ceremony, the "black" national anthem, and at least one testimony on how the US is such a racist and unequal country despite the fact that at least half the players on BOTH teams are black and make more moeny in one game than a dozen working class families. No one wants to turn into their hobby or their escape to be lectured, derided, blamed, insulted, and accused of racism for what can only be a distinction made on their race since over broadcast media you can't address anyone directly, you can only address them as a group. Specificly a white group. Or a middle class group. Or any broad group you can choose that basicly invalidates the entire premise of systemic oppression by using the broadcast system to try and guilt trip and oppress that group.

Oddly enough, that's the same arguement that was made here, when we logged onto a TRANSFORMERS site only to have it thrown in our face with wonderful people like DX coming out to basicly say Black Lives Matter and if you don't agree then **** you. Ain't it funny how everything is similarly entangled.

If you want to make a statement about sports and BLM, please do. But make the RIGHT statement.



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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Bioformer Grr » Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:44 pm

I want to tell a story. A story that I am sure all transformers fans already know. This is a story about a miner who was oppressed and forced to work for a fascist government. This miner escaped with his comrades and fought their way to the top of a gladiator arena, creating a movement, this movement gained a following and support from some in the higher class like a specific records clerk that we all know. This miner and this records clerk sought to bring an age of peace and equality and vowed to work together for the betterment of their kind.

However the miner began using more aggressive and even terroristic methods. And the minors movement of equality began to be a movement of destruction and terror. His longing for equality ceased being his driving force, and his movement allowed others to use this group turned army, into a bridge where they could gain power for themselves.

Seeing what the miner had become, the records clerk and the miner could no longer see eye to eye. And they broke ties. The records clerk became the leader of an army who ACTUALLY wanted peace.

And so began the war.

I know I generalized the story. And I know some details might be off. (Kinda of a fusion of idw, prime, and cyberverse.) but it’s funny, isn’t it how art imitates life, or life imitates art. How a movement claiming to fight for equality and peace, can become so twisted and lost in what they were fighting for in the first place.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby -Kanrabat- » Mon Aug 24, 2020 3:10 am

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Bioformer Grr, that was the PERFECT analogy.

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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby AcademyofDrX » Mon Aug 24, 2020 7:18 am

The complexity of race relations in America, the historical and ongoing oppression of people of color, and the violence of the state cannot be adequately represented by a comic book series based on forty year old children's toys. I love the series, I like most of the narratives, and I appreciate the basic morality, but it is not adequate for representing our modern reality. The IDW editorial and creative teams recently apologized for inadvertantly invoking Black Lives Matter for this very reason.

Moreover, Bioformer, you're getting several basic facts wrong. This didn't start over the death of the man. It didn't start over George Floyd or Eric Garner. The inciting incident was the murder of Trayvon Martin, which led to the name and the organization. But the broader cause started with centuries of racial bias that continues. I don't like what's been happening in Portland but it is not an indictment of Black Lives Matter and it does not invalidate it, and it sure as heck isn't "worse" than what BLM is fighting. ("Worse than the people they hate" is an insulting framing that tries to use the language of intolerance against a marginalized community rather than against white supremacists where it belongs.)

What this thread makes clear again and again is that there are people who care about racial justice and there are those that don't. If there is a common commitment to racial justice, than valuable discussion and disagreement is possible over the causes, solutions, and challenges to achieving racial justice. If there isn't common cause, then the debates are about ancillary topics and the disagreement is over basic facts like the existence of systemic inequality or basic morality like the inherent value of people regardless of their situation.

Invoking Optimus Prime isn't going to fool anyone into thinking you hold the moral high ground.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Notimus Crime » Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:49 am

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I'd like to add something here. The comics don't support this interpretation of Optimus Prime. Let's look to the IDW comic "The Death of Optimus Prime" (spoilers for a comic that's getting close to a decade old now, I guess).

Prime wakes up three weeks in the future, on a Cybertron that doesn't resemble the Cybertron he remembers. He finds his way to what he refers to as "...a shanty town, a bomb site, or a spaceport gone to seed..." but his GPS tells him is Iacon, which is now populated by unaffiliated Cybertronians who had fled the war (Labeled NAILs, Non-Affiliated Indigenous Lifeforms). Prime finds out that Vector Sigma had sent out a signal to all of them, telling them to come home. And when they came home they found Cybertron in ruins. And from there they saw the Autobots as symbols of the war that drove them away from and subsequently ravaged their home planet. Over the subsequent weeks tensions between the Autobots and the NAILs continuously grows, neither side willing to give any ground and the Autobots becoming something of an occupying force attempting to keep the NAILs in line. These tensions come to a boil when a massive group of protesters gather outside of the Autobot HQ. And eventually, a protester throws a power cell and
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Now we don't know if it was the NAILs who escalated this to violence or maybe one of the Autobots attempting to perform crowd control got a little carried away, all we're told by Sideswipe is that "It's escalating out here", and this is the first act of violence we see take place in the protest. As far as the audience and the Autobots who were holed up inside HQ are concerned, the protester throwing the power cell is the first act of violence at the protest. With the Autobots vastly outnumbered and the protest becoming more and more of a riot, Prowl decides he has no choice but to release their imprisoned Decepticons into the crowd as crowd control (They're inhibited from using their alt modes or built-in weapons, but c'mon they're Decepticons how do you think their attempt at crowd control is going to go). And from there the riot turns into a battlefield. So let's review what's happened here.
-The tensions between the Autobots and the NAILs have essentially become irreconcilable, with the Autobots seeing the demands of the NAILs as unreasonable (which to be fair they sort of are), and the NAILs seeing the Autobots as symbols of the war that drove them away from and ravaged their home planet for four million years.
-what was originally a peaceful protest has devolved into complete chaos and violence, with the protesters being the ones who fired first as far as the audience and the Autobots are concerned.
-The Autobots then escalate further by releasing what remains of the ruthless and violent Decepticons into the crowd in an attempt to regain control.
Now, what does Optimus Prime do? Does he condemn the protesters and instruct his Autobots to do everything they can to suppress them (ex giving the Decepticons access to the built in weaponry and alt modes back so they can more effectively control the crowd)? No. He calls out to the crowd. He asks them to listen to him, and he tells them that he is accountable to them. He acts not in the interest of the Autobots nor in the interest of the NAILs, But in the interests of the Cybertronian race itself. He recognizes himself as a symbol of the war the NAILs fled, and as an obstacle to peace. As such, he exiles himself from Cybertron in the hopes that it will decrease tensions enough for the NAILs and the Autobots to resolve the issue and perhaps even make peace.

Optimus did not view the concerns of the NAILs or their movement as invalid because they caused death and destruction in their frustration towards the Autobots. He recognized that simply employing more and more force in an effort to suppress the violent protesters would do nothing to acknowledge the underlying issue that led to this and would only inevitably lead to more violence. He did what was within his power to address the issue.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Bioformer Grr » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:40 pm

I’ll admit it, that Optimus prime question did seem a bit brash. I got so pumped up about that post and writing the story and went a little to far. For that I do apologize, Though I would like to point out that I did say I was generalizing the origin story of Optimus and Megatron, and my point still stands, what I was saying was that people that want to harm others will use any movement, that claims to be for the betterment of the world, and will use it as a means to do terrible things and they can use the excuse that it’s for the cause. But your experience will be different from mine, and your thoughts on the matter are just as valid. thanks for replying.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby -WonkoTheSane- » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:49 pm

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Bioformer Grr wrote:I want to tell a story. A story that I am sure all transformers fans already know. This is a story about a miner who was oppressed and forced to work for a fascist government. This miner escaped with his comrades and fought their way to the top of a gladiator arena, creating a movement, this movement gained a following and support from some in the higher class like a specific records clerk that we all know. This miner and this records clerk sought to bring an age of peace and equality and vowed to work together for the betterment of their kind.

However the miner began using more aggressive and even terroristic methods. And the minors movement of equality began to be a movement of destruction and terror. His longing for equality ceased being his driving force, and his movement allowed others to use this group turned army, into a bridge where they could gain power for themselves.

Seeing what the miner had become, the records clerk and the miner could no longer see eye to eye. And they broke ties. The records clerk became the leader of an army who ACTUALLY wanted peace.

And so began the war.

I know I generalized the story. And I know some details might be off. (Kinda of a fusion of idw, prime, and cyberverse.) but it’s funny, isn’t it how art imitates life, or life imitates art. How a movement claiming to fight for equality and peace, can become so twisted and lost in what they were fighting for that they become worse than the people they hate.

Excellent analogy. :rodimusstar:
I too noticed the parallels before.
The events surrounding IDW's Decepticons rise to power were actually (and purposefully) amalgams of various revolutions throughout history, Where the outcome (in basic terms) was the same.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby -Kanrabat- » Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:20 pm

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-WonkoTheSane- wrote:Excellent analogy. :rodimusstar:
I too noticed the parallels before.
The events surrounding IDW's Decepticons rise to power were actually (and purposefully) amalgams of various revolutions throughout history, Where the outcome (in basic terms) was the same.


Yup. "Power corrupt and absolute power corrupt absolutely."
We will keep repeating that same mistake over and over because it's part of our human nature.

Also, for the commenter before you, I just point out that "people of color are oppressed in America" is the oil that maintain the chains at the wrists and ankles of "minorities". Not surprised that when a colored ignore that belief, the chains are cast off and that person succeed. The "oppression" lie must stop. That lie IS white supremacy.
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby Burn » Mon Aug 24, 2020 5:10 pm

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-Kanrabat- wrote:Not surprised that when a colored

Is there any particular reason why you think it's okay for you to use such a racist term?
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Re: Black lives matter. 'Til all are one!

Postby -Kanrabat- » Mon Aug 24, 2020 6:05 pm

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Burn wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:Not surprised that when a colored

Is there any particular reason why you think it's okay for you to use such a racist term?


That's why I put it in italics. It IS a racist term. It's to mock the "liberal" white savior who are always talking about "people of colors" as if they are inferior. Also, "people of color". Ugh. Personally, I find that term as racist if not more disgustingly racist than colored people. When someone use "people of color" as a term, they are basically saying that white people are some sort of superior beings where any other variation of skin tone or even body shape is enough to become "the other".

For me, a colored person mean the exact same thing as person of color. Both terms are WHITE SUPREMACIST terms.

These white saviors who keep talking about "white privilege" and how the others are always "oppressed" and they need their help if those "poor" people can have any hope to acomplish anithing in life are white supremacists with a guilty conscience.

That's what Cadance Owen explain here:



I 100% agree with her.
I'm with the ones who ask people "WHO are you." Not "WHAT are you."

"Person of color."
Allow me to spit on the ground in disgust.



Oh, hilarious bonus fact. Guess WHO just put his full support unironically behind the Democrats? :lol:
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